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    Only when i need a good laugh and you're the one that brought him up.
    The guy hasn't been on CCS for months yet you see him everywhere. There is a word for that.
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    The guy hasn't been on CCS for months yet you see him everywhere. There is a word for that.
    You know as well as anyone that he's here.

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    QB--Trubisky--we're good
    WR--Help wanted
    RB--J.Howard/T.Cohen--we're good
    TE--D.Simms, A.Shaheen, D.Brown--good
    O-line--C.Leno, J.Sitton, C.Whitehair, K.Long--need a new RT but can win with that line

    Secondary--E.Jackson, A.Amos, Q.Demps, K.Fuller, P.Amukamra, M.Cooper--Have no idea if K.Fuller, P.Amukamara will be back but we can win with that secondary if we bring both back or sign a legit CB in free agency or draft if both leave.
    ILBer--D.Trevathon, J.Freeman, C.Jones, N.Kwiatkowski, J.Timu--Freeman when healthy was an absolute beast for us, Trevathon has been great when healthy and Jones/Kwitkowski have been good when playing next to Trevathon. We need a Trevathon that can stay healthy. Freeman most likely will not be back which is too bad cause he was really really good for us.
    OLB--L.Floyd, P.McPhee, W.Young--all 3 are injured and two done for the season. McPhee and W.Young will probably not be back next year so putting a stud opposite Floyd next year will be big for us.
    D-Line--A.Hicks, E.Goldman, J.Bullard, M.Unrein, RRH--plenty of talent to win games with but need to bring Goldman back.

    We have talent. If we can add a couple of play makers at the right positions (WR, OLB, Secondary) and add a couple other pieces (ILB, RT) we could make a nice turn around pretty quick. Of course this depends on what we do with our coaching but i think it's pretty much a lock that there will be plenty of changes after the season.
    Do you watch this team and the games?

    We're awful on offense but fine at everybody but wr???

    Id argue that is the last position to worry about it you have a competent offsive coordinator with a dynamic system.....


    The oline is awful, this needs to be significantly upgraded.

    The te are below average (at best) and Sims is awful

    The rb are okay but Howard isn't explosive and turning nothing into something or making people miss and he's a zero in the passing game.

    Trubisky sure looks like he needs a lot of help to become an above avg qb; starting with a head coach/off coord/qb coach followed by a Dallas cowboys like oline (which we are not)

    The defense is fairly bland and avg without any dynamic playmakers on any level.....a bunch of nice complimentary pieces in trevathian, hicks; Floyd, Jackson but some alpha dogs and leaders are needed and God forbid anybody gets injured as the sam nachos of the world become starters.

    So yeah.....were severely lacking in elite level talent no matter how much you want to lie to yourself

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    "Do you watch this team and the games? We're awful on offense but fine at everybody but wr??? I'd argue that is the last position to worry about it you have a competent offensive coordinator with a dynamic system....."

    I think you just proved his point....lol

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    You know as well as anyone that he's here.
    No, he is not. You already have a group of people that don't like you for a variety of reasons, so do I, making up ghosts of enemies past and seeing them everywhere is unnecessary and comes off as creepy.

    You're right I did mention him first ITT to take a shot at Teddy who thinks everyone is novak, you don't want to go there, it's a small, dark, sad place.
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    The other issue is injuries. There shouldn’t be this many soft tissue injuries on younger players. It makes it really difficult to evaluate the talent level.


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    There are serious talent issues on this team. To try and put 32 loses on just coaching is ridiculous.

    If this team had talent they would win some games in spite of the coaching.


    If the issue is coaching then it is inexcusable that Ryan Pace has hidden away and done nothing to address it. He should step in and say/do something about the severe lack of coaching.

    If you were teaching you kid to drive you would not let him mount every curb, hit a tree, and run over a kid on his bike before you took the wheel from him.

    Its like you have no idea how the NFL works.

    It doesn't exist to placate fans' timelines.

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    Do you watch this team and the games?

    We're awful on offense but fine at everybody but wr???

    Id argue that is the last position to worry about it you have a competent offsive coordinator with a dynamic system.....


    The oline is awful, this needs to be significantly upgraded.

    The te are below average (at best) and Sims is awful

    The rb are okay but Howard isn't explosive and turning nothing into something or making people miss and he's a zero in the passing game.

    Trubisky sure looks like he needs a lot of help to become an above avg qb; starting with a head coach/off coord/qb coach followed by a Dallas cowboys like oline (which we are not)

    The defense is fairly bland and avg without any dynamic playmakers on any level.....a bunch of nice complimentary pieces in trevathian, hicks; Floyd, Jackson but some alpha dogs and leaders are needed and God forbid anybody gets injured as the sam nachos of the world become starters.

