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A mere three weeks after giddy Chicago fans had the bunch of bums currently calling themselves Chicago Bears primed to run the table and claim the "wide open" NFC North title, this is what it's come to - a first half without a first down, more penalty yards than offense through two quarters, a 3-and-8 record, and far more questions than answers in Year 3 of a rebuild that seems to be going nowhere fast. Against the Eagles, the Bears looked impotent and resigned to their fate, celebrating the moral victory of a third quarter field goal that kept them from a deserved shutout as respite from the beatdown they seemed intent on enduring from the coin toss. As has too often happened during the John Fox regime, the Bears weren't ready to play and knew it, having prepared themselves only to spend 3 hours on the football field against the 9-and-1 Eagles and nothing more. An honorable forfeit is what we saw on that football field today. And thus does the shoopster break it down . . .

. . . It starts as always with the quarterback, Mitch Trubisky. Coming off several games of incremental - not significant - improvement, The Frisky One took a step back against the Eagles. Looking shell-shocked behind a porous offensive line, Trubisky's happy feet and poor mechanics manifested themselves in wild inaccuracy all day long, with passes sailing wide of receivers and most often two to three feet over their heads. That, of course, was when Trubisky threw the ball. After half a season under center now, it is time for Trubisky to start showing improvement in pocket presence. It is no longer acceptable for The Frisky One to continue to hold the ball waiting for a receiver to come free and clear in order to attempt the perfect completion. All he's doing is contributing unnecessarily to the eventual sack.

It is time for Trubisky to learn how to throw the ball away, either out of bounds over the receiver, into the ground in front of him, or - and this has to start happening in spite of the pi55-poor receivers "If I'm Lyin' I'm" Ryan Pace has given him - throwing a receiver open. Far too often Trubisky underthrows receivers - perhaps he should start overthrowing them and giving them a chance to run the ball down rather than creating contested attempts for receivers who can't fight off or outjump quarterbacks. There's little doubt Trubisky hasn't been given the offensive tools he should be given, particularly at receiver. But it is time for the #2 pick in the draft to stop being reactive, and start making plays that create opportunities. Trubisky is doing NONE of lthat.

It's also time for someone - be it the quarterback coach, or the quasi-quarterback coach Mark Sanchez - to put some time in with Trubisky working on his poor mechanics before they become ingrained. Trubisky is a mess in the pocket, which may be why he seems to be more accurate when on the move than when his feet are fixed.

The bottom line is - rookie or not - it is time for The Frisky One to start showing improvement ON HIS OWN. ELEVATE the people around you, not to Pro-Bowl status if they are as terrible as we know they are, but something above the incompetence we are looking at now. It is time.

For Trubisky's part, he did not appear to have himself ready respond today. Far from the hulking alpha-male the Bears were so intent on promoting a few weeks ago when The Frisky One supposedly barked profanely at linemen to respect his command in the huddle, Trubisky looked resigned to his fate from kickoff on, accepting the butt-whipping the Eagles put on him with a shrug of the shoulders and - late in the 4th after yet another offensive penalty - with a smile. He did not look like he was in charge out there. Has the inevitable failure the Bears have engineered for him with below average personnel and an ill-advised conservative gameplan that plays AWAY from his athletic, improvisational strengths begun to affect him mentally? It is a question worth asking in the wake of today's beat-down, which Trubisky accepted ass-up . . .

. . . Jordan "Hubba Hubba" Howard gained 6 yards on 7 carries. Bear fans will lambaste Duh-well Loggains for abandoning the run, but what quite frankly is he supposed to do when Howard comes out and runs like Eddie Lacy after Thanksgiving dinner? Howard looked fat, slow and listless on the field in limited first half action and is one of the Bears who must answer for coming out of the tunnel unprepared to play, though encouragingly he did catch - rather than knock down - a couple of screen passes, albeit in garbage time . . .

. . . Can the Tarik "The Freak" Cohen now come to a close? Cohen continued to run backwards most of the time he had his hands on the ball, discounting kickoffs, on which he appears to have learned what to do reasonably well. On offense, Cohen is a gimmick the NFL has completely figured out. Cohen ran the ball twice for minus-11 yards. That's a gimmick exposed . . .

