How a visit to Chapel Hill solidified the Bears' conviction in Mitch Trubisky

Starion · May 20, 2017

I recall hearing they worked him out beforehand too, but thought nothing of it since they also saw others.

Apparently a dinner is a bigger deal than a workout?

The point is the masked seriousness of their crazy high level of interest while it seemed to most of us to simply be doing their diligence, or at worst, seeing if the prospect may be what others wanted. Fooled us. Too many threads on that already. Thanks for posting this article. Good read.

Bearly · May 20, 2017

Adipost said:
On April 17th:

- Also on Monday, North Carolina QB Mitchell Trubisky confirmed on The Dan Patrick Show that the Bears were one of five teams to conduct a private workout with him. Others to work out Trubisky were the Cleveland Browns, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers and Buffalo Bills.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800446/article/bears-work-out-trubisky-reportedly-visit-with-mahomes%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3 Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%253Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%2 53Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%253Dcoll ege-football%253Bteam%253Dbuf%253Bteam%253Dclv%253Btea m%253Dchi%253Bconf%253Dafc%253Bconf%253Dnfc%253Bdv sn%253Dace%253Bdvsn%253Dacn%253Bdvsn%253Dncn%253Bp lyr%253Dmichael_glennon%253Bplyr%253Djameis_winsto n%26p.ct%3DCFB%2B24%252F7%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm %3D%2523ffffff%26p.bgc1m%3D%2523000000%26sr%3Damp

I remember that report as well, when he rattled of a bunch of teams. A few days later, it was no longer the case when he dropped the Bears from other interviews.

Here's the vid. You have to know that he realized that he fucked up, kept his cool and moved on. Still fucked up. A minute or so in.
[video=youtube;Quthzkmcqrg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quthzkmcqrg[/video]

Bearly · May 20, 2017

Starion said:
I recall hearing they worked him out beforehand too, but thought nothing of it since they also saw others.

Apparently a dinner is a bigger deal than a workout?

The point is the masked seriousness of their crazy high level of interest while it seemed to most of us to simply be doing their diligence, or at worst, seeing if the prospect may be what others wanted. Fooled us. Too many threads on that already. Thanks for posting this article. Good read.

I think the point was the high level of security when there was briefly blown by Mitchell and somehow he/we got away with it. At least he knew better than to try and correct it at the time or ask for an edit etc.

Bearly · May 20, 2017

remydat said:
Don't let facts ruin the narrative bro.

How's his elbow?

Wintermute · May 20, 2017

Adipost · May 20, 2017

Bearly said:
I remember that report as well, when he rattled of a bunch of teams. A few days later, it was no longer the case when he dropped the Bears from other interviews.

Here's the vid. You have to know that he realized that he fucked up, kept his cool and moved on. Still fucked up. A minute or so in.
[video=youtube;Quthzkmcqrg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quthzkmcqrg[/video]

I had actually convinced myself that the Bears were drafting Trubisky UNTIL the private meeting came out. My theory was that the Bears were purposely distancing themselves from Trubisky. So when the private workout was announced, my theory came into question. But then when Trubisky contradicted himself right before the draft, I thought something was up. And Chris Trapasso wins the award for best sources:

Chris Trapasso‏ @ChrisTrapasso

Source close to situation told me "#Bears have shown the most interest it Mitchell Trubisky." If #Browns want him, they have to pick him @ 1
2:55 PM · Apr 23, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/856235218679857153

Chris Trapasso‏ @ChrisTrapasso

Insinuation was that #49ers don't like Trubisky enough to pick him @ 2. If #Browns don't draft him @ 1 source expects #Bears to pick him @ 3
3:01 PM · Apr 23, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/856236580373233665

dentfan · May 20, 2017

Adipost said:
And Chris Trapasso wins the award for best sources:

Chris Trapasso‏ @ChrisTrapasso

Source close to situation told me "#Bears have shown the most interest it Mitchell Trubisky." If #Browns want him, they have to pick him @ 1
2:55 PM · Apr 23, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/856235218679857153

Chris Trapasso‏ @ChrisTrapasso

Insinuation was that #49ers don't like Trubisky enough to pick him @ 2. If #Browns don't draft him @ 1 source expects #Bears to pick him @ 3
3:01 PM · Apr 23, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/856236580373233665

This information and Jeremy Stoltz at Bear Report had me convinced that they were going to be going with Biscuit at 3. I didn't see the trade up coming, but I was all in on a QB in this draft and had agreed with Jeremy that Trubisky was the guy.

Bearly · May 20, 2017

Adipost said:
I had actually convinced myself that the Bears were drafting Trubisky UNTIL the private meeting came out. My theory was that the Bears were purposely distancing themselves from Trubisky. So when the private workout was announced, my theory came into question. But then when Trubisky contradicted himself right before the draft, I thought something was up. And Chris Trapasso wins the award for best sources:

Chris Trapasso‏ @ChrisTrapasso

Source close to situation told me "#Bears have shown the most interest it Mitchell Trubisky." If #Browns want him, they have to pick him @ 1
2:55 PM · Apr 23, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/856235218679857153

Chris Trapasso‏ @ChrisTrapasso

Insinuation was that #49ers don't like Trubisky enough to pick him @ 2. If #Browns don't draft him @ 1 source expects #Bears to pick him @ 3
3:01 PM · Apr 23, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/856236580373233665

It was out there but really, you have to give Pace credit. There is so much misdirection by this staff before the draft that you don't know what's planted, real or just a nonstarter. That combined with how much nonsense gets reported by guys wanting scoops and clicks during the silly season, it seemed like no one took strong notice beyond Gabriel who strongly suggested we take a QB. He probably had a source but promised to not spill the entire can of beans. Seemed the local connections were onto something that didn't make it to Philly.

