E3 2017

Ares · Jun 13, 2017

Omg a new Xbox One that is slightly better than other hardware and costs 500$.

Here's what Sony announced at E3 2017

Spider-Man for PS4's high-flying gameplay trailer debut
God of War release date set for early 2018
Call of Duty WWII has a new multiplayer trailer
Destiny 2 on Sony systems will include exclusive content
PSVR is in for a bunch of new games, including Elder Scrolls V Skyrim
Sony PlayLink brings mobile and console gaming together

Here's what Ubisoft announced at E3 2017

Far Cry 5 has TWO new trailers
Beyond Good and Evil 2 is finally happening
Skull & Bones is Ubisoft's 'ultimate pirate experience'
Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle is coming to Nintendo Switch
Assassin's Creed Origins is out on October 27

Here's what Bethesda announced at E3 2017

Nintendo Switch is getting its own Elder Scrolls: Skyrim
Wolfenstein II is official and it's releasing on October 27
The Evil Within 2 has an official reveal trailer and October 13 release date
Fallout 4 VR and DOOM VFR both release later this year

Here's what Microsoft announced at E3 2017

Xbox One X is the official name of Project Scorpio
Xbox One X price is $499 and it goes on sale November 7
Original Xbox games will be backwards compatible with the Xbox One family
Forza 7 launches on October 3 for Xbox One X, Xbox One and Windows 10
Crackdown 3 release date is November 7
Anthem release date is Fall 2018
Assassin's Creed Origins takes place in ancient Egypt

Here's what EA announced at E3 2017

First FIFA 18 gameplay trailer revealed
Star Wars Battlefront 2 multiplayer gameplay trailer is here!
Madden 18 gets its first-ever playable story mode
Need for Speed Payback clearly inspired by Fast & Furious
Anthem is a new game from the team behind Mass Effect

Crystallas · Jun 13, 2017

Creative Labs Paper Launches SoundBlasterX AE-5 cards at E3.
BTW, shitty card design. People who don't have trained ears are, as usual, saying it's a great sounding card. But they used a Sabre 32 DAC, which is really a junk DAC chip in most use cases with inflated specs. "Better than motherboard sound" is really not a high bar.

Ares · Jun 13, 2017

Crystallas said:
Creative Labs Paper Launches SoundBlasterX AE-5 cards at E3.
BTW, shitty card design. People who don't have trained ears are, as usual, saying it's a great sounding card. But they used a Sabre 32 DAC, which is really a junk DAC chip in most use cases with inflated specs. "Better than motherboard sound" is really not a high bar.

I've never had a sound card in any machine I've built in the last 15+ years.... I never saw the point and seemed like most people just left sound to the MOBO.

Is there really a reason not to just have integrated sound?

Novak · Jun 13, 2017

Sonys performance was absolutely abysmal.. they should honestly be ashamed.

Ares · Jun 13, 2017

Novak said:
Sonys performance was absolutely abysmal.. they should honestly be ashamed.

Why do you say that? I didn't see it... just reading highlights.

Was it ultra-cringe?

Novak · Jun 13, 2017

Ares said:
Why do you say that? I didn't see it... just reading highlights.

Was it ultra-cringe?

They just got blown out the water by Microsoft. It was laggy with graphical glitches. Cringy. The exclusives looked far worse. Wasn't nearly as clean of a performance.

It was just... bad. I don't know how else to describe it.

Ares · Jun 13, 2017

Novak said:
They just got blown out the water by Microsoft. It was laggy with graphical glitches. Cringy. The exclusives looked far worse. Wasn't nearly as clean of a performance.

It was just... bad. I don't know how else to describe it.

Like Kyle Long on twitch bad?

Novak · Jun 13, 2017

Ares said:
Like Kyle Long on twitch bad?

Sony made kyle long looks like a seasoned pro bowler on twitch, dawg.

RoseMVP1 · Jun 13, 2017

E3 was disappointing all around. I am excited for the One X, cool to finally see a release date.

