Jay Cutler > Ryan Tannehill

predict Cutler's season in Miami


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People are making Ryan Tannehill out to be some great QB that the Dolphins will have a hard time replacing.

Before his injury, Tannehill was nothing more than a very average QB, who had limited ability to make deep plays downfield and with a penchant for accumulating tons of sacks.

Before his injury, Miami fans were starting to lose patience with him and were disappointed he hadnt improved under Adam Gase.

Jay Cutler's 2015 season with Adam Gase is better than any season Tannehill has had.

If Gase could get that same production from Cutler this season, that would be an upgrade over Tannehill.
 

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People are making Ryan Tannehill out to be some great QB that the Dolphins will have a hard time replacing.

Before his injury, Tannehill was nothing more than a very average QB, who had limited ability to make deep plays downfield and with a penchant for accumulating tons of sacks.

Before his injury, Miami fans were starting to lose patience with him and were disappointed he hadnt improved under Adam Gase.

Jay Cutler's 2015 season with Adam Gase is far better than any season Tannehill has had.

If Gase could get that same production from Cutler this season, that would be an upgrade over Tannehill.


LOFL.

This is only true if you ignore stats and the eye test.

By my count, he had at least 2 seasons better than jay's "best year". Arguably 3.


Very sloppy for your 2nd post.

Do better.
 

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I think the more relevant discussion is, whose wife is more attractive?
 

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When I was watching the game from the Redit stream in the chat box all of the others were saying Cutler is the better QB.. He has a much better long ball. WIth TE Julius Thomas in Gase's system and Parker , who is basically a faster Jeffery, think Jay will have his best year. I even think Ajayi give Cutler something he hasn't had. This is probally the best team Jay has been on. The Oline is a wildcard though. They need to get the Guards playing better.
 

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Here is a little cheat sheet for you guys that let your emotions influence you evaluations

Cutler>Tannehill>Hoyer>Glennon
 

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Here is a little cheat sheet for you guys that let your emotions influence you evaluations

Cutler>Tannehill>Hoyer>Glennon

Lol, why are you sticking up for Cutler?
 

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So people actually believe that Cutler is gonna throw for over 4000 yards, 27 TD's, and under 12 INT's behind a God awful offensive line coming out of retirement??? I'll take that bet!

Only three quarterbacks had a higher overall accuracy percentage than Tannehill last year, Sam Bradford, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. His numbers aren’t warped by a reliance on shorter throws either. Tannehill was the third-most accurate passer on throws that didn’t travel further than five yards downfield and the eighth-best passer on throws that travelled further than five yards downfield.

Tannehill’s 78.26 percent rating on throws to the 16-20 yard range is notable for a couple reasons.

Firstly, he is only slightly less accurate to that area of the field than Carson Wentz is on throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage. That’s outrageous. Secondly, 22.38 percent (12th in the league) of Tannehill’s throws went into the 11-20 yard range last year. He allows the offense to attack the intermediate level of the defense on a consistent basis.

Intermediate routes are the biggest challenge for quarterbacks to live off of because there is a higher likelihood that a defender is waiting just out of sight to break on the ball before it reaches the intended target. Tannehill being top 10 in accuracy behind the line of scrimmage, in the 1-5 yard range, at one of the intermediate levels and on deep throws means that the defense is being picked apart at every level of the field.

Opposing teams can’t squash the field or sit on routes against Tannehill. They also can’t sit back in coverage and hope for him to miss the easier throws underneath. He keeps the whole field in play on every snap.

Part of the reason Tannehill’s numbers have never reflected his accuracy has been the state of his receiving corps. Unless Davante Parker takes a big step forward the Dolphins won’t have a receiving corps that can carry a subpar starting quarterback. They’re more likely to pull him down with their inconsistency. Tannehill has led the league in interceptions that weren’t his fault in each of the past two seasons. His receivers have been a big part of that.

Turning the ball over isn’t something Tannehill has been prone to over the course of his career. Even while playing under constant pressure and creating big-play opportunities for his teammates, Tannehill has consistently avoided interceptable passes.

Last year he threw an interceptable pass once every 25.93 attempts. That means 3.86 percent of his passes were interceptable, the same number as Drew Brees. Only 12 quarterbacks had a better interceptable pass rate than Tannehill and he was more than two attempts higher than the league average of 23.76 attempts.

These numbers aren’t coming in a system that babies the quarterback. Tannehill has played in three systems in his career. Adam Gase asked him to throw less often because of Jay Ajayi’s emergence and because the previous regime was incomprehensibly put off by running the ball. Throwing the ball less often doesn’t mean a reduced role. Throwing 20 passes to the line of scrimmage each game results in more attempts but less responsibility.

In Gase’s offense, Tannehill threw the ball further than 10 yards downfield 32.58 percent of the time, 17th out of 33 charted quarterbacks. That’s a good spot to be in to create a balanced passing attack.

Without Tannehill the Dolphins would likely become even more reliant on screens. If there’s one legitimate criticism of Gase it’s that he’s overly committed to throwing screen passes. 13.62 percent of Tannehill’s passes were screens last year, second-highest rate in the NFL, but only 8.01 percent of his yards came on screens, 18th-best in the NFL. If the Dolphins became an offense that was reliant on Jay Ajayi and their receivers they wouldn’t win many games.
 

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So people actually believe that Cutler is gonna throw for over 4000 yards, 27 TD's, and under 12 INT's behind a God awful offensive line coming out of retirement??? I'll take that bet!

Wait a minute Cutlers best year was
3659 yards 21TD 1I INT 92.3 Rate

Their Offensive line is
LT Tunsil LG Ted Larsen C Pouncy RG Bushrod RT J James

THat is a lot better then what jay had for the majority of the time with the Bears. I'm not saying it is top 5 or even top 10 but at least a top 20. It all depends on Tunsil takeing the next step and Pouncy and Busrods health... Plus then also added the Best blocking TE from 2016..
 

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Wait a minute Cutlers best year was
3659 yards 21TD 1I INT 92.3 Rate

Their Offensive line is
LT Tunsil LG Ted Larsen C Pouncy RG Bushrod RT J James

THat is a lot better then what jay had for the majority of the time with the Bears. I'm not saying it is top 5 or even top 10 but at least a top 20. It all depends on Tunsil takeing the next step and Pouncy and Busrods health... Plus then also added the Best blocking TE from 2016..

Larsen is on IR. James is injured. Here is a good read on Tannehill...

http://presnapreads.com/2017/08/03/the-miami-dolphins-couldnt-replace-ryan-tannehill/
 

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The Dolphins line is horrible. Jay's last pass where he was rushed and overthrew the screen to the RB was one of the worst missed blocks I have ever seen. You could tell Jay was like WTF was that. He still should have been able to hit the screen though.
 

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The Dolphins line is horrible. Jay's last pass where he was rushed and overthrew the screen to the RB was one of the worst missed blocks I have ever seen. You could tell Jay was like WTF was that. He still should have been able to hit the screen though.

That's why they pulled Cutler and Moore so quickly.
 

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tannehill has had a season far better than any jay as had or ever will have. unlike jay tannehil as displayed his "potential" and can still peak.
 
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