    So yeah.....were severely lacking in elite level talent no matter how much you want to lie to yourself

    I'll take a stab at what I see:

    QB--Trubisky--Rookie QB playing like a rookie QB. Learning despite getting shit coaching and has unteachable accuracy and disposition. I believe he can be developed into a top level QB. That he was so badly mishandled by this coaching staff and not given more in pre-season/training camp is an indictment on this coaching staff. Get the right offensive HC in here and give him a full offseason with Trubisky, and you will see a Wentz-like jump.

    WR--Only decent receivers are Inman and Wright, and both are suited for Slot receiver. Inman has a better rapport with Trubisky and is a far superior route runner to Wright. I cut everyone but Cam and Inman this offseason, extend Inman, and pursue 2 FA WRs in the offseason. Team still will not have that dynamic WR threat as I draft OT in Rd 1 if best is on the board - the line needs to be rebuilt. I may draft a WR later in the draft, but I don't draft for the home run WR until 2019 - there was a draft statistic out there for a while that the best chances at getting a receiver are between 15-25, as 1-15 have a greater bust rate. And I don't anoint Cam the #1 WR. Cam will have to earn his spot all over again.

    RB--J.Howard/T.Cohen-- This is fine - both are playmakers, and Cohen has All pro ability, but needs a TON of coaching. In the right hands, he can be molded into a lethal weapon on offense.

    TE--D.Simms, A.Shaheen, D.Brown - Of the group, I like what little I have seen of Shaheen, but it is an indictment of the coaching staff that we do not see Shaheen more. I think Brown and Simms are replacement level, but you can find veteran tight ends off the street - smart play here is to see what the incoming head coach wants, and grab those TE types in free agency.

    O-line--C.Leno, J.Sitton, C.Whitehair, K.Long, Massie - Only Whitehair belongs on the line of the future here, and I believe it will be at left guard, although if the incoming coach wants to keep him at Center, I will trust that. Long needs to be shut down now and go under the knife to fix his shoulder. However, the ankle surgery had so many complications, there is word he is scared to go under the knife again to fix his shoulder. If that is the case, Long is DONE. Sitton is getting older and while ok, needs to be replaced. For as much shit as Leno gets, he is perfect as a back up left tackle/swing tackle. Overpaid? Sure, but Bears have nothing but cap space and I am good with an overpriced backup with all that starting experience. However, going into this offseason, I draft the future LT in Rd 1, and somewhere starting in Rd 4, I pick up a starting center and another guard in this draft. I also pick up a Guard or two and another tackle in FA - not top end, but guys who can at least do the job, and sign them to short term deals as Pace does. You want to bridge the gap to the 2019 draft, where you should pick up a RT in one of the first 2 rounds. Aside from WR, the line is the weakest positions on the team. I know you drafted Jordan Morgan in the 5th round last year, but I am one who believes you need to draft either a tackle or guard every year in the mid rounds - to keep competition going and sort the wheat from the chaff. If Morgan can step up to fill in for Sitton or Long, great. Doesn't mean you shouldn't keep drafting tackles and guards, and may the best win.



    Secondary--E.Jackson, A.Amos, Q.Demps, K.Fuller, P.Amukamra, M.Cooper - I re-sign Prince. Demps can go, and Fuller I think I let walk - I think better teams figured out his aggressive tendencies and as we saw mid season, can use this to pick on him and wreck him. Not buying the contract fools gold. Eddie Jackson is finally a good starting safety, and Amos ideally is a backup. What we thought was a weakness going into 2017 actually ended up not being horrible, and that's thanks to who Pace signed in free agency. Fill in here in free agency.

    ILBer--D.Trevathon, J.Freeman, C.Jones, N.Kwiatkowski, J.Timu Freeman I believe will be gone due to his P.E.D. suspension issues. Some good players here. No superstars, but no one who would embarrass you either.

    OLB--L.Floyd, P.McPhee, W.Young - I think the Bears should draft an OLB in Rd 2. Also supplement with FA. 2018 draft should be geared towards rebuilding the O line, but getting an OLB in Rd 2 makes too much sense.

    D-Line--A.Hicks, E.Goldman, J.Bullard, M.Unrein, RRH - Bears are solid here. Hicks is a legit beast.



    So, the reality is this - for all this bitching about the Bears having a lack of talent, it is the offense that lacks talent, particularly O Line and WR. The talent they do have is mitigated by REALLY shit coaching.

    On defense, the Bears are actually ok. In 2016, Bears ranked 9th in D in terms of Points per game. This year so far in the same category, they rank 14th.

    While not lights out, the defense is good enough and not nearly as talent-deficient as people think.