Bethesda caught me by surprise. I'm a fan of evil within and wolfenstein, so it was awesome to see sequels announced. I didn't think evil within would ever get a sequel, so that was definitely a surprise.

Ares · Jun 13, 2017

RoseMVP1 said:
E3 was disappointing all around. I am excited for the One X, cool to finally see a release date.

Bethesda caught me by surprise. I'm a fan of evil within and wolfenstein, so it was awesome to see sequels announced. I didn't think evil within would ever get a sequel, so that was definitely a surprise.

E3 just started yesterday... we may have alot more interesting news about game releases.

Crystallas · Jun 13, 2017

Ares said:
I've never had a sound card in any machine I've built in the last 15+ years.... I never saw the point and seemed like most people just left sound to the MOBO.

Is there really a reason not to just have integrated sound?

If your ears aren't trained, don't bother because it becomes a pricey rabbit hole. Like anything with sensory perception, once you notice the details, it's hard to un-notice when they go missing.

Monsieur Tirets · Jun 13, 2017

it really doesnt matter how bad sony looks at e3 compared to ms, ms will remain in 2nd place because sony will continue to be the go to console. winning e3 is like winning the offseason. the scorpios(or Xs) additional horsepower(its still essentially rx 480/580 territory just like the pro) isnt going to allow for much better performance than the pro. and in the end its games that matter anyway, and sony will always have the games. if i was going to buy a console itd be a ps4, despite having not owned a sony console since the ps1(though my brother in law did just give me a ps3) while i bought both an original xbox and a 360 at launch.

with that said, i dont give a damn about either console and have little interest in owning either.

as for on board audio, my old pcs when i was young had sound cards and even maybe my last dell from around 2006... im not sure. lol but recently ive just gone with the on board audio, first on the asrock z170 board i had and now on the asus z270 board i have, and i can say new on board audio is far better than old add in cards and the sound on my asus board is noticeably better than the sound on my asrock board(which wasnt bad). but as crys mentioned, people seem to say that unless you have really keen ears or work in sound design theres really little need for third party cards nowadays since chances are you wont be able to tell the difference.

Unannounced Fart · Jun 14, 2017

So how does Xbox one x specs stack up against today's GPU's? 980 level? Better, worse?

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Crystallas · Jun 14, 2017

Unannounced Fart said:
So how does Xbox one x specs stack up against today's GPU's? 980 level? Better, worse?

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It's a Radeon 580 base without OS overheads. So essentially a 1070.

Xuder O'Clam · Jun 14, 2017

Crystallas said:
Creative Labs Paper Launches SoundBlasterX AE-5 cards at E3.
BTW, shitty card design. People who don't have trained ears are, as usual, saying it's a great sounding card. But they used a Sabre 32 DAC, which is really a junk DAC chip in most use cases with inflated specs. "Better than motherboard sound" is really not a high bar.

What DAC chips do you recommend?

Crystallas · Jun 14, 2017

Xuder O'Clam said:
What DAC chips do you recommend?

Depends for what. But in this case (and in many) the Sabre-32s seems to have a rivalry with TI/burr brown DACs for headphone users(like myself). And I do prefer TI chips. PCM17/51 have been around for as long (Sabre32 is not that new), pending design are still fantastic, better realtime SnR and superior signal range high and low. Even Cirrus Logic's 24bit DACs have slightly better real world signal IMO.

If cost was an issue, they could have done what a lot of audio tech+hackers have been doing for the last 5+ years. Pair a good DAC card with STM 72xx amp chips on each channel, and the SBX AE-5 specs go out the window.

Plus, my other big gripe, WTF do users who setup an HTPC/Kodi/Steam box do? The AE-5 is locked into windows, no linux drivers. Even if they did wake up to 2017 reality, their track record for Windows drivers haven't been particularly good, and the linux drivers for old hardware barely support any features making them worth owning. This is not the Creative Labs of the early 90s that married high end with low cost. This is a company that half-asses things, then tries to claim it's latest and greatest tech.

edit* And not to be 100% a slam on Creative Labs. I'm sure for a lot of users, this will be a nice upgrade. Not sure if I believe the card will be very reliable, but if you're lucky, you'll be happy with it.