. . . Having said that on the Bears running backs, the "vaunted" Bear offensive line, once thought to be a strength of the team, was completely lifeless today. There was too much pressure on Trubisky - notwithstanding The Frisky One exacerbating the problem by holding onto the ball - and there were NO holes for the running backs. Kyle Long was on the field but noteworthy only for one play in the second half for showing his "leadership" by yelling at the team after yet another stupid penalty. This former "strength" is now another hole the Bears have to address this offseason . . .

. . . Was there a receiver on the field other than Dontrelle Inman? It didn't appear that way. Inman's nothing special, but at least he appeared to get open once in a while. One week after a sort of coming-out party, Adam Shaheen was invisible. And where was Pace's big offseason receiver signing "Mucus" Wheaton? One week after Fox balleyhooed a new play package put into the gameplan for Wheaton, he has 1 catch in 2 games. $6 million for that? And Bear fans wonder why the shoopster continues to insist the Bears' pro-personnel scouting might be the worst in the NFL . . .

. . . Duh-well Loggains did the offense no favors by going back to the run-run-pass gameplan that has served Trubisky so poorly since he took over under center. Bear fans want to blame John Fox for the offensive woes, and certainly Fox sets the tone. But it is Loggains calling the offense. When the Bears actually started to move the ball a bit in the second half, they still found themselves in repeated third-and-longs set up by Loggains' refusal to shake things up. This guy is hurting Trubisky's development every bit as much as John Fox and is every bit a problem on the staff as the Head Coach . . .

. . . On defense, "Vaunted" Vic Fangio looked as if he was going to have his cake and eat it too, starting the game calling the same pu55y defense he's reverted to the last three games after a mid-season diversion into high-pressure blitzes and challenging defii (pl: defense) that created turnovers that seemed as if they would incomprehensively lead a Bears resurgence. And yet despite Fangio's lack of fortitude, the Bears got a couple early turnovers, though it turned out that was due more to the Eagles' sloppy play than the Bears' aggresiveness. Alas, Fangio's bend-don't-break defense broke in the second quarter, and broke big as the Bears found themselves down 24-to-nothing at half. Combine that with several missed interceptions and it's clear Fangio is not a guy who is going to coach to prioritize turnovers, and a passive bend-don't-break defense doesn't work with the offense Fox and Loggains are implementing. So what's Fangio doing here? He's the wrong Defensive Coordinator for this team, and certainly not worthy of any interim consideration to lead the Bears the rest of the season, regardless of how tempting it is to launch Fox now . . .

. . . A special call out to the not-so Special Teams, who have flown under the radar all year due to all the other problems on this team but deserve scrutiny. This unit is poorly coached, unmotivated, and ineffective. The Bears tried to play a field position game in the first half and the "Mega-shunt," Pat O'Donnell, blew that with a bad punt and the unit by allowing a block. Again, with Fox and Loggains playing scared-to-death offense, lackadaisical Special Teams won't cut it . . .

. . . Which leaves, of course, Barnaby Jones himself, John Fox. There isn't much left to say about Fox, who is 12-and-31 as Head Coach of the Bears and a few easily achievable losses away from eclipsing the immortal Abe Gibron as worst coach in the franchise's history. Think about that - despite the history of ineptitude this "storied" franchise has dumped on its fans, despite the one-win seasons in the '60s and the laughable teams in the '70s, John Fox's regime has been less successful than nearly all of them. Whether we realize it or not, we are in the midst of the nadir of Bear football over it's nearly 100 year history. And Fox leads it.

Against the Eagles, the Bears came out of the tunnel ass-up, prepared to lose. Fox had them that way. It was the latest example of a Head Coach negligently attempting his job duties on Gameday. After the game, Fox was asked during his postgame presser whether he was concerned about his job security, to which he reportedly responded "I don't give a rip." Whatever a rip is, he's coaching like it. Fire his a55 because a loser is a loser . . .

. . . By the way, it's not just John Fox who's 12-and-31, it's Ryan Pace too. How long is Pace going to hide inside Halas Hall. This is his mess, and we're in Year 3 of it. It's not going anywhere . . .
 
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Trubisky is a country mile from being a good QB at the NFL level. He may get there, he may not, but this team sucks. Even accounting for injuries, the progress made in the Pace/Fox regime is virtually zero. Just fail all the way round.
 