    The Bears need WRs, O Line, and OLB. Beyond that, they need depth and some more playmakers at any position, and coaches that can bring it out of them. WRs and better coaches will make all the difference in the world, and even moreso if you can better protect your QB.

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    I'll take a stab at what I see:

    QB--Trubisky--Rookie QB playing like a rookie QB. Learning despite getting shit coaching and has unteachable accuracy and disposition. I believe he can be developed into a top level QB. That he was so badly mishandled by this coaching staff and not given more in pre-season/training camp is an indictment on this coaching staff. Get the right offensive HC in here and give him a full offseason with Trubisky, and you will see a Wentz-like jump.

    WR--Only decent receivers are Inman and Wright, and both are suited for Slot receiver. Inman has a better rapport with Trubisky and is a far superior route runner to Wright. I cut everyone but Cam and Inman this offseason, extend Inman, and pursue 2 FA WRs in the offseason. Team still will not have that dynamic WR threat as I draft OT in Rd 1 if best is on the board - the line needs to be rebuilt. I may draft a WR later in the draft, but I don't draft for the home run WR until 2019 - there was a draft statistic out there for a while that the best chances at getting a receiver are between 15-25, as 1-15 have a greater bust rate. And I don't anoint Cam the #1 WR. Cam will have to earn his spot all over again.

    RB--J.Howard/T.Cohen-- This is fine - both are playmakers, and Cohen has All pro ability, but needs a TON of coaching. In the right hands, he can be molded into a lethal weapon on offense.

    TE--D.Simms, A.Shaheen, D.Brown - Of the group, I like what little I have seen of Shaheen, but it is an indictment of the coaching staff that we do not see Shaheen more. I think Brown and Simms are replacement level, but you can find veteran tight ends off the street - smart play here is to see what the incoming head coach wants, and grab those TE types in free agency.

    O-line--C.Leno, J.Sitton, C.Whitehair, K.Long, Massie - Only Whitehair belongs on the line of the future here, and I believe it will be at left guard, although if the incoming coach wants to keep him at Center, I will trust that. Long needs to be shut down now and go under the knife to fix his shoulder. However, the ankle surgery had so many complications, there is word he is scared to go under the knife again to fix his shoulder. If that is the case, Long is DONE. Sitton is getting older and while ok, needs to be replaced. For as much shit as Leno gets, he is perfect as a back up left tackle/swing tackle. Overpaid? Sure, but Bears have nothing but cap space and I am good with an overpriced backup with all that starting experience. However, going into this offseason, I draft the future LT in Rd 1, and somewhere starting in Rd 4, I pick up a starting center and another guard in this draft. I also pick up a Guard or two and another tackle in FA - not top end, but guys who can at least do the job, and sign them to short term deals as Pace does. You want to bridge the gap to the 2019 draft, where you should pick up a RT in one of the first 2 rounds. Aside from WR, the line is the weakest positions on the team. I know you drafted Jordan Morgan in the 5th round last year, but I am one who believes you need to draft either a tackle or guard every year in the mid rounds - to keep competition going and sort the wheat from the chaff. If Morgan can step up to fill in for Sitton or Long, great. Doesn't mean you shouldn't keep drafting tackles and guards, and may the best win.



    Secondary--E.Jackson, A.Amos, Q.Demps, K.Fuller, P.Amukamra, M.Cooper - I re-sign Prince. Demps can go, and Fuller I think I let walk - I think better teams figured out his aggressive tendencies and as we saw mid season, can use this to pick on him and wreck him. Not buying the contract fools gold. Eddie Jackson is finally a good starting safety, and Amos ideally is a backup. What we thought was a weakness going into 2017 actually ended up not being horrible, and that's thanks to who Pace signed in free agency. Fill in here in free agency.

    ILBer--D.Trevathon, J.Freeman, C.Jones, N.Kwiatkowski, J.Timu Freeman I believe will be gone due to his P.E.D. suspension issues. Some good players here. No superstars, but no one who would embarrass you either.

    OLB--L.Floyd, P.McPhee, W.Young - I think the Bears should draft an OLB in Rd 2. Also supplement with FA. 2018 draft should be geared towards rebuilding the O line, but getting an OLB in Rd 2 makes too much sense.

    D-Line--A.Hicks, E.Goldman, J.Bullard, M.Unrein, RRH - Bears are solid here. Hicks is a legit beast.



    So, the reality is this - for all this bitching about the Bears having a lack of talent, it is the offense that lacks talent, particularly O Line and WR. The talent they do have is mitigated by REALLY shit coaching.

    On defense, the Bears are actually ok. In 2016, Bears ranked 9th in D in terms of Points per game. This year so far in the same category, they rank 14th.

