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    McDaniels or Patricia if they go somewhere? Not sure who would be a good fit here.

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    #3 is where you're markedly off base. Bears didn't just turn over the vast majority of their roster. They turned over an astounding majority of their roster. As I previously mentioned only 4 Bears draft picks remain pre-Pace.
    What if I told you the Bears have 19 players on this team from Fox's first year in 2015 (includes IR players like Meredith who hasn't played this year) and the best team in the NFC, the Philadelphia Eagles have 16 from the 2015 roster?

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    I really value what Hoge and Jahns say and both have been pretty adamant that Fox is not gone.

    Add that to the more blow hard guys like bernstien, Mulligan and Haugh also backing off and I think the tea leaves are breaking that direction.

    The schedule also gets way easier, 8-8 is legitimately in the sites, and Trubisky will show improvement because the defense we will play are going to be bad.
    If that is indeed the case, 2019 will 100% be a make or break year for Ryan Pace. Fox doesn't lead the team to the playoffs, his contracts up, not retained, no chance they let a GM with 1 year left hire a HC to a 4 year deal.

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    I think we can all agree (or should agree) that no matter what anyone says in the media, or on here, no one really has a clue what the fuck Pace is thinking. If people haven't figured out after this years draft that Pace knows how to keep a secret then they're idiots.
    Exactly. These are the same media people who said Pace wouldn't draft a QB early because of Mike Glennon. Pace hasn't let anything leak in 3 years, he's not going to start now.

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    yea, people seem to be forgetting the paces job security and the role itll play regarding what happens with fox. Fox is 63 years old its win now for him, he doesnt have another contract left in him. so, if the team doesnt have some big time success(a playoff win) very soon, pace is likely gone with fox after next season. it makes much more sense to move on from fox, who has maybe a year or two left tops regardless, and bring in a new hc. that way he buys himself a few years allowing trubs to develop(which again isnt happening under fox). in the end its in paces best interest to bring a new coach in after the season.

    maybe instead of firing fox they allow him to go out with some dignity, retiring after the season?

    i just dont see anyway bringing him back next year as a lame duck makes sense. it doesnt. and extending him makes even less sense. i really cant imagine pace not wanting to bring in a young offensive mind to help bring trubs along.

    people were also sure lovie was safe after the 10-6 season. but fox has been much shittier than lovie ever was. hes a lesser version of lovie.

    lol this fucking team.

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    The McCaskeys still own this team, and Ted Phillips sweaty, doofus ass is sstill employed here as well
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    yea, people seem to be forgetting the paces job security and the role itll play regarding what happens with fox. Fox is 63 years old its win now for him, he doesnt have another contract left in him. so, if the team doesnt have some big time success(a playoff win) very soon, pace is likely gone with fox after next season. it makes much more sense to move on from fox, who has maybe a year or two left tops regardless, and bring in a new hc. that way he buys himself a few years allowing trubs to develop(which again isnt happening under fox). in the end its in paces best interest to bring a new coach in after the season.

    maybe instead of firing fox they allow him to go out with some dignity, retiring after the season?

    i just dont see anyway bringing him back next year as a lame duck makes sense. it doesnt. and extending him makes even less sense. i really cant imagine pace not wanting to bring in a young offensive mind to help bring trubs along.

    people were also sure lovie was safe after the 10-6 season. but fox has been much shittier than lovie ever was. hes a lesser version of lovie.

    lol this fucking team.
    There's thinking something's going to happen. There's rumors of what will happen. But common sense has to prevail.

    Fox isn't this young coach that hasn't gotten a fair shake. When he was hired, it was noted so many times how he turned things around in his 2nd year in Carolina and Denver. He had great coordinators in Gase and Fangio. Well, he went backwards in his 2nd year this time. Now, we're giving him moral victories for playing the Falcons and Saints close? We're giving him extensions for hypothetically winning 5 games in 8 weeks, when he couldn't win 5 in a full year last year?

    Like you said, he'll be 63 after the season. You don't give him 1 more year to prove himself. If he doesn't, you've probably ruined Trubisky as Fox has never developed a QB. If Fox does manages to get this team to the playoffs then what? Sure we'd all be very happy with a 10-win, playoff team in 2018. But do you give him a 4-year deal (standard length of coach's deal) to coach til he's almost 68? Most 67 year olds are gambling their retirement away on slot machines. Even if you think 8-8 is some great accomplishment that you think means he deserves millions of dollars, you're still talking about a guy who is old, who hasn't won anything, and who has historically held back his offenses. The Bears just drafted a QB. Fox is not, and has never been the guy to develop a QB. Fox isn't going to be the coach of this team at the end of Trubisky's rookie contract. Whether he's allowed to walk after next year, or is re-signed and retires like most 65+ people do, the end game is he's gone by 2020 at the latest. Why prolong the inevitable when there's a justifiable out by firing him now?

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    63 is too old for another contract? But we want Fangio at 59?