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A mere three weeks after giddy Chicago fans had the bunch of bums currently calling themselves Chicago Bears primed to run the table and claim the "wide open" NFC North title, this is what it's come to - a first half without a first down, more penalty yards than offense through two quarters, a 3-and-8 record, and far more questions than answers in Year 3 of a rebuild that seems to be going nowhere fast. Against the Eagles, the Bears looked impotent and resigned to their fate, celebrating the moral victory of a third quarter field goal that kept them from a deserved shutout as respite from the beatdown they seemed intent on enduring from the coin toss. As has too often happened during the John Fox regime, the Bears weren't ready to play and knew it, having prepared themselves only to spend 3 hours on the football field against the 9-and-1 Eagles and nothing more. An honorable forfeit is what we saw on that football field today. And thus does the shoopster break it down . . .

. . . It starts as always with the quarterback, Mitch Trubisky. Coming off several games of incremental - not significant - improvement, The Frisky One took a step back against the Eagles. Looking shell-shocked behind a porous offensive line, Trubisky's happy feet and poor mechanics manifested themselves in wild inaccuracy all day long, with passes sailing wide of receivers and most often two to three feet over their heads. That, of course, was when Trubisky threw the ball. After half a season under center now, it is time for Trubisky to start showing improvement in pocket presence. It is no longer acceptable for The Frisky One to continue to hold the ball waiting for a receiver to come free and clear in order to attempt the perfect completion. All he's doing is contributing unnecessarily to the eventual sack.

It is time for Trubisky to learn how to throw the ball away, either out of bounds over the receiver, into the ground in front of him, or - and this has to start happening in spite of the pi55-poor receivers "If I'm Lyin' I'm" Ryan Pace has given him - throwing a receiver open. Far too often Trubisky underthrows receivers - perhaps he should start overthrowing them and giving them a chance to run the ball down rather than creating contested attempts for receivers who can't fight off or outjump quarterbacks. There's little doubt Trubisky hasn't been given the offensive tools he should be given, particularly at receiver. But it is time for the #2 pick in the draft to stop being reactive, and start making plays that create opportunities. Trubisky is doing NONE of lthat.

It's also time for someone - be it the quarterback coach, or the quasi-quarterback coach Mark Sanchez - to put some time in with Trubisky working on his poor mechanics before they become ingrained. Trubisky is a mess in the pocket, which may be why he seems to be more accurate when on the move than when his feet are fixed.

The bottom line is - rookie or not - it is time for The Frisky One to start showing improvement ON HIS OWN. ELEVATE the people around you, not to Pro-Bowl status if they are as terrible as we know they are, but something above the incompetence we are looking at now. It is time.

For Trubisky's part, he did not appear to have himself ready respond today. Far from the hulking alpha-male the Bears were so intent on promoting a few weeks ago when The Frisky One supposedly barked profanely at linemen to respect his command in the huddle, Trubisky looked resigned to his fate from kickoff on, accepting the butt-whipping the Eagles put on him with a shrug of the shoulders and - late in the 4th after yet another offensive penalty - with a smile. He did not look like he was in charge out there. Has the inevitable failure the Bears have engineered for him with below average personnel and an ill-advised conservative gameplan that plays AWAY from his athletic, improvisational strengths begun to affect him mentally? It is a question worth asking in the wake of today's beat-down, which Trubisky accepted ass-up . . .

. . . Jordan "Hubba Hubba" Howard gained 6 yards on 7 carries. Bear fans will lambaste Duh-well Loggains for abandoning the run, but what quite frankly is he supposed to do when Howard comes out and runs like Eddie Lacy after Thanksgiving dinner? Howard looked fat, slow and listless on the field in limited first half action and is one of the Bears who must answer for coming out of the tunnel unprepared to play, though encouragingly he did catch - rather than knock down - a couple of screen passes, albeit in garbage time . . .

. . . Can the Tarik "The Freak" Cohen now come to a close? Cohen continued to run backwards most of the time he had his hands on the ball, discounting kickoffs, on which he appears to have learned what to do reasonably well. On offense, Cohen is a gimmick the NFL has completely figured out. Cohen ran the ball twice for minus-11 yards. That's a gimmick exposed . . .