    While not lights out, the defense is good enough and not nearly as talent-deficient as people think.

    The Bears need WRs, O Line, and OLB. Beyond that, they need depth and some more playmakers at any position, and coaches that can bring it out of them. WRs and better coaches will make all the difference in the world, and even moreso if you can better protect your QB.


    I like this assessment.

    On offense, I would add one big stud WR in FA - a big splash (Davante Adams?), re-sign Kendall Wright. Potential starting WR corp of Adams or top FA receiver/Cam/Inman/Wright/White. Sign a mid-level OT to push Massie. Draft a center/guard mid-round. Free up more cap space by releasing Glennon, Wheaton and maybe Sims too.

    On defense, release Freeoman and Cooper. Re-sign Prince, Fuller, Christian Jones. I would even re-sign Lamarr Houston if you can get him cheap. Draft a pass rush OLB/DE in the first round. A corner/safety in the second round. BPA after.

    The only spots that you really don't need to focus on are RB (Howard, Cohen, Cunningham) and DL (Unrein, Hicks, Goldman, Bullard leading the way).

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    I'll take a stab at what I see:

    QB--Trubisky--Rookie QB playing like a rookie QB. Learning despite getting shit coaching and has unteachable accuracy and disposition. I believe he can be developed into a top level QB. That he was so badly mishandled by this coaching staff and not given more in pre-season/training camp is an indictment on this coaching staff. Get the right offensive HC in here and give him a full offseason with Trubisky, and you will see a Wentz-like jump.

    WR--Only decent receivers are Inman and Wright, and both are suited for Slot receiver. Inman has a better rapport with Trubisky and is a far superior route runner to Wright. I cut everyone but Cam and Inman this offseason, extend Inman, and pursue 2 FA WRs in the offseason. Team still will not have that dynamic WR threat as I draft OT in Rd 1 if best is on the board - the line needs to be rebuilt. I may draft a WR later in the draft, but I don't draft for the home run WR until 2019 - there was a draft statistic out there for a while that the best chances at getting a receiver are between 15-25, as 1-15 have a greater bust rate. And I don't anoint Cam the #1 WR. Cam will have to earn his spot all over again.

    RB--J.Howard/T.Cohen-- This is fine - both are playmakers, and Cohen has All pro ability, but needs a TON of coaching. In the right hands, he can be molded into a lethal weapon on offense.

    TE--D.Simms, A.Shaheen, D.Brown - Of the group, I like what little I have seen of Shaheen, but it is an indictment of the coaching staff that we do not see Shaheen more. I think Brown and Simms are replacement level, but you can find veteran tight ends off the street - smart play here is to see what the incoming head coach wants, and grab those TE types in free agency.

    O-line--C.Leno, J.Sitton, C.Whitehair, K.Long, Massie - Only Whitehair belongs on the line of the future here, and I believe it will be at left guard, although if the incoming coach wants to keep him at Center, I will trust that. Long needs to be shut down now and go under the knife to fix his shoulder. However, the ankle surgery had so many complications, there is word he is scared to go under the knife again to fix his shoulder. If that is the case, Long is DONE. Sitton is getting older and while ok, needs to be replaced. For as much shit as Leno gets, he is perfect as a back up left tackle/swing tackle. Overpaid? Sure, but Bears have nothing but cap space and I am good with an overpriced backup with all that starting experience. However, going into this offseason, I draft the future LT in Rd 1, and somewhere starting in Rd 4, I pick up a starting center and another guard in this draft. I also pick up a Guard or two and another tackle in FA - not top end, but guys who can at least do the job, and sign them to short term deals as Pace does. You want to bridge the gap to the 2019 draft, where you should pick up a RT in one of the first 2 rounds. Aside from WR, the line is the weakest positions on the team. I know you drafted Jordan Morgan in the 5th round last year, but I am one who believes you need to draft either a tackle or guard every year in the mid rounds - to keep competition going and sort the wheat from the chaff. If Morgan can step up to fill in for Sitton or Long, great. Doesn't mean you shouldn't keep drafting tackles and guards, and may the best win.



    Secondary--E.Jackson, A.Amos, Q.Demps, K.Fuller, P.Amukamra, M.Cooper - I re-sign Prince. Demps can go, and Fuller I think I let walk - I think better teams figured out his aggressive tendencies and as we saw mid season, can use this to pick on him and wreck him. Not buying the contract fools gold. Eddie Jackson is finally a good starting safety, and Amos ideally is a backup. What we thought was a weakness going into 2017 actually ended up not being horrible, and that's thanks to who Pace signed in free agency. Fill in here in free agency.