The glennon signing helped a lot.

FoCo · May 20, 2017

The Broncos insider has been saying since December that the Bears were in love with trubisky. Every time they discussed when the 1st qb would be taken he would say Trubisky to the Bears and his other co hosts wouldn't believe it. They all thought Watson would be the 1st qb.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/84287-if-the-bears-pick-is-a-qb?p=2667549#post2667549

laputan · May 20, 2017

Mitch is so great, so many feel good stories.

Let's hope he doesn't make a start for a while so the dream lives on. Get our money's worth for 2 years.

remydat · May 20, 2017

Bearly said:
I think the point was the high level of security when there was briefly blown by Mitchell and somehow he/we got away with it. At least he knew better than to try and correct it at the time or ask for an edit etc.

We got away with it because of Glennon. It's not that no one knew the Bears were interested in these QBs. It was that for some odd reason the media and some Bears fans acted like Glennon rules out taking a QB at 3. There was a whole thread where people were arguing up and down that we wouldn't draft a QB at 3 because or Glennon.

Bearly said:
How's his elbow?

Well didn't see any of the rookie minicamp so I'm assuming he still has a ways to go to clean up his mechanics including his elbow/shoulder motion.

Midway Fields · May 20, 2017

Novak said:
Even though his name isn't Jimmy?

Can you request a name change to "Not Hometown Mitch"?

No gay boy

Josh2J · May 20, 2017

god this article gave me a chubby....I cant wait to see this kid hit the field.

Bearly · May 21, 2017

remydat said:
Well didn't see any of the rookie minicamp so I'm assuming he still has a ways to go to clean up his mechanics including his elbow/shoulder motion.

not

remydat · May 21, 2017

Bearly said:
not

[video=youtube;bigvlT64xc8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigvlT64xc8&t=18s[/video]

These are not things you clean up in one rookie minicamp. Just about every prospect has mechanical flaws that need cleaning up. One of the biggest things you have to decide as a coaching staff is what mechanical flaws you can live with and which ones you want him to focus on cleaning up. The windows in the NFL are a lot tighter than college and just because his mechanics were good enough for college doesn't mean he doesn't have anything to work on.

remydat · May 21, 2017

[video=youtube;vcGjrfHedis]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcGjrfHedis[/video]

And the video that explains why Trubisky's flaring elbow slows down his release to the point it's slower than the league average. If he fixes that flaw and it speeds up his release then he will be a better QB because it will get the ball to the WRs faster. And part of the reason Watson in the video was successful is that he has the quickest release which mitigates his slower velocity. Although his problem and why his velocity is down is because he throws flat footed.

So all these QBs have mechanical flaws so not sure why we should pretend they don't. You are the one that asked me about his elbow and I gave you legitimate reasons with support for why it's something he needs to work on. Not sure why that is an issue. It's like people don't want any legitimate discussion on Trubisky. They just want everyone to fawn over him.

xer0h0ur · May 21, 2017

remydat said:
[video=youtube;vcGjrfHedis]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcGjrfHedis[/video]

And the video that explains why Trubisky's flaring elbow slows down his release to the point it's slower than the league average. If he fixes that flaw and it speeds up his release then he will be a better QB because it will get the ball to the WRs faster. And part of the reason Watson in the video was successful is that he has the quickest release which mitigates his slower velocity. Although his problem and why his velocity is down is because he throws flat footed.

So all these QBs have mechanical flaws so not sure why we should pretend they don't. You are the one that asked me about his elbow and I gave you legitimate reasons with support for why it's something he needs to work on. Not sure why that is an issue. It's like people don't want any legitimate discussion on Trubisky. They just want everyone to fawn over him.

The question in my mind is, is it significant enough to be worth fucking with an accurate passer's throwing mechanic and potentially affecting his accuracy by changing it?

iueyedoc · May 21, 2017

remydat said:
And the video that explains why Trubisky's flaring elbow slows down his release to the point it's slower than the league average. If he fixes that flaw and it speeds up his release then he will be a better QB because it will get the ball to the WRs faster. And part of the reason Watson in the video was successful is that he has the quickest release which mitigates his slower velocity. Although his problem and why his velocity is down is because he throws flat footed.

This release time argument is moronic.

Here is an online stop watch: 0.060 aint shit. Try and stop it in 6/100ths of a second. Best I could do was 0.071. His ability to see the windows early and make accurate throws is infinitely more important than the difference of 0.06 seconds. Hence his 6 INT's to Watson's 17. If his mechanics get even better, great, but the vision and touch is an unteachable that he has in spades.

xer0h0ur · May 21, 2017

iueyedoc said:
This release time argument is moronic.

Here is an online stop watch 0.060 aint shit. Try and stop it in 6/100ths of a second. Best I could do was 0.071. His ability to see the windows early and make accurate throws is infinitely more important than the difference of 0.06 seconds. Hence his 6 INT's to Watson's 17. If his mechanics get even better, great, but the vision and touch is an unteachable that he has in spades.

Basically my sentiment on the matter. Why even risk affecting his accuracy by changing his throwing mechanic to shave off hundredths of a second. Its not like his throwing mechanic is grossly incorrect.

Bearly · May 21, 2017

xer0h0ur said:
The question in my mind is, is it significant enough to be worth fucking with an accurate passer's throwing mechanic and potentially affecting his accuracy by changing it?

Absolutely not and he can get it out quicker if he has to along with using varied arm angles which becomes difficult with a tight elbow. He's got a bit of a push throwing motion as well but I dance with who I brought to the dance.

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