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    Depends on his training method. Looks like he is going heavy cardio with fast twitch drills. That adds to movement and reaction speed. It really is not power lifting as he looked like before. Most likely from his football days.

    Just on raw power he should loose power but his hand eye/reaction speed should improve.

    Honest prediction is SO % major drop to 20%
    BB should stick around 12%. That bit shouldn’t change.

    Big change should be OBA increase and SLG decrease. More gap power and able to hit to LF easier with out the extra mass to push.

    But in raw power I just don’t see these 450 bombs happening which is perfectly fine if he becomes a prototypical lead off
    Are you insane!?!?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    Are you insane!?!?!?!
    No. His SO/BB have been pretty much 20/12 up until he hit the majors. They imploded but this is common with players entering the league. SOís will normalize naturally anyways. BB honestly doesnít change. Players tend to be agressive or passive in their approach and BB% is the indicator.

    Now if you are talking about him leading off?

    Well he wanted to be that guy and honestly he just transformed his body in less than 2 months. Iím pretty sure right now if he sets his mind to something he will do it after seeing those results in that span of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    No. His SO/BB have been pretty much 20/12 up until he hit the majors. They imploded but this is common with players entering the league. SO’s will normalize naturally anyways. BB honestly doesn’t change. Players tend to be agressive or passive in their approach and BB% is the indicator.

    Now if you are talking about him leading off?

    Well he wanted to be that guy and honestly he just transformed his body in less than 2 months. I’m pretty sure right now if he sets his mind to something he will do it after seeing those results in that span of time.
    Joe was insane trying it before. He whiffs way too much and even in his new shape will never be a good base runner. He'll never be a leadoff man no matter where "Crazy Joe" bats him.
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    Joe was insane trying it before. He whiffs way too much and even in his new shape will never be a good base runner. He'll never be a leadoff man no matter where "Crazy Joe" bats him.
    He was a good base runner already.

    Early reports pre injury

    http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballp...xtraordinaire/


    He is not dumb on the bases.

    It most likely will come down to if he is able to improve his first step reactions and his max acceleration. He has already shown he has a high BB IQ

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    He was a good base runner already.

    Early reports pre injury

    http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballp...xtraordinaire/


    He is not dumb on the bases.

    It most likely will come down to if he is able to improve his first step reactions and his max acceleration. He has already shown he has a high BB IQ
    Not doubting his intelligence, but you need more to be good and the article mentions it could be very fluky which my eye test agrees with. Given his range in the OF, sorry, he's not good on the basepaths.
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    Not doubting his intelligence, but you need more to be good and the article mentions it could be very fluky which my eye test agrees with. Given his range in the OF, sorry, he's not good on the basepaths.
    So you are saying a person is stuck in a box and any type of physical training will not affect the bottom line?

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    Not doubting his intelligence, but you need more to be good and the article mentions it could be very fluky which my eye test agrees with. Given his range in the OF, sorry, he's not good on the basepaths.
    That makes no sense.

    Albert Pujols was good on the basepaths. And he's no speedster.

    Speed is nice, but that is not the only quality of a good baserunner.

    Does that mean Schwarber is an ideal leadoff ma? No. I am not saying he is.

    But range in the OF does not preclude someone from being "good on the basepaths".

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    That makes no sense.

    Albert Pujols was good on the basepaths. And he's no speedster.

    Speed is nice, but that is not the only quality of a good baserunner.

    Does that mean Schwarber is an ideal leadoff ma? No. I am not saying he is.

    But range in the OF does not preclude someone from being "good on the basepaths".
    It's evidence there of. Making smart moves does not make one good on the base paths. And besides, it was said to be a leadoff guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    It's evidence there of. Making smart moves does not make one good on the base paths. And besides, it was said to be a leadoff guy.
    SB are so 80ís

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    SB are so 80’s
    who said otherwise?

    but for the record, give me the Rock over the Babe any day of the week
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    It's evidence there of. Making smart moves does not make one good on the base paths. And besides, it was said to be a leadoff guy.
    Joey Gallo was the 14th most valuable base runner last year and he's an awful defender. Paul Goldschmidt was the 28th best baserunner and he was a 1B.

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    Joey Gallo was the 14th most valuable base runner last year and he's an awful defender. Paul Goldschmidt was the 28th best baserunner and he was a 1B.
    Yes because speed is so needed to play corner infield positions
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    who said otherwise?

    but for the record, give me the Rock over the Babe any day of the week
    So you're saying there are times you wouldn't take the best hitter in the history of the sport because you care about speed? There has and will never be an offense in baseball that will score more runs with Tim Raines than Babe Ruth.

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    Yes because speed is so needed to play corner infield positions
    Gallo is primarily a OF but good call on "Bad fielders can't be good baserunners".

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    So you're saying there are times you wouldn't take the best hitter in the history of the sport because you care about speed? There has and will never be an offense in baseball that will score more runs with Tim Raines than Babe Ruth.
    Are you ignoring Kyle's nickname?
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    Gallo is primarily a OF but good call on "Bad fielders can't be good baserunners".
    Yes 125 games at the corners last year makes him primarily an OF. Nice call!
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    A) don't think Schwarber is really going to lead off. Seems like he's been best in the 2 hole with Bryant and Rizzo after him.

    B) don't think speed is particularly important out of a lead off guy. The cubs barely ran at all last year and teams in general don't run much. On base is much more important to them which given Schwarber's struggles there last year may be a concern of itself batting him lead off.

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    A) don't think Schwarber is really going to lead off. Seems like he's been best in the 2 hole with Bryant and Rizzo after him.

    B) don't think speed is particularly important out of a lead off guy. The cubs barely ran at all last year and teams in general don't run much. On base is much more important to them which given Schwarber's struggles there last year may be a concern of itself batting him lead off.
    Speed is a whole lot more than stealing. For a leadoff guy that means1st to 3rd, scoring from 2nd, scoring on ground balls and sac flies, etc.

    BTW, for the record, I am not pushing for Schwarber to lead off. I just say poor D in LF does not mean poor baserunning.

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    Speed is a whole lot more than stealing. For a leadoff guy that means1st to 3rd, scoring from 2nd, scoring on ground balls and sac flies, etc.

    BTW, for the record, I am not pushing for Schwarber to lead off. I just say poor D in LF does not mean poor baserunning.
    I mean most players in the league can reasonably go 1st to 3rd on a single. Sure faster would be better but i mean i don't really see having speed in the lead off being any more or less valuable than speed in the 5 hole. Unless you are going to play a small ball bunt/sb type team it's fairly irrelevant.

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    The Mariners have struck a deal with the Marlins to acquire second baseman Dee Gordon, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link). The return is not known at this point.
    Weird move. Not sure where they are going with this. Would seem that likely pushes the idea of Ohtani DHing for them out. Apparently Gordon is going to play CF but that seems weird.

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    So you are saying a person is stuck in a box and any type of physical training will not affect the bottom line?
    At his age you won't see a dramatic increase in 60 times.

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