    ILBer--D.Trevathon, J.Freeman, C.Jones, N.Kwiatkowski, J.Timu Freeman I believe will be gone due to his P.E.D. suspension issues. Some good players here. No superstars, but no one who would embarrass you either.

    OLB--L.Floyd, P.McPhee, W.Young - I think the Bears should draft an OLB in Rd 2. Also supplement with FA. 2018 draft should be geared towards rebuilding the O line, but getting an OLB in Rd 2 makes too much sense.

    D-Line--A.Hicks, E.Goldman, J.Bullard, M.Unrein, RRH - Bears are solid here. Hicks is a legit beast.



    So, the reality is this - for all this bitching about the Bears having a lack of talent, it is the offense that lacks talent, particularly O Line and WR. The talent they do have is mitigated by REALLY shit coaching.

    On defense, the Bears are actually ok. In 2016, Bears ranked 9th in D in terms of Points per game. This year so far in the same category, they rank 14th.

    While not lights out, the defense is good enough and not nearly as talent-deficient as people think.

    The Bears need WRs, O Line, and OLB. Beyond that, they need depth and some more playmakers at any position, and coaches that can bring it out of them. WRs and better coaches will make all the difference in the world, and even moreso if you can better protect your QB.
    That's a lot of work to try to convince me a 13-and-32 team is good on talent . . .

    . . . I'll look at the record . . .
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    I totally agree with Phillips leaving. He has singlehandedly killed our team by poor decisionmaking for years. Trestman was terrible, IMO.

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    That's a lot of work to try to convince me a 13-and-32 team is good on talent . . .

    . . . I'll look at the record . . .

    Bears, 49ers, Giants, Colts, Browns, and Broncos. Three or fewer wins, 19% of the NFL, these teams get an F. Six teams have at least 9 wins, they get an A.

    You can't go around handing out A+ to players because you know their back story and like them. If you want to give a player a B, you have to give five others an F, if the team gets an F, most of the players get an F.

    "but they have some talent"

    The 0-16 Lions had some talent, every team from every season "has some talent". This is stupid.
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    I'll take a stab at what I see:

    QB--Trubisky--Rookie QB playing like a rookie QB. Learning despite getting shit coaching and has unteachable accuracy and disposition. I believe he can be developed into a top level QB. That he was so badly mishandled by this coaching staff and not given more in pre-season/training camp is an indictment on this coaching staff. Get the right offensive HC in here and give him a full offseason with Trubisky, and you will see a Wentz-like jump.

    WR--Only decent receivers are Inman and Wright, and both are suited for Slot receiver. Inman has a better rapport with Trubisky and is a far superior route runner to Wright. I cut everyone but Cam and Inman this offseason, extend Inman, and pursue 2 FA WRs in the offseason. Team still will not have that dynamic WR threat as I draft OT in Rd 1 if best is on the board - the line needs to be rebuilt. I may draft a WR later in the draft, but I don't draft for the home run WR until 2019 - there was a draft statistic out there for a while that the best chances at getting a receiver are between 15-25, as 1-15 have a greater bust rate. And I don't anoint Cam the #1 WR. Cam will have to earn his spot all over again.

    RB--J.Howard/T.Cohen-- This is fine - both are playmakers, and Cohen has All pro ability, but needs a TON of coaching. In the right hands, he can be molded into a lethal weapon on offense.

    TE--D.Simms, A.Shaheen, D.Brown - Of the group, I like what little I have seen of Shaheen, but it is an indictment of the coaching staff that we do not see Shaheen more. I think Brown and Simms are replacement level, but you can find veteran tight ends off the street - smart play here is to see what the incoming head coach wants, and grab those TE types in free agency.

    O-line--C.Leno, J.Sitton, C.Whitehair, K.Long, Massie - Only Whitehair belongs on the line of the future here, and I believe it will be at left guard, although if the incoming coach wants to keep him at Center, I will trust that. Long needs to be shut down now and go under the knife to fix his shoulder. However, the ankle surgery had so many complications, there is word he is scared to go under the knife again to fix his shoulder. If that is the case, Long is DONE. Sitton is getting older and while ok, needs to be replaced. For as much shit as Leno gets, he is perfect as a back up left tackle/swing tackle. Overpaid? Sure, but Bears have nothing but cap space and I am good with an overpriced backup with all that starting experience. However, going into this offseason, I draft the future LT in Rd 1, and somewhere starting in Rd 4, I pick up a starting center and another guard in this draft. I also pick up a Guard or two and another tackle in FA - not top end, but guys who can at least do the job, and sign them to short term deals as Pace does. You want to bridge the gap to the 2019 draft, where you should pick up a RT in one of the first 2 rounds. Aside from WR, the line is the weakest positions on the team. I know you drafted Jordan Morgan in the 5th round last year, but I am one who believes you need to draft either a tackle or guard every year in the mid rounds - to keep competition going and sort the wheat from the chaff. If Morgan can step up to fill in for Sitton or Long, great. Doesn't mean you shouldn't keep drafting tackles and guards, and may the best win.



