Bears should hire someone with prior NFL head coaching experience

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11 of the last 16 Super Bowls have been won by a HC on his second NFL team. Belichick (x5), Caroll, Coughlin (x2), Dungy, Gruden, and Kubiak.

The other five coaches are Cowher (on his 14th season when he won, not a young coach or one many would have stuck with), McCarthy (incompetent and inherited two HoF QBs), Payton (incompetent and signed elite young QB), Tomlin (inherited HoF QB, HoF defense, super bowl winning staff), and Harbaugh who actually did it without a franchise QB (but did have benefit of going to good organization that was usually competitive and even won a SB 8 years prior).

Unless they inherit a HoF QB, the hotshot coordinator rarely ever does anything in the postseason, and doesn’t typically hold down the job for long. The young, innovative, QB guru, with good connections around the league almost never exists, and when he does he is probably locked up elsewhere. It is tempting to go in the opposite direction because Fox was supposed to perhaps be similar to that (as he arguably was for Denver), but hiring somebody with experience still has the most proven track record. To bring the highest chance of both stability and a chance to contend, we should hire somebody with experience on one team prior, who had general success at times. The six guys who won 11/16 Super Bowls on their second team all had success elsewhere but failed to win the SB ultimately costing them their job (except Gruden who was traded). We should target somebody along those lines. 2013 would have been the perfect year with Reid and Arians available to replace Lovie, but Emery blew it.

So, who could we go for this year who might fit the mold? I would say Gase and Harbaugh. Gase somehow started 14-6 with one of the worst teams in football before they got exposed. He also has the balls to gamble in obvious situations, has his offenses play excellent situational football from 2013-16, and has connections to the current team (and NFL) that could ease a transition (not needing to get rid of Fangio for example). Harbaugh meanwhile had obvious success with one of the best starts to a career in NFL history, and if nothing else the Fangio connection if we want to keep him at the end of the year.
 

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Pat Shurmur [Vikings Offensive Coordinator]? If you can win with Case Keenum he can mold Trubisky into a superstar.
 

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One of the big complaints that Olin Kreutz has is that Loggains is a very inexperienced OC with no experienced assistants to lean on. It shows with his play calling once he gets away from the scripted plays.
 

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Someone with prior HC experience? You mean like John Fox? . . .

. . . The policies of the McCaskeys and "Sweaty" Teddy Phillips make the Bears job a compromise for any HC or front office executive. The Ernie Accorsi disaster proved that yet again as it showed the meddling an executive like Ryan Pace has to endure in return for being Peter Principle'd into a job he really hasn't earned. Said principle-Ing is an old Bears trick the Sweatster uses to maintain ultimate control in the front office rather than giving it to a football executive as other teams do. The same meddling techniques are used on the Head coaches (see John Fox being forced to start Jay Cutler long past ever wanting to).

Any HC with prior experience in the league recognizes this dysfunction when they sit down to interview with the Sweatster, if that is they don't already know about it through their league connections, with whom the Bears ownership and front office have a terrible reputation. So any HC who can call his own shot goes elsewhere.

Which is how the Bears ended up with John Fox. Nobody else wanted him, so he was willing to accept whatever the Bears were going to do to him. Jim Harbaugh, Adam Gase, or anybody worth a darn, won't be.
 

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Adam Gase is overrated. Shurmur or Harbaugh are interesting retreads. Not sure who else will be available in that light.

Your figures are probably skewed because Belicheck has won 5 of those 16 Super Bowls.
 

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Not to mention, those QB's include:

Brady
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning

Wilson
Brad Johnson

With Wilson and Johnson on all time great defenses.

Also, the other teams without retread coaches, as you've said, have HOF QB's or stout defenses.

Your logic is flawed by your own arguement.
 

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11 of the last 16 Super Bowls have been won by a HC on his second NFL team. Belichick (x5), Caroll, Coughlin (x2), Dungy, Gruden, and Kubiak.

The other five coaches are Cowher (on his 14th season when he won, not a young coach or one many would have stuck with), McCarthy (incompetent and inherited two HoF QBs), Payton (incompetent and signed elite young QB), Tomlin (inherited HoF QB, HoF defense, super bowl winning staff), and Harbaugh who actually did it without a franchise QB (but did have benefit of going to good organization that was usually competitive and even won a SB 8 years prior).

