Here is my problem with the Trubisky pick ......... LEADERSHIP

Starion said:

I'm hearing the same things, even from his coaching staff at UNC. Sounds like his quiet demeanor played into why he didn't take over there sooner. He didn't have that huge outspoken inspiring leadership edge yet.

That said, he's NOT a polarizing personality like Cutler. Really?

Hopefully with enough time to really win people over with great play, he will be confident enough to be a leader of men. I do worry that will bust IF put into action before he truly feels and shows that comfort command of the O & edge with the boys.

As said, could be like a Matt Ryan or Eli Manning? or more? TBD.



Competence breeds confidence. Not often the opposite direction.

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Starion said:

I'm hearing the same things, even from his coaching staff at UNC. Sounds like his quiet demeanor played into why he didn't take over there sooner. He didn't have that huge outspoken inspiring leadership edge yet.

That said, he's NOT a polarizing personality like Cutler. Really?

Hopefully with enough time to really win people over with great play, he will be confident enough to be a leader of men. I do worry that will bust IF put into action before he truly feels and shows that comfort command of the O & edge with the boys.

As said, could be like a Matt Ryan or Eli Manning? or more? TBD.



Competence breeds confidence. Not often the opposite direction.

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Rise said:

It all depends on how he performs on the field. Thats all that matters. Do you look at Eli Manning and think vocal, alpha dog leader? No you think even keeled, calm under pressure. If Trubisky is the same, a calming presence when the lights are brightest he will be fine. If he is quiet and shrinks under pressure he will fail. Same thing goes with the loudest, vocal alpha qb in the world.

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airtime143 said:

Although I despise eli manning and his dopey face.... solid point.

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Jawbreaker said:

Good level headed post here. Perhaps I was being overly broad by lumping him in with Cutler -- lumping the 2 quiet guys in together. That said, the signs of the lack of leadership in Trubs are pretty rampant. When it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... you get my point. And when I say, a "Jim McMahon" type... make no mistake, his men loved him! That O'line would have run through a brick wall for that guy. And yes, he is a Super Bowl Champion.

With enough talent around him, maybe a guy like Trubisky could skate through on mediocre leadership ability. But the cup is bare. We needed someone DYNAMIC enough to command excellence and get the most out this band of free agents, castoffs, and scrap heap players that make up this Bears team. Is Trubs that guy?? We shall see... but if we judge by track record, then that answer would be "no".

As I initially said, I hope that I am wrong.

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satchice said:

Serious question: How important is leadership in to a QB? I could see how it is important to a High school or even a NCAA QB, but I don’t think it is nearly as important to an NFL QB playing with professional athletes.

I don’t think anyone thinks Aaron Rodgers is a great leader, but he does elevate his teammates play with his skills. Ben Roethlisberger has also been called out by teammates for being a poor leader, but he elevates his team because of his skillset and he gives the Steelers a chance to win any game.

Drew Brees is probably one of the best leaders, but I think his success is due to his skills and the play calling. Russell Wilson is clearly a great leader, but it is the Seahawks D and running game that made them successful. Josh McCown and Charlie Batch are two of the best leaders and neither of them had much success in the NFL because of their skills.

Leadership in the pros is probably the only thing I value less then arm strength. Being an asshole or having a weak arm would affect someone tremendously, but the difference of a quiet guy an a vocal guy is minimal like the difference between a guy with good arm strength to a guy with great arm strength.

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Gustavus Adolphus said:

Some WR drafted in the 4th round doesn't care about leadership when he's in his contract year. He wants the QB to be able to throw him the ball so he can make plays to get paid.

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satchice said:

This is exactly my point, with the size of NFL contracts and every player playing for his next contract I don't think they give a crap about leadership! If it was me I would want the best player playing at every position so we maximize our stats and wins. I see in HS and college a leader is a good thing to get some guys motivated to give 100% on ever drive, because a lot of those guys have no plans of playing football on the next level and there is not much incentive.

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satchice said:

This is exactly my point, with the size of NFL contracts and every player playing for his next contract I don't think they give a crap about leadership! If it was me I would want the best player playing at every position so we maximize our stats and wins. I see in HS and college a leader is a good thing to get some guys motivated to give 100% on ever drive, because a lot of those guys have no plans of playing football on the next level and there is not much incentive.

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Gustavus Adolphus said:

It's professional football. If Josh Bellamy needs Mitchell Trubisky to be a leader to catch a football, then Bellamy has bigger problems.

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remydat said:

This is an oversimplification. A better leader prevents a guy like Lance Briggs or Brandon Marshall from destroying the locker room after Lovie was fired and Urlacher left.

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Jamais Vu said:

An alcoholic that spent more time on David Letterman than actually playing quarterback???

Pass.

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remydat said:

This is an oversimplification. A better leader prevents a guy like Lance Briggs or Brandon Marshall from destroying the locker room after Lovie was fired and Urlacher left.

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Jawbreaker said:

Great point. And WE ALL feel it when we go into work every day. We do our jobs because that is what we are paid to do -- but when we work for someone that who we truly believe in, someone who truly inspires us, even if is unconscious, we give that little something extra. And in the pros, that little something extra can be the difference between winning and losing.

Regardless of contracts, these are human beings. I don't care how old you are, a human being is never too old to be inspired.

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BearFanJohn said:

To the OP, I always get a little laugh when people bring up Jim McMahon. The guy had arguably one of the top 5 RBs, ever, to hand off to and, arguably, one of the top 5 defenses, ever, on the other side of the ball. Rex Grossman or Jay Cutler would have easily one Super Bowls with that supporting cast. One could argue that if Ditka valued, or evaluated, the QB position correctly the Bears might have won multiple SBs. Jim M. was a sunglasses wearing, fragile, over-rated (by a few) jerk.

This "Alpha Male/Dog" BS is just that. There are a ton of successful players, leaders, who aren't vocal. There are also a lot of players who are very vocal who most would like to see STFU. Eli Manning is a perfect example. Matt Ryan is another. It is way too early to judge Trubisky. McMahon on the other hand is a horrible example of anything you want your QB to be.

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The Hawk said:

Nope. IF it weren't for the over-the-top intentional cheap shot by the Packer asshole lineman, the Bears would have won probably three Super Bowls in a row with Jimbo over center. He was a true leader and very good quarterback. I wish Ditka would have kicked Forrest Gregg all over the field after he had his goon cripple McMahon. The 86 Bears team was an even greater team than the '85 team and was clearly headed to another Super Bowl win.

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