    Secondary--E.Jackson, A.Amos, Q.Demps, K.Fuller, P.Amukamra, M.Cooper - I re-sign Prince. Demps can go, and Fuller I think I let walk - I think better teams figured out his aggressive tendencies and as we saw mid season, can use this to pick on him and wreck him. Not buying the contract fools gold. Eddie Jackson is finally a good starting safety, and Amos ideally is a backup. What we thought was a weakness going into 2017 actually ended up not being horrible, and that's thanks to who Pace signed in free agency. Fill in here in free agency.

    ILBer--D.Trevathon, J.Freeman, C.Jones, N.Kwiatkowski, J.Timu Freeman I believe will be gone due to his P.E.D. suspension issues. Some good players here. No superstars, but no one who would embarrass you either.

    OLB--L.Floyd, P.McPhee, W.Young - I think the Bears should draft an OLB in Rd 2. Also supplement with FA. 2018 draft should be geared towards rebuilding the O line, but getting an OLB in Rd 2 makes too much sense.

    D-Line--A.Hicks, E.Goldman, J.Bullard, M.Unrein, RRH - Bears are solid here. Hicks is a legit beast.



    So, the reality is this - for all this bitching about the Bears having a lack of talent, it is the offense that lacks talent, particularly O Line and WR. The talent they do have is mitigated by REALLY shit coaching.

    On defense, the Bears are actually ok. In 2016, Bears ranked 9th in D in terms of Points per game. This year so far in the same category, they rank 14th.

    While not lights out, the defense is good enough and not nearly as talent-deficient as people think.

    The Bears need WRs, O Line, and OLB. Beyond that, they need depth and some more playmakers at any position, and coaches that can bring it out of them. WRs and better coaches will make all the difference in the world, and even moreso if you can better protect your QB.

    ^ ^ Great post. Nice use of facts to make a point...a rarity on here.

    DBs are probably better if they can keep Fuller (but not at top cost b/c of your comments). + Amos, Jackson, & Amukamra make a good starting 4.

    Need MLB, OLB, & pass rusher for sure. MOD/HIGH - MOD - HIGH need respectively


    OL - Long needs some senzu beans a'la Dragonball for sure. Hard to expect 100% even by next year. Both Gs won't last much longer, but are playable for now at least - Moderate need.

    WR - High need w/ Cam & White as zero risk wildcards.


    A good draft & FA should at least seal those holes.

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    While I understand this is a somewhat futile argument, if the Bears scored one more TD per game they’d be 7-5 or 8-4.
    (Insert any number of “if” jokes here)
    They’re clearly not capable of that this year but is it unrealistic to expect more scoring next year when Trubisky has more experience and hopefully better receivers and scheme?
    Someone countered the OP with all teams have some talent. That’s true and that’s why you see teams go from worst to first in the NFL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greg23 View Post
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    Do you watch this team and the games?

    We're awful on offense but fine at everybody but wr???

    Id argue that is the last position to worry about it you have a competent offsive coordinator with a dynamic system.....


    The oline is awful, this needs to be significantly upgraded.

    The te are below average (at best) and Sims is awful

    The rb are okay but Howard isn't explosive and turning nothing into something or making people miss and he's a zero in the passing game.

    Trubisky sure looks like he needs a lot of help to become an above avg qb; starting with a head coach/off coord/qb coach followed by a Dallas cowboys like oline (which we are not)

    The defense is fairly bland and avg without any dynamic playmakers on any level.....a bunch of nice complimentary pieces in trevathian, hicks; Floyd, Jackson but some alpha dogs and leaders are needed and God forbid anybody gets injured as the sam nachos of the world become starters.

    So yeah.....were severely lacking in elite level talent no matter how much you want to lie to yourself

    My bad man, sometimes i forget how dumb some people on here really are and they also have reading problems.

    You say i said we are fine everywhere but WR but somehow missed where i said we need a RT and that i said we need to bring back both K.Fuller and P.Amukamara and if not then we need to find a legit CB in free agency or the draft to replace them and where i said we need to find a Trevathon that can stay healthy and where i said we need a stud to play opposite of L.Floyd. Then in my last paragraph i clearly said if we can add a couple of play makers at the right positions (WR, OLB, Secondary) and add a couple other pieces (ILB, RT) we could make a turn around.