Xuder O'Clam · Jun 14, 2017

Crystallas said:
Depends for what. But in this case (and in many) the Sabre-32s seems to have a rivalry with TI/burr brown DACs for headphone users(like myself). And I do prefer TI chips. PCM17/51 have been around for as long (Sabre32 is not that new), pending design are still fantastic, better realtime SnR and superior signal range high and low. Even Cirrus Logic's 24bit DACs have slightly better real world signal IMO.

If cost was an issue, they could have done what a lot of audio tech+hackers have been doing for the last 5+ years. Pair a good DAC card with STM 72xx amp chips on each channel, and the SBX AE-5 specs go out the window.

Plus, my other big gripe, WTF do users who setup an HTPC/Kodi/Steam box do? The AE-5 is locked into windows, no linux drivers. Even if they did wake up to 2017 reality, their track record for Windows drivers haven't been particularly good, and the linux drivers for old hardware barely support any features making them worth owning. This is not the Creative Labs of the early 90s that married high end with low cost. This is a company that half-asses things, then tries to claim it's latest and greatest tech.

edit* And not to be 100% a slam on Creative Labs. I'm sure for a lot of users, this will be a nice upgrade. Not sure if I believe the card will be very reliable, but if you're lucky, you'll be happy with it.

I'm looking at the Nad D 3020. I think it uses the Cirrus Logic CS4398, and Hypex D amp. I like the size, and the features. Perfect for what I want, and the sound seems better than a lot of other staright headphone amps sound, but I can hook 4-8ohm speakers to this amp which is what I'm looking for.

Crystallas · Jun 14, 2017

Nad D 3020 uses a LME49860 for the opamp. The DAC is okay, but the opamp is really what is going to do most of the work. My issue/OCD with amps, is that I've been making my own for 30+ years now, so I'm really bad with consumer knowledge. Also why I'm talking about very specific ICs rather than brands and models.

But from a teardown I was able to find, it does look like a good amp for the price. Unless they're counterfeit , good cap selection and nice solid resistors. PCB has gold plated traces for signal carrying pathways, which is always a nice touch (but a placebo because epoxy on non-insertion components is cheaper and as good/better.)

Also, bear in mind, this is just a first impression. I don't have one in hand to know.

Xuder O'Clam · Jun 14, 2017

Crystallas said:
Nad D 3020 uses a LME49860 for the opamp. The DAC is okay, but the opamp is really what is going to do most of the work. My issue/OCD with amps, is that I've been making my own for 30+ years now, so I'm really bad with consumer knowledge. Also why I'm talking about very specific ICs rather than brands and models.

But from a teardown I was able to find, it does look like a good amp for the price. Unless they're counterfeit , good cap selection and nice solid resistors. PCB has gold plated traces for signal carrying pathways, which is always a nice touch (but a placebo because epoxy on non-insertion components is cheaper and as good/better.)

Also, bear in mind, this is just a first impression. I don't have one in hand to know.

I'm impressed by the sound. And for an amp rated at 30 watts, it has a lot more room than that, and zero distortion noticeable at high volume on large 4 ohm speakers. A lot of glowing reviews made me skeptical, but listening is the only test, and for me it passes quite nicely. And for $500 CAD, it looks like a bargain I just can't refuse. The features are ideal for me, and the sound has sold me.

Will be a fun weekend. Cheers.

And sorry Ares for hijacking.

Anyone ever attend one of these expos? I went to a couple of Computex expos a little over a decade ago, and those things are crazy, and very hard to take in in just a day or two. I miss the gaming and rig days sometimes, but for some reason I just can't get into gaming anymore.

ijustposthere · Jun 15, 2017

Not enough game trailers in this thread. I own a PS4, so yeah, it's PS centric:

[video=youtube;gOE2BVRCUkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOE2BVRCUkM[/video]

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