Unless they inherit a HoF QB, the hotshot coordinator rarely ever does anything in the postseason, and doesn’t typically hold down the job for long. The young, innovative, QB guru, with good connections around the league almost never exists, and when he does he is probably locked up elsewhere. It is tempting to go in the opposite direction because Fox was supposed to perhaps be similar to that (as he arguably was for Denver), but hiring somebody with experience still has the most proven track record. To bring the highest chance of both stability and a chance to contend, we should hire somebody with experience on one team prior, who had general success at times. The six guys who won 11/16 Super Bowls on their second team all had success elsewhere but failed to win the SB ultimately costing them their job (except Gruden who was traded). We should target somebody along those lines. 2013 would have been the perfect year with Reid and Arians available to replace Lovie, but Emery blew it.

So, who could we go for this year who might fit the mold? I would say Gase and Harbaugh. Gase somehow started 14-6 with one of the worst teams in football before they got exposed. He also has the balls to gamble in obvious situations, has his offenses play excellent situational football from 2013-16, and has connections to the current team (and NFL) that could ease a transition (not needing to get rid of Fangio for example). Harbaugh meanwhile had obvious success with one of the best starts to a career in NFL history, and if nothing else the Fangio connection if we want to keep him at the end of the year.

I'm somewhat certain you know Gase is under contract at Miami. He is nothing special so very doubtful...meh
 

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11 of the last 16 Super Bowls have been won by a HC on his second NFL team. Belichick (x5), Caroll, Coughlin (x2), Dungy, Gruden, and Kubiak.

The other five coaches are Cowher (on his 14th season when he won, not a young coach or one many would have stuck with), McCarthy (incompetent and inherited two HoF QBs), Payton (incompetent and signed elite young QB), Tomlin (inherited HoF QB, HoF defense, super bowl winning staff), and Harbaugh who actually did it without a franchise QB (but did have benefit of going to good organization that was usually competitive and even won a SB 8 years prior).
Your point is skewed by BB and TB. Just as easily you could say since 2000 11 coaches have won SB's 6 retreads and 5 first timers. So really no advantage either way.
 
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Basically your saying the coach don't much matter, it all comes down to having that QB.
 

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The six guys who won 11/16 Super Bowls on their second team all had success elsewhere but failed to win the SB ultimately costing them their job (except Gruden who was traded). We should target somebody along those lines. 2013 would have been the perfect year with Reid and Arians available to replace Lovie, but Emery blew it.
Pete Carroll was 2 games over .500 and BB 4 games under before their current jobs, they were no better and actually considerable worse than John Fox at previous stints. I think you are reading into something that doesn't exist.
 

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Someone with prior HC experience? You mean like John Fox? . . .

. . . The policies of the McCaskeys and "Sweaty" Teddy Phillips make the Bears job a compromise for any HC or front office executive. The Ernie Accorsi disaster proved that yet again as it showed the meddling an executive like Ryan Pace has to endure in return for being Peter Principle'd into a job he really hasn't earned. Said principle-Ing is an old Bears trick the Sweatster uses to maintain ultimate control in the front office rather than giving it to a football executive as other teams do. The same meddling techniques are used on the Head coaches (see John Fox being forced to start Jay Cutler long past ever wanting to).

Any HC with prior experience in the league recognizes this dysfunction when they sit down to interview with the Sweatster, if that is they don't already know about it through their league connections, with whom the Bears ownership and front office have a terrible reputation. So any HC who can call his own shot goes elsewhere.

Which is how the Bears ended up with John Fox. Nobody else wanted him, so he was willing to accept whatever the Bears were going to do to him. Jim Harbaugh, Adam Gase, or anybody worth a darn, won't be.

Bears fans should take note of this post. If nothing else, you'll have the satisfaction of understanding the nature of the dysfunction and the futility of holding on to expectations. The evidence of the incompetence and strange way of conducting business are littered throughout the years, starting with the bizarre introduction of Dave McGinnis as HC before he accepted the job, to the equally bizarre demand that Bruce Arians give a mock interview to prove he knew the proper way to not answer questions, through disqualifying the eminently qualified Chris Ballard from the GM job because he wanted control over football operations.

The irony is that if George Halas had owned a chain of tires stores or furniture outlets, the McCaskeys would have filed Chapter 7 long ago. But because they had the equivalent of a yearly mega millions lottery win fall into their laps, they aren't going anywhere, and the Bears will look more like Cleveland with every passing year.
 

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Basically your saying the coach don't much matter, it all comes down to having that QB.

Yep. Remember when Goff tore up the league last year???? He is making McVay look good and saving his ass!
 

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