. . . Having said that on the Bears running backs, the "vaunted" Bear offensive line, once thought to be a strength of the team, was completely lifeless today. There was too much pressure on Trubisky - notwithstanding The Frisky One exacerbating the problem by holding onto the ball - and there were NO holes for the running backs. Kyle Long was on the field but noteworthy only for one play in the second half for showing his "leadership" by yelling at the team after yet another stupid penalty. This former "strength" is now another hole the Bears have to address this offseason . . .

. . . Was there a receiver on the field other than Dontrelle Inman? It didn't appear that way. Inman's nothing special, but at least he appeared to get open once in a while. One week after a sort of coming-out party, Adam Shaheen was invisible. And where was Pace's big offseason receiver signing "Mucus" Wheaton? One week after Fox balleyhooed a new play package put into the gameplan for Wheaton, he has 1 catch in 2 games. $6 million for that? And Bear fans wonder why the shoopster continues to insist the Bears' pro-personnel scouting might be the worst in the NFL . . .

. . . Duh-well Loggains did the offense no favors by going back to the run-run-pass gameplan that has served Trubisky so poorly since he took over under center. Bear fans want to blame John Fox for the offensive woes, and certainly Fox sets the tone. But it is Loggains calling the offense. When the Bears actually started to move the ball a bit in the second half, they still found themselves in repeated third-and-longs set up by Loggains' refusal to shake things up. This guy is hurting Trubisky's development every bit as much as John Fox and is every bit a problem on the staff as the Head Coach . . .

. . . On defense, "Vaunted" Vic Fangio looked as if he was going to have his cake and eat it too, starting the game calling the same pu55y defense he's reverted to the last three games after a mid-season diversion into high-pressure blitzes and challenging defii (pl: defense) that created turnovers that seemed as if they would incomprehensively lead a Bears resurgence. And yet despite Fangio's lack of fortitude, the Bears got a couple early turnovers, though it turned out that was due more to the Eagles' sloppy play than the Bears' aggresiveness. Alas, Fangio's bend-don't-break defense broke in the second quarter, and broke big as the Bears found themselves down 24-to-nothing at half. Combine that with several missed interceptions and it's clear Fangio is not a guy who is going to coach to prioritize turnovers, and a passive bend-don't-break defense doesn't work with the offense Fox and Loggains are implementing. So what's Fangio doing here? He's the wrong Defensive Coordinator for this team, and certainly not worthy of any interim consideration to lead the Bears the rest of the season, regardless of how tempting it is to launch Fox now . . .

. . . A special call out to the not-so Special Teams, who have flown under the radar all year due to all the other problems on this team but deserve scrutiny. This unit is poorly coached, unmotivated, and ineffective. The Bears tried to play a field position game in the first half and the "Mega-shunt," Pat O'Donnell, blew that with a bad punt and the unit by allowing a block. Again, with Fox and Loggains playing scared-to-death offense, lackadaisical Special Teams won't cut it . . .

. . . Which leaves, of course, Barnaby Jones himself, John Fox. There isn't much left to say about Fox, who is 12-and-31 as Head Coach of the Bears and a few easily achievable losses away from eclipsing the immortal Abe Gibron as worst coach in the franchise's history. Think about that - despite the history of ineptitude this "storied" franchise has dumped on its fans, despite the one-win seasons in the '60s and the laughable teams in the '70s, John Fox's regime has been less successful than nearly all of them. Whether we realize it or not, we are in the midst of the nadir of Bear football over it's nearly 100 year history. And Fox leads it.

Against the Eagles, the Bears came out of the tunnel ass-up, prepared to lose. Fox had them that way. It was the latest example of a Head Coach negligently attempting his job duties on Gameday. After the game, Fox was asked during his postgame presser whether he was concerned about his job security, to which he reportedly responded "I don't give a rip." Whatever a rip is, he's coaching like it. Fire his a55 because a loser is a loser . . .

. . . By the way, it's not just John Fox who's 12-and-31, it's Ryan Pace too. How long is Pace going to hide inside Halas Hall. This is his mess, and we're in Year 3 of it. It's not going anywhere . . .

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So anyone who decided to read that give me an abridged version of what he said.
 

