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    Epstein was looking to draft him over Happ before Redsox grabbed him

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    Why would the Red Sox trade him for our Dave Kingman (without his plate discipline) clone?
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    Free Agent Rumors: Holland, Bruce, LoMo, Hosmer, Morrow, IchiroNovember 9th, 2017 at 4:22pm CST •*By*Steve Adams

    Though*Greg Holland*turned down his $15MM player option and will also reject his $17.4MM qualifying offer, it’s not yet a foregone conclusion that his Denver days are in the past,*writes FanRag’s Jon Heyman. The*Rockies*“believe that Holland is the right leader” for their young pitching staff and will seek to re-sign him to a more lucrative multi-year offer, per Heyman. They will, of course, face a fair bit of competition in that pursuit. Heyman lists the*Cubs*and*Cardinals*as teams that will possibly be in the market for Holland this offseason as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Omeletpants View Post
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    Why would the Red Sox trade him for our Dave Kingman (without his plate discipline) clone?
    Maybe you need to look at who he is keeping off the field.

    Theo keeps saying position player depth. Why would you replace the top guy at the position? Russels depth is Baez, and Russell would go first. Happ is Zobrists depth at second if Baez is at short.

    Sorry, but this all sounds like panic to me. You have a core of players that are still the best players we might be able to get.
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    Too far in left field

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    Why zig when you can Zag

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    Why would the Red Sox trade him for our Dave Kingman (without his plate discipline) clone?
    He can play CF....

    They trade Schwarbs Almora or Heyward for pitching, their going to need replacements

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
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    He can play CF....

    They trade Schwarbs Almora or Heyward for pitching, their going to need replacements

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    You missed the point. Why would the red sox give up Benedetti for Schwarber?
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    You missed the point. Why would the red sox give up Benedetti for Schwarber?
    Who says they want Schwarber?

    Article just says Epstein willing to ship players and Schwarber could be that guy...

    Their not suggesting he shipped in that deal, just in a deal..

    Which as i stated above..
    If they use Schwarbs etc in a deal to get pitching then their gonna need to bring in a replacement ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
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    Who says they want Schwarber?

    Article just says Epstein willing to ship players and Schwarber could be that guy...

    Their not suggesting he shipped in that deal, just in a deal..

    Which as i stated above..
    If they use Schwarbs etc in a deal to get pitching then their gonna need to bring in a replacement ..

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    The article suggests a Bennedetti for Schwarber trade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omeletpants View Post
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    The article suggests a Bennedetti for Schwarber trade
    Ummm. No it doesnt


    Epstein has made it clear he'd be open to shipping one of his stud sluggers.*Many believe Kyle Schwarber could be the slugger to be on his way out, should a trade be made.


    Their saying if he makes A TRADE....
    Schwarber could be the guy on way out as the "stud slugger" he open to ship out

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    If this rumor has legs the Red Sox want power. So it would likely mean Schwarber and with Happ or Baez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
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    If this rumor has legs the Red Sox want power. So it would likely mean Schwarber and with Happ or Baez.
    And those two would get them a ticket to the game. No chance Andrew goes for that. Andrew would need Rizzo to get the talks started.
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    Love it when rumor dedicated sites open a can of fluff. Maybe Kaplin can start writing for them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
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    If this rumor has legs the Red Sox want power. So it would likely mean Schwarber and with Happ or Baez.
    The kid hit 20 homers and 90 rbi's. Isnt that considered power anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    And those two would get them a ticket to the game. No chance Andrew goes for that. Andrew would need Rizzo to get the talks started.
    Not so sure, Benitendi only had a war that matched Baez. I actually think the Red Sox would have to send another top 20 prospect back to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    Love it when rumor dedicated sites open a can of fluff. Maybe Kaplin can start writing for them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
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    Not so sure, Benitendi only had a war that matched Baez. I actually think the Red Sox would have to send another top 20 prospect back to us.
    Top 20 on team to do Rizzo for Andrew or Baez for Andrew?
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    Top 20 on team to do Rizzo for Andrew or Baez for Andrew?
    C'mon. Rizzo for Benintendi is silly. In 776 PA we have no idea what he's going to be any more than we know what Schwarber is going to be after 764. In fact in almost identical PA Schwarber has a 112 wRC+ to Benintendi's 106 with almost identical wOBA of .336 and .333 respectively. Benintendi only produced .7 WAR more than Schwarber in 180 more PA in 2017. Rizzo is a proven veteran who dwarfs both players.. It's not even close to going to happen but a Benintendi/Schwarber swap would be nearly even despite what folks here might like to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    Top 20 on team to do Rizzo for Andrew or Baez for Andrew?
    If we are trading Schwarber who has similar WAR and either Baez or Happ, then it is Boston who has to sweeten the pot (a top 20 prospect). Starting with Rizzo is downright nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC in Mississippi View Post
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    It's not even close to going to happen but a Benintendi/Schwarber swap would be nearly even despite what folks here might like to think.
    What? Maybe you missed the defensive side of this equation. Schwarber is a butcher in LF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omeletpants View Post
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    What? Maybe you missed the defensive side of this equation. Schwarber is a butcher in LF
    Actually he is not. He's just below average. WAR includes defensive statistics. He does make some terrible plays and his range is not great but his defensive deficiencies are way overblown. Plus Schwarber's ceiling as a run producer is substantially higher. I love both players and there are pluses and minuses to each.

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