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This goes out to all of the soldiers out there that have fought for our freedoms like Kellen Winslow
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I have always wondered instead of celebrating them once a year on Memorial Day and cheering for them for 10 seconds at Soldier Field perhaps all veterans should have

-Free Health Care for Life
-High Quality Mental Health Services for them and their immediate family
-Some sort of serious job transition program
 
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WindyCity said:
I have always wondered instead of celebrating them once a year on Memorial Day and cheering for them for 10 seconds at Soldier Field perhaps all veterans should have

-Free Health Care for Life
-High Quality Mental Health Services for them and their immediate family
-Some sort of serious job transition program
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WindyCity said:
I have always wondered instead of celebrating them once a year on Memorial Day and cheering for them for 10 seconds at Soldier Field perhaps all veterans should have

-Free Health Care for Life
-High Quality Mental Health Services for them and their immediate family
-Some sort of serious job transition program
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I'm not American so I probably shouldn't comment, particulalry on a football forum, but from afar, investment in US military personnel and their well-being always seems extremely underwhelming but investment in military equipment always strikes me as absurdly over the top. Certainly the Pentagon/Govt appears to be happy to spend a gazzilion on some futuristic bomb or misslile, which will do little to address the impact and threat of a lone bomber or a determined terrorist, but I see many veterans on the streets of American cities and countless stories of service personnel suffering through the debilitating effects of post traumatic stress disorder.

It's almost as if the profits of companies that manufacture ordnance are more important than the health of the people tasked with protecting the nation.
 
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WindyCity said:
I have always wondered instead of celebrating them once a year on Memorial Day and cheering for them for 10 seconds at Soldier Field perhaps all veterans should have

-Free Health Care for Life
-High Quality Mental Health Services for them and their immediate family
-Some sort of serious job transition program
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VA healthcare tries. Just falls a bit short. But it certainly could be fixed if the people in Washington were serious about fixing it
 
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KennyH said:
I'm not American so I probably shouldn't comment, particulalry on a football forum, but from afar, investment in US military personnel and their well-being always seems extremely underwhelming but investment in military equipment always strikes me as absurdly over the top. Certainly the Pentagon/Govt appears to be happy to spend a gazzilion on some futuristic bomb or misslile, which will do little to address the impact and threat of a lone bomber or a determined terrorist, but I see many veterans on the streets of American cities and countless stories of service personnel suffering through the debilitating effects of post traumatic stress disorder.

It's almost as if the profits of companies that manufacture ordnance are more important than the health of the people tasked with protecting the nation.
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I think it is an issue in a lot of countries.

I do not think there is a group of people who are more celebrated and then shuffled off stage and forgotten about. Memorial Day or Remembrance Day just makes it even more obvious.

The suicide rate for soldiers is beyond insane.
 

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WindyCity said:
I have always wondered instead of celebrating them once a year on Memorial Day and cheering for them for 10 seconds at Soldier Field perhaps all veterans should have

-Free Health Care for Life
-High Quality Mental Health Services for them and their immediate family
-Some sort of serious job transition program
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I think it is an issue in a lot of countries.

I do not think there is a group of people who are more celebrated and then shuffled off stage and forgotten about. Memorial Day or Remembrance Day just makes it even more obvious.

The suicide rate for soldiers is beyond insane.
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I would totally agree but I guess what makes it strange (for outsiders at least) is the level of celebration of military service in the US, which is far more pronounced than in many other countries, and the seeming lack of aftercare, and to some extent, what appears to be a level of indifference to the problems individuals and families face on return. That coupled with the sheer expenditure on military hardware makes it hard(er) to comprehend.

I've done a little bit of fundraising for the Erskine Foundation which supports ex service personnel in Scotland and there seems to be a slightly better support network available, alongside free national healthcare, though sadly under our current Government we appear to be following the US model of more money on weapons and less on the people involved - and also in a similar fashion much more hyping of memorial days as a celebration of military engagement rather than rememberance of sacrifice and an abhorrrance of war - which was certainly more the case when I was a kid.
 
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WindyCity said:
I have always wondered instead of celebrating them once a year on Memorial Day and cheering for them for 10 seconds at Soldier Field perhaps all veterans should have

-Free Health Care for Life
-High Quality Mental Health Services for them and their immediate family
-Some sort of serious job transition program
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The VA has a bad rep but is getting much better. Disabled vets do get free health care for life including mental health services. And veterans do get higher priority for government jobs. Also recently Trump extended a program that Obama started that would let veterans obtain health care from non VA doctors and clinics.
 
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The VA has a bad rep but is getting much better. Disabled vets do get free health care for life including mental health services. And veterans do get higher priority for government jobs. Also recently Trump extended a program that Obama started that would let veterans obtain health care from non VA doctors and clinics.
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This is only in emergencies or when you can not see your normal VA doctor for 30 days or more. The VA has done a fantastic job for me except in one area. They have no walk-in clinics or care. I got sick (pneumonia) and went to a VA clinic and they told me there was no one there that could help me because I did not have an appointment. I was sitting there with a 105 temp and was being told to go home and make an appointment. After nearly collapsing they had a doctor see me. They need to fix that aspect otherwise I am entirely satisfied with the care I have received.
 