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When I read the shoopster's assessment of Trubisky, I can't help but think he's writing about another jay but without the attitude. And all of it is true. This is six games into Trubisky's tenure, and we've yet to see any appreciable signs of progress. It's so easy to turn this into one of those circular arguments that paints teflon on Trubisky and blames his lack of success on the receivers. Then, when the Bears use a high draft pick on a receiver (like they did with Jeffery) and then sign a high profile receiver (like they did with Marshall) and that doesn't work, we can blame it on the o-line. Then blame it on the OC and ultimately back to the receivers. I hope this doesn't turn into another multi year experiment that drags on endlessly.

I've watched this movie before. Yes, these receivers aren't very good, but the 22s show Trubisky is missing open guys, making horribly inaccurate throws behind or over their heads and just isn't seeing the field well. While these problems can be improved, there should be enough dazzling plays during a game to convince the coaches he has the raw talent to become NFL caliber. So far, 6 games in, I don't see it.

I'm all for dumping inept Fox, but I think Pace is getting too much of a pass. It's 3 years into his tenure, and the Bears are going to have another losing season. He had every opportunity to franchise Jeffery and find a decent journeyman QB who could have won a few of those early close games. Glennon is a colossal mistake, and it was avoidable. With any kind of passing game, the Bears could easily have come into the Eagles game at 6-4. Yet, in an age where teams are transformed in 1 or 2 years, the Bears are still a hot mess 3 years into the rebuild.

And I'm for moving on from Fangio. The league has figured out his hybrid 3-4, and he's very overrated. I'd like to see the Bears go back to the 4-3, so at least we could get a chance to draft an impact MLB who can run sideline to sideline, stuff the run and cover the TE. The 3-4 requires players who must fit a very narrow profile, and there just aren't that many available to make an effective front 7. Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman aren't showing up any time soon.
 

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I'm all for dumping inept Fox, but I think Pace is getting too much of a pass. It's 3 years into his tenure, and the Bears are going to have another losing season. He had every opportunity to franchise Jeffery and find a decent journeyman QB who could have won a few of those early close games. Glennon is a colossal mistake, and it was avoidable. With any kind of passing game, the Bears could easily have come into the Eagles game at 6-4. Yet, in an age where teams are transformed in 1 or 2 years, the Bears are still a hot mess 3 years into the rebuild.

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Where is Pace? Last year he grandstanded after the Bears sat pat on Black Monday after a 3-win season by saying the Bears "won't allow ourselves to get in this position again." Here we are less than one year later with the Bears at 3 wins.

What does "Sweaty" Teddy Phillips think about what's going on? How 'bout fat Ernie Accorsi, who hired John Fox?

Where's "King" George? Is Ginny still pi55ed?

It's time for accountability from the stuffed shirts who made the misguided decisions to hire the Foxes, Loggainses, Fangios, Glennons, Wheatons, Kevin Whites, et. al. - the losers who have failed to do what they were hired to do.

Phil Emery "Bored" and Marc "Canada Dry" Trestman won 12 games in 2 seasons that are widely regarded as one of the most embarrassing Bear regimes in the modern football era. Ryan Pace and John Fox have 12 wins in 2-and-three-quarter years. And there is nothing in place for the future, save perhaps the franchise quarterback, who himself appears to be getting tread into the mediocrity this franchise wallows within.
 
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Trubisky is a country mile from being a good QB at the NFL level. He may get there, he may not, but this team sucks. Even accounting for injuries, the progress made in the Pace/Fox regime is virtually zero. Just fail all the way round.

At some point in time, Trubisky has to do something that makes fans say, "THAT'S why the Bears have placed their future in this guy's hands." He hasn't done that yet. Not once.

He's been competent, at times. He's shown above average athletic ability, occasionally. But there hasn't even been one play - let alone a drive, or a quarter - in the seven regular season games Trubisky has played that has stood out as spectacular. It has all been milquetoast.

Bear fans have damned The Frisky One with faint praise extolling his ball control and lack of turnovers in previous games, as if a game manager is something worth mortgaging the future of the franchise for. Where is the flash, the dazzle, the brilliance? Where is the leadership? The latter sure wasn't there today, as Trubisky seemed resigned to his fate from the start.

Put it all on the coaching, or the coordinator, or the lack of talent if you want. But if you do, then we're right back to the excuses fans made for years for Jay Cutler, as mr. wade suggested above. At some point, the bonus baby has to take matters into his own hands.

the shoopster isn't writing Trubisky off, or declaring him the latest of Ryan Pace's significant bust outs. Not yet. But the lack of anything substantive from Trubisky is starting to become a concern. We should have seen SOMETHING by now. When will we? . . .
 