    Tom Coughlin coached till 69 recently. Think Marv Levy was 65 when he coached the first of 4 AFC Championship teams.

    I mean I know he's not young. But I don't think age is the important factor here, it's the product on the field.

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    There's thinking something's going to happen. There's rumors of what will happen. But common sense has to prevail.

    Fox isn't this young coach that hasn't gotten a fair shake. When he was hired, it was noted so many times how he turned things around in his 2nd year in Carolina and Denver. He had great coordinators in Gase and Fangio. Well, he went backwards in his 2nd year this time. Now, we're giving him moral victories for playing the Falcons and Saints close? We're giving him extensions for hypothetically winning 5 games in 8 weeks, when he couldn't win 5 in a full year last year?

    Like you said, he'll be 63 after the season. You don't give him 1 more year to prove himself. If he doesn't, you've probably ruined Trubisky as Fox has never developed a QB. If Fox does manages to get this team to the playoffs then what? Sure we'd all be very happy with a 10-win, playoff team in 2018. But do you give him a 4-year deal (standard length of coach's deal) to coach til he's almost 68? Most 67 year olds are gambling their retirement away on slot machines. Even if you think 8-8 is some great accomplishment that you think means he deserves millions of dollars, you're still talking about a guy who is old, who hasn't won anything, and who has historically held back his offenses. The Bears just drafted a QB. Fox is not, and has never been the guy to develop a QB. Fox isn't going to be the coach of this team at the end of Trubisky's rookie contract. Whether he's allowed to walk after next year, or is re-signed and retires like most 65+ people do, the end game is he's gone by 2020 at the latest. Why prolong the inevitable when there's a justifiable out by firing him now?
    not to mention, 8-8 record. not because the Bears are good but because they played a cupcake schedule in the 2nd half.
    The Bears don't need to win any game after tomorrow. beat GB, manage to blow every game after. the last thing this team needs is a false sense of hope/direction with a guy who is clearly past his prime.

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    I think it depends on what other coaches will be available in 2018 vs 2019. If a can't miss guy becomes available, then Pace pulls the trigger after this year. Similar to when the Cubs got Joe Maddon. If not, then Fox stays for the last year of his contract and his fate depends on if we make the playoffs next year.

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    I think it depends on what other coaches will be available in 2018 vs 2019. If a can't miss guy becomes available, then Pace pulls the trigger after this year. Similar to when the Cubs got Joe Maddon. If not, then Fox stays for the last year of his contract and his fate depends on if we make the playoffs next year.
    This makes NO sense. This isn't baseball. You know what coaches are available. Every offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, QB coach, special teams coach, every assistant is available. These guys get hired every year in football to head coaching positions. In baseball, it's basically the same 30 coaches that move with a few former players getting new jobs every couple years. In baseball, nobody knows what effect a bench coach or pitching or hitting coach actually has on a team. In football, you know if a coordinator makes his side of the ball better. It's pretty straight forward.

    You seem to be waiting on a Harbaugh or Gruden or some shit. You gonna wait forever if those guys don't want to come back to the NFL? And why are you hitching a 63 year old's future to any fate? He has no future. He's 2 years from the retirement age. This isn't Belichick we're talking about. This is John Fucking Fox.....the guy with 0 rings, 0 QBs developed in his career, and 12 wins out of 40 games in Chicago. What is it about him that says, "hey let's see how he does the last year of his contract before deciding to fire/extend him"? We know how he does. In Chicago, he does not good enough. In Carolina and Denver, his best is not winning the Superbowl. Don't settle for mediocrity (and 8-8 season) or almost winning. There's no guarantee a coordinator will take this job and win anything either, but after 20+ years, there's as much of a guarantee as possible that Fox isn't going to win anything.

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    63 is too old for another contract? But we want Fangio at 59?

    Tom Coughlin coached till 69 recently. Think Marv Levy was 65 when he coached the first of 4 AFC Championship teams.

    I mean I know he's not young. But I don't think age is the important factor here, it's the product on the field.
    Fox's age is not the end-all, be-all factor. But it's a huge factor when talking about giving him a contract extension when he hasn't done anything to earn it. If the Bears were truly building something because of him or if Fox had 3 Superbowl rings like Coughlin does, then maybe it would make sense. But Levy was an innovator. He basically made the "no huddle" offense a thing. Fox doesn't give the Bears that kind of competitive advantage. Fox doesn't have this amazing history worthy of revere. Maybe if Fox were 43 or 53 then I'd be open to letting him play out his last year of his contract. But he's going to be 63 in February. Even if he does coach the team to the playoffs next year, I don't want him given a new contract.....mainly because he'll be 64 and there's no nostalgia or competitive advantage he provides.

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    For what it's worth, I remember Giants fans wanting Coughlin gone & sited his age before they won a SB. Then they cooled off after wining a SB for a year or two and started it up again...then they won another SB...

    Pete Carroll is 66, guys. I understand disagreeing with Fox's coaching philosophy, but his age has nothing to do with it. If we make the playoffs next year, and he wants to continue coaching, he'll get an extension.