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KennyH said:
I'm not American so I probably shouldn't comment, particulalry on a football forum, but from afar, investment in US military personnel and their well-being always seems extremely underwhelming but investment in military equipment always strikes me as absurdly over the top. Certainly the Pentagon/Govt appears to be happy to spend a gazzilion on some futuristic bomb or misslile, which will do little to address the impact and threat of a lone bomber or a determined terrorist, but I see many veterans on the streets of American cities and countless stories of service personnel suffering through the debilitating effects of post traumatic stress disorder.

It's almost as if the profits of companies that manufacture ordnance are more important than the health of the people tasked with protecting the nation.
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I am a disabled veteran who suffers from PTSD and I disagree with your statement about the Pentagon/Govt. not caring about those who served and were disabled. They spend a lot and from my experience with the VA out here(southern Ca.) has been good.

As I see it, many veterans do not know how much help is available for them from the VA and supporting agencies. Some also are embarrassed to admit that they are having psychological problems. Drug abuse and alcohol abuse compound their problems. There is certainly treatment available and it is good treatment. Its not perfect but nothing is.
 

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This is only in emergencies or when you can not see your normal VA doctor for 30 days or more. The VA has done a fantastic job for me except in one area. They have no walk-in clinics or care. I got sick (pneumonia) and went to a VA clinic and they told me there was no one there that could help me because I did not have an appointment. I was sitting there with a 105 temp and was being told to go home and make an appointment. After nearly collapsing they had a doctor see me. They need to fix that aspect otherwise I am entirely satisfied with the care I have received.
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Yeah. I guess you have to get to a hospital for walk-in care but I think that is the case with many non-VA organizations. I also have an HMO(Kaiser) and it is the same thing. They have local clinics but there is not emergency/walk-in care. Its a good idea to look into it though.
 
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I think it depends on the facility. I've gone to a clinic recently and it's ponderous, but maybe not as much as a hospital. All I wanted was a prescription for antibiotics and I think I sunk 5 hours into that.
 
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This goes out to all of the soldiers out there that have fought for our freedoms like Kellen Winslow
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In all fairness that is Kellen Winslow Jr. his dad seems like a good guy, the son is a shit head.


Back on topic.

In remembrance to those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for America. I hope that the Gold Star Families get the respect they deserve from our leaders, the loved ones they have lost should never be forgotten, regardless of race, color, or religion.
 
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I am a disabled veteran who suffers from PTSD and I disagree with your statement about the Pentagon/Govt. not caring about those who served and were disabled. They spend a lot and from my experience with the VA out here(southern Ca.) has been good.

As I see it, many veterans do not know how much help is available for them from the VA and supporting agencies. Some also are embarrassed to admit that they are having psychological problems. Drug abuse and alcohol abuse compound their problems. There is certainly treatment available and it is good treatment. Its not perfect but nothing is.
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I would agree with that - unless you have a chronic problem related to your service, many use their own healthcare. Let's face it, going to any medical doctor is a pain in the ass.
 
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KennyH said:
I'm not American so I probably shouldn't comment, particulalry on a football forum, but from afar, investment in US military personnel and their well-being always seems extremely underwhelming but investment in military equipment always strikes me as absurdly over the top.
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The US government is entirely run by and for corporate interest. There is no private profit from investing in people's well-being. There is an abundance of profit to be made from the war industry. It's as simple as that.

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It's almost as if the profits of companies that manufacture ordnance are more important than the health of the people tasked with protecting the nation.
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KennyH said:
I would totally agree but I guess what makes it strange (for outsiders at least) is the level of celebration of military service in the US, which is far more pronounced than in many other countries, and the seeming lack of aftercare, and to some extent, what appears to be a level of indifference to the problems individuals and families face on return.
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It's little different to the corporations who put ads on TV showing them partnerning with the United Way or some organization, helping kids in poor communities, waving the flag and talking about how much their true American company cares about American communities.

Until you find out that they ship most of their labor overseas for extra profit rather than paying American workers a living wage, and plant profits offshore to avoid paying taxes back into the American communities they claim to care about and who made it possible for them to succeed in the first place.
 
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The US government is entirely run by and for corporate interest. There is no private profit from investing in people's well-being. There is an abundance of profit to be made from the war industry. It's as simple as that.



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It's little different to the corporations who put ads on TV showing them partnerning with the United Way or some organization, helping kids in poor communities, waving the flag and talking about how much their true American company cares about American communities.

Until you find out that they ship most of their labor overseas for extra profit rather than paying American workers a living wage, and plant profits offshore to avoid paying taxes back into the American communities they claim to care about and who made it possible for them to succeed in the first place.
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