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To me, Trubisky gets the first half of next season to show he's an NFL caliber QB. The Bears owe him two competent receivers and a decent TE, and the rest is going to fall on his shoulders. Unfortunately, for every Jared Goff who had the light switch flip on unexpectedly, there's 20 Blaine Gabberts; guys that just never adjust to the speed of the game and the sophistication of opposing defenses.

There's enough doubt about Trubisky brewing that the Bears probably will need to go QB shopping in the draft or FA to prepare for the worst
 

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Lmao...6 games in, with piss poor receivers and below avg pass blocking line and the CBMB scouts have figured out Tribs already...smh.

Doesn’t look like the CBMB scouts are the only ones who figured out Tribs.


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Doesn’t look like the CBMB scouts are the only ones who figured out Tribs.


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It's not over yet. At this point the shoopster's main concern is the damage Pace and Fox are doing to Trubisky. He looked oddly resigned to his fate today. Not in a Jay Cutler "bad body language" way, but more in a "going thru the motions" way. There isn't any of the take-charge leadership the Bears tried to sell with those quaint stories of The Frisky One getting profane in the huddle a few weeks ago. Right now, he looks like he's along for the (very bumpy) ride, aware that the car is off course and lost, but not really interested in doing anything about it. He's executing his orders and that's it. Is it because - as some speculated last week - John Fox isn't "letting" the offense do certain things (Trubisky's word)? Have the Bears already alienated The Frisky One?

The lack of consistent - or even occasional - playmaking ability is an issue that can perhaps be attributed to his neophyte status. But what is starting to look like a waning enthusiasm and a general lack of fire is a real concern.
 
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Meanwhile Hundley is lighting up the Steelers...
 

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Doesn’t look like the CBMB scouts are the only ones who figured out Tribs.


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Yeah....ur so right...6 games in and u know how he cant play...Brees and Manning say hello...along with a ton of other good QBs
 

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To me, Trubisky gets the first half of next season to show he's an NFL caliber QB. The Bears owe him two competent receivers and a decent TE, and the rest is going to fall on his shoulders. Unfortunately, for every Jared Goff who had the light switch flip on unexpectedly, there's 20 Blaine Gabberts; guys that just never adjust to the speed of the game and the sophistication of opposing defenses.

There's enough doubt about Trubisky brewing that the Bears probably will need to go QB shopping in the draft or FA to prepare for the worst

Yawn...sthu...how about getting a rookie with 6 games under his belt some actual receivers and a decent oc
 

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It's not over yet. At this point the shoopster's main concern is the damage Pace and Fox are doing to Trubisky. He looked oddly resigned to his fate today. Not in a Jay Cutler "bad body language" way, but more in a "going thru the motions" way. There isn't any of the take-charge leadership the Bears tried to sell with those quaint stories of The Frisky One getting profane in the huddle a few weeks ago. Right now, he looks like he's along for the (very bumpy) ride, aware that the car is off course and lost, but not really interested in doing anything about it. He's executing his orders and that's it. Is it because - as some speculated last week - John Fox isn't "letting" the offense do certain things (Trubisky's word)? Have the Bears already alienated The Frisky One?

The lack of consistent - or even occasional - playmaking ability is an issue that can perhaps be attributed to his neophyte status. But what is starting to look like a waning enthusiasm is a real concern.


I'm looking for glimpses that give us a hint of the talent that that's waiting to emerge with experience and a decent supporting cast. Last year, Carson Wnetz flashed. Cam Newton flashed his rookie year, so did Winston. So far, Trubisky has chillingly resembled jay without the crap ass attitude. Inaccurate throws and an inability to read the field. It's not encouraging. I get the 22s on Tuesday, and he's missing open receivers and can't anticipate receivers coming open, at least so far.
 

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Yeah....ur so right...6 games in and u know how he cant play...Brees and Manning say hello...along with a ton of other good QBs

I just don’t agree the way most of you feel free to assume he’ll become the quintessential franchise Qb in time. It may just not be there. I haven’t really seen it. Manning and Brees didn’t struggle producing from the beginning. Bree’s threw for over 3000 yards his first year. Manning was close to 4000 and had over 25 tds his first year. Trubisky has not produced at all. Foolish comparison on your part.


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