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    If you want to replace Loggains you need to extend Fox.

    You are not luring a top OC candidate without at least a 3 year deal.


    Allbright mentioned that the Rams may let LaFleur leave to be a play calling OC to better his chances of being a HC.

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    If that is indeed the case, 2019 will 100% be a make or break year for Ryan Pace. Fox doesn't lead the team to the playoffs, his contracts up, not retained, no chance they let a GM with 1 year left hire a HC to a 4 year deal.
    I agree keeping Fox puts more of a target on Ryan Pace. He would be choosing 8-8 and a pile of dust, if that is what happens.

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    I dont mind John Fox, but at the emd of the day I give Vic Fangio the keys. If he wants to be coach let him, if he wants to be DC and coach under Fox, that's what we should do. If he wants to be DC under another coach, then let his wish be our command..


    Whatever we need to do to secure Vic Fangio it must be done.

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    For what it's worth, I remember Giants fans wanting Coughlin gone & sited his age before they won a SB. Then they cooled off after wining a SB for a year or two and started it up again...then they won another SB...

    Pete Carroll is 66, guys. I understand disagreeing with Fox's coaching philosophy, but his age has nothing to do with it. If we make the playoffs next year, and he wants to continue coaching, he'll get an extension.
    Why do you guys keep comparing Fox to old coaches that are actually good and have won rings? Do you see the issue with comparing to Coughlin and Carroll? Hell like I said, even Levy was an innovator worthy of keeping at an old age. I predict the next post will be about Belichick being over 60.

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    I dont mind John Fox, but at the emd of the day I give Vic Fangio the keys. If he wants to be coach let him, if he wants to be DC and coach under Fox, that's what we should do. If he wants to be DC under another coach, then let his wish be our command..


    Whatever we need to do to secure Vic Fangio it must be done.
    You "don't mind" Fox going 9-23 in his first 2 years? You "don't mind" Fox getting failing to win a playoff game w/ Peyton Manning and the #1 or #2 seed twice in 3 years? You "don't mind" Fox getting to Superbowl that 1 other year with Manning just to get completely blown out? You "don't mind" Fox sticking with Glennon and running an offense that's unwilling to open up the playbook? You "don't mind" that Fox has a terrible history of developing QBs and young teams in general?

    You guys really need to stop settling. Fox was a mediocre hire to begin with. He'll be the thing that holds a great team back from being great if he's ever allowed to get to that point. He always has been that. Always will be that. And Fangio, who I love, isn't that great that you let him dictate the next coach. That's just asinine.

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    I want nothing more than the Bears to win out, go 8-0 the rest of the year, get into the playoffs, and win the Superbowl this year. But damn, a part of me can't wait for you guys to come back down to Earth when the Bears inevitably lose today's game or if they don't lose, finish 3-5 the 2nd half of the season just like they did the first half. Fox is not good enough. This team isn't good enough. People are penciling in wins based on the schedule, when the Bears are only marginally better (if at all) than most of the teams they have left to play. This team got blown out by Tampa. They made mental mistakes (a Fox team trademark) and lost 2 close games, while barely winning a game that should have been a blowout.

    I don't know what's worst, acting like 8-8 is a foregone conclusion or acting like getting to 8-8 is some sort of great accomplishment.

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    Coaches will want the job if they believe in the QB. The more we get from Trubisky the rest of the season, the better it will be as far as making the job wanted.

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    Why do you guys keep comparing Fox to old coaches that are actually good and have won rings? Do you see the issue with comparing to Coughlin and Carroll? Hell like I said, even Levy was an innovator worthy of keeping at an old age. I predict the next post will be about Belichick being over 60.
    You jumped to that conclusion. I cited that age isn't a disqualification. Posters keep bringing up age as a negative for Fox. I didn't compare resumes. But even then, the critique of Carroll & Coughlin were similar to Fox in not winning the big one...until it happened late in their careers. Now it's hindsight being 20/20.

    It's a self fulfilling prophecy for some organizations. Keep faulting successful regular season coaches for failing to win a SB and fire them. So of course, they never win a Super Bowl.

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    You jumped to that conclusion. I cited that age isn't a disqualification. Posters keep bringing up age as a negative for Fox. I didn't compare resumes. But even then, the critique of Carroll & Coughlin were similar to Fox in not winning the big one...until it happened late in their careers. Now it's hindsight being 20/20.

    It's a self fulfilling prophecy for some organizations. Keep faulting successful regular season coaches for failing to win a SB and fire them. So of course, they never win a Super Bowl.
    Carroll spent most of his head coaching career in college. Coughlin, you have a point. But my point is that Fox isn't even that successful of a regular season coach. 131-116. .530 winning percentage. Carroll had a better win % than that in New England when he coached there in the 90s. So, as I've been saying....age IS a negative for Fox, because he's not good. He's a coordinator driven coach (as has been pointed out) and his OC isn't even good.

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