    Reading comprehension is good for the brain.

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    No, he is not. You already have a group of people that don't like you for a variety of reasons, so do I, making up ghosts of enemies past and seeing them everywhere is unnecessary and comes off as creepy.

    You're right I did mention him first ITT to take a shot at Teddy who thinks everyone is novak, you don't want to go there, it's a small, dark, sad place.
    Wait a minute......you don't like me? Well damn it all, there goes my day. What will i do with myself now....wah wah wah.

    Tell NoSack i said hi.......what am i saying, he'll see this post for himself.

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    The only spots that you really don't need to focus on are RB (Howard, Cohen, Cunningham) and DL (Unrein, Hicks, Goldman, Bullard leading the way).
    So basically, Pace needs to focus on 90% of the positions. That is not a team loaded with talent. We have very little talent.

    We have digressed since the rebuild started. We were decimated with injuries last year, yet the D was better last year. We were better in 2015 than we are now. We lack talent across the board save for RB and the DL. We are a fucking mess and nowhere even close to being pertinent again.

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    I'll take a stab at what I see:

    QB--Trubisky--Rookie QB playing like a rookie QB. Learning despite getting shit coaching and has unteachable accuracy and disposition. I believe he can be developed into a top level QB. That he was so badly mishandled by this coaching staff and not given more in pre-season/training camp is an indictment on this coaching staff. Get the right offensive HC in here and give him a full offseason with Trubisky, and you will see a Wentz-like jump.

    WR--Only decent receivers are Inman and Wright, and both are suited for Slot receiver. Inman has a better rapport with Trubisky and is a far superior route runner to Wright. I cut everyone but Cam and Inman this offseason, extend Inman, and pursue 2 FA WRs in the offseason. Team still will not have that dynamic WR threat as I draft OT in Rd 1 if best is on the board - the line needs to be rebuilt. I may draft a WR later in the draft, but I don't draft for the home run WR until 2019 - there was a draft statistic out there for a while that the best chances at getting a receiver are between 15-25, as 1-15 have a greater bust rate. And I don't anoint Cam the #1 WR. Cam will have to earn his spot all over again.

    RB--J.Howard/T.Cohen-- This is fine - both are playmakers, and Cohen has All pro ability, but needs a TON of coaching. In the right hands, he can be molded into a lethal weapon on offense.

    TE--D.Simms, A.Shaheen, D.Brown - Of the group, I like what little I have seen of Shaheen, but it is an indictment of the coaching staff that we do not see Shaheen more. I think Brown and Simms are replacement level, but you can find veteran tight ends off the street - smart play here is to see what the incoming head coach wants, and grab those TE types in free agency.

    O-line--C.Leno, J.Sitton, C.Whitehair, K.Long, Massie - Only Whitehair belongs on the line of the future here, and I believe it will be at left guard, although if the incoming coach wants to keep him at Center, I will trust that. Long needs to be shut down now and go under the knife to fix his shoulder. However, the ankle surgery had so many complications, there is word he is scared to go under the knife again to fix his shoulder. If that is the case, Long is DONE. Sitton is getting older and while ok, needs to be replaced. For as much shit as Leno gets, he is perfect as a back up left tackle/swing tackle. Overpaid? Sure, but Bears have nothing but cap space and I am good with an overpriced backup with all that starting experience. However, going into this offseason, I draft the future LT in Rd 1, and somewhere starting in Rd 4, I pick up a starting center and another guard in this draft. I also pick up a Guard or two and another tackle in FA - not top end, but guys who can at least do the job, and sign them to short term deals as Pace does. You want to bridge the gap to the 2019 draft, where you should pick up a RT in one of the first 2 rounds. Aside from WR, the line is the weakest positions on the team. I know you drafted Jordan Morgan in the 5th round last year, but I am one who believes you need to draft either a tackle or guard every year in the mid rounds - to keep competition going and sort the wheat from the chaff. If Morgan can step up to fill in for Sitton or Long, great. Doesn't mean you shouldn't keep drafting tackles and guards, and may the best win.



    Secondary--E.Jackson, A.Amos, Q.Demps, K.Fuller, P.Amukamra, M.Cooper - I re-sign Prince. Demps can go, and Fuller I think I let walk - I think better teams figured out his aggressive tendencies and as we saw mid season, can use this to pick on him and wreck him. Not buying the contract fools gold. Eddie Jackson is finally a good starting safety, and Amos ideally is a backup. What we thought was a weakness going into 2017 actually ended up not being horrible, and that's thanks to who Pace signed in free agency. Fill in here in free agency.

    ILBer--D.Trevathon, J.Freeman, C.Jones, N.Kwiatkowski, J.Timu Freeman I believe will be gone due to his P.E.D. suspension issues. Some good players here. No superstars, but no one who would embarrass you either.

