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    Quote Originally Posted by beckdawg View Post
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    See I kinda agree with Cobb as a 5 but the problem i would have had is giving a #5 starter a 4-5 year deal for $15+ mil. If the cubs don't land Ohtani I'm not entirely sure what the play will be. Think you'll see some look toward Darvish/Arrieta and if they get too price think they attempt to trade for someone though not sure who that's going to be.
    Pretty sure it would end up a trade. I doubt Archer is off the table right now. So I would look at a TOR deal with control and age under 30. Fulmer would be another that I would look into with their rebuild. Then Stroman. Not sure if the Jays are selling the team so this one is unlikely in a team sell.

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    I like him better than cobb. He's an elite ground ball guy. His curve and cutter were pretty good for him last year. And unlike cobb he doesn't cost you IFA money/draft pick. 3 years is a little longer than I like but $12 mil AAV isn't that bad for a #5 starter with some upside.
    I'm pretty sure that Theo see's something in the stats that makes him think he can excel. I think you may be be right (don't know the stats) if the ground balls are correct. I've always said that you want good ground ball pitchers at Wrigley so I like this so far. I also like the 95 mph fastball he comes with. I always said that velocity can dictate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Pride View Post
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    I'm pretty sure that Theo see's something in the stats that makes him think he can excel. I think you may be be right (don't know the stats) if the ground balls are correct. I've always said that you want good ground ball pitchers at Wrigley so I like this so far. I also like the 95 mph fastball he comes with. I always said that velocity can dictate.
    He dropped his arm slot in Col. He was more over the top with a curve before but coors hates curves and hates ball movement.

    But the general thought is to get his arm slot up where his high spin rate will do what it is supposed to and also will create more downward movement on his curve.

    In coors he was forced into a cutter/sinker guy due to the park.

    I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes another Arrieta. He has the toolset Jake has and just needs some readjustments

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    Chatwood as a starter is basic and understanding but I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually a really good reliever. Could be valuable in a playoff situation after giving you 30+ starts and 175 innings as a fifth starter.

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    Now they have 3 candidates (Chatwood, Montgomery, Tseng) to cover #5 SP and 2 loogy positions.

    TOR SP type (Ohtani, Darvish, Arietta, trade) and closer (Davis, trade) are still key issues for the team going into 2018 season.

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    chatwood $13M salary in 2020 escalates to $15M if he makes all-star game in 2018 AND 2019 or receives 1 cy young vote in 2018 OR 2019. it escalates to $17M if receives 1 cy vote in 2018 AND 2019. so 2 writer votes could mean $4M. #cubs
    Nice to give a guy something to shoot for, if he makes one all star game he should be worth 18 million.

    Makes me wonder if they tried to do this with Jake, a lot of incentives over guarantees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
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    Now they have 3 candidates (Chatwood, Montgomery, Tseng) to cover #5 SP and 2 loogy positions.

    TOR SP type (Ohtani, Darvish, Arietta, trade) and closer (Davis, trade) are still key issues for the team going into 2018 season.
    Heard that Theo will talk to Jake and Wadeís agents in the meetings. Iím pretty sure if Theo can get both back at a palatable price it would be preferred. You know what you have with both.

    Chatwood honestly is intriguing. If he doesnít change his arm slot he is boring but from what Iíve read he was happy with the idea of fixing his mechanics and stabilizing out of Coors. He had to adjust for home games and never knew if his pitches would work that game. Getting out of there is the best thing for him and Iím pretty interested in seeing what he can bring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    He dropped his arm slot in Col. He was more over the top with a curve before but coors hates curves and hates ball movement.

    But the general thought is to get his arm slot up where his high spin rate will do what it is supposed to and also will create more downward movement on his curve.

    In coors he was forced into a cutter/sinker guy due to the park.

    I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes another Arrieta. He has the toolset Jake has and just needs some readjustments
    That's what I was thinking. I hope so!
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