    OLB--L.Floyd, P.McPhee, W.Young - I think the Bears should draft an OLB in Rd 2. Also supplement with FA. 2018 draft should be geared towards rebuilding the O line, but getting an OLB in Rd 2 makes too much sense.

    D-Line--A.Hicks, E.Goldman, J.Bullard, M.Unrein, RRH - Bears are solid here. Hicks is a legit beast.



    So, the reality is this - for all this bitching about the Bears having a lack of talent, it is the offense that lacks talent, particularly O Line and WR. The talent they do have is mitigated by REALLY shit coaching.

    On defense, the Bears are actually ok. In 2016, Bears ranked 9th in D in terms of Points per game. This year so far in the same category, they rank 14th.

    While not lights out, the defense is good enough and not nearly as talent-deficient as people think.

    The Bears need WRs, O Line, and OLB. Beyond that, they need depth and some more playmakers at any position, and coaches that can bring it out of them. WRs and better coaches will make all the difference in the world, and even moreso if you can better protect your QB.
    The Bears have talent but need play makers especially at WR, OLB and although we could win with this secondary it would be nice to have a play maker back there as well. E.Jackson could be that guy but hard to tell in his rookie season. We gotta have play makers though cause when you have those star players it rubs off on the guys around them. I'd like to see them let K.Fuller walk but only if they sign T.Johnson (Rams CB) in free agency and then bring Prince back as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoRisin View Post
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    So basically, Pace needs to focus on 90% of the positions. That is not a team loaded with talent. We have very little talent.

    We have digressed since the rebuild started. We were decimated with injuries last year, yet the D was better last year. We were better in 2015 than we are now. We lack talent across the board save for RB and the DL. We are a fucking mess and nowhere even close to being pertinent again.
    So there's no talent in D.Trevathon, C.Jones, E.Jackson, P.Amukamara, K.Fuller, L.Floyd, C.Whitehair, K.Long, J.Sitton, C.Leno, C.Meredith, M.Trubsiky, A.Shaheen......................Damn it man, i thought all those guys had some talent but i guess we should cut them all because they have no talent. Thanks for pointing that out cause i would have never noticed without you. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears70 View Post
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    So there's no talent in D.Trevathon, C.Jones, E.Jackson, P.Amukamara, K.Fuller, L.Floyd, C.Whitehair, K.Long, J.Sitton, C.Leno, C.Meredith, M.Trubsiky, A.Shaheen......................Damn it man, i thought all those guys had some talent but i guess we should cut them all because they have no talent. Thanks for pointing that out cause i would have never noticed without you. lol
    Define talent. Are these difference makers? We don't have a single guy in our secondary with more than 1 INT. Floyd flashes but he can't stay on the field and he's not consistent. I don't believe Meredith has a catch this year. Whitehair digressed. What has Shaheen shown you making you think he can be elite? Trevathon has been injured in each season with us and played like crap last year. He can't be counted on. Sitton is solid but old but overall, the OL, is not good. Jackson has potential but he's had some bad games and only has 1 INT too.

    Just because people play and start on the Bears does not mean they are making a difference. Those are all role players. That does not mean they have no talent. It means their talent level is not good enough to make us a winning team. We are a terrible team right now that lacks difference makers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoopster View Post
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    That's a lot of work to try to convince me a 13-and-32 team is good on talent . . .

    . . . I'll look at the record . . .
    Its not always about talent. A team that goes from 6-10 one year to 10-6 the next doesn't do so because one year they had no talent and the next suddenly they did. Just looking at the record is lazy. It doesn't bother to understand WHY a team is that record, and instead just caters to one's own preconceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoRisin View Post
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    Define talent. Are these difference makers? We don't have a single guy in our secondary with more than 1 INT. Floyd flashes but he can't stay on the field and he's not consistent. I don't believe Meredith has a catch this year. Whitehair digressed. What has Shaheen shown you making you think he can be elite? Trevathon has been injured in each season with us and played like crap last year. He can't be counted on. Sitton is solid but old but overall, the OL, is not good. Jackson has potential but he's had some bad games and only has 1 INT too.

    Just because people play and start on the Bears does not mean they are making a difference. Those are all role players. That does not mean they have no talent. It means their talent level is not good enough to make us a winning team. We are a terrible team right now that lacks difference makers.
    You used talent as a measuring stick, but now you want HIM to define it? How about YOU define it, so rather than arguing in circles we can get on the same page?

    1 question- where does talent end and coaching begin? To put it another way, how do you tell the difference between a player with no talent, and a poorly coached player who has talent?

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