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    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but the first 4 games were against 3 top 7 defenses and the Saints who are 12th. The last 4 games were against 3 of the bottom 10 defenses and the Eagles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noonthirtyjoe View Post
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    I think I hit a nerve. I just want this season over before Fox does any real damage. I am a big Trubs fan. Considering he is a rookie and that he has no help and bad coaching I think he looks good.
    Don't worry, because you're right.

    I wanted trubisky in the draft, I was excited when they traded up to get him because I thought he was the best qb prospect in the draft. But he has started to look to run instead of going through his progressions. And his mechanics have been shaky at times.

    One thing that bothers me a bit about trubisky, is that he seemingly has to load up to get a lot of zip on his throws. I thought his arm was a bit better than he's shown. It's not a huge concern, Brady doesn't have a rocket arm, a lot of great QBs don't. It's just something that has jumped out to me.

    I'd be stupid to not give him the benefit of the doubt considering his supporting cast, but if I were Pace and a QB he loves drops to the 4th round (which could happen, think Falk, stidham or Finley) I'd make the pick to ensure I had two guys I liked in the QB meetings.

    I still think trubisky is going to be really good, but he definitely has a long way to go. It's just hard to judge him until he gets better players around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legendxofxlink View Post
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    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but the first 4 games were against 3 top 7 defenses and the Saints who are 12th. The last 4 games were against 3 of the bottom 10 defenses and the Eagles
    Which actually speaks well of the Bears actual starters before injuries piled up, given that even those losses were close, having been a GL score away from beating ATL, and a ref TD robbery from Miller away from beating NO.

    Last 4 games were with lots of backups playing + league caught on to run-run-pass. No chance, but still within 1 score on all losses but 1 with Mitch (#1 PHI).


    Coaching will change. Guys will heal. Sky ain't falling. Let's chill til Aug, and enjoy some meaningless practice games til New Years then new coach hire & off-season moves.


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    My 2 cents
    He's a rookie
    stop over analyzing him when you all said this year was a gimme for him.
    OL/WR in far greater need of the obsessive compulsive hand-wringing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noonthirtyjoe View Post
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    I think I hit a nerve. I just want this season over before Fox does any real damage. I am a big Trubs fan. Considering he is a rookie and that he has no help and bad coaching I think he looks good.
    I get it butI was encouraged after last game. It looked like it was going the wrong direction the previous 2 weeks and he corrected himself. It doesn't look like much but it's a great big deal. I don't expect excellence this year with his supporting cast and 1 true G on the roster but I think he'll be OK. My biggest concern is the rush and lack of pocket he may be facing. What I'd like to see, is him being more decisive about when to scramble, run or throw. I'm sure it's made more difficult by not being able to throw to spots since our WRs are often beaten to them but I'd like to see quicker decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legendxofxlink View Post
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    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but the first 4 games were against 3 top 7 defenses and the Saints who are 12th. The last 4 games were against 3 of the bottom 10 defenses and the Eagles
    We were figured out after a few games. Run game has been non existent past few games. Not making excuses, but there are other factors included.

    The offense as a whole looks like shit, and Trubisky has a lot of work to do, as does the rest of the offense.

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    Inman is by far their best receiver and he wasn't even playing for the Chargers. He had two receptions for 9 yards prior to his first game as a Bear. Hopefully that gives people on this site some perspective but it probably won't.
    In those 8 games, Defense and Special Teams has scored as many TDs as Trubisky has thrown for. Hopefully that gives people on this site some perspective but it probably won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
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    In those 8 games, Defense and Special Teams has scored as many TDs as Trubisky has thrown for. Hopefully that gives people on this site some perspective but it probably won't.
    Yeah, that you can't comprehend the correlation between a QB & a WR.
    Why is it so hard for you all to understand that one massively affects the other?
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    Pace is all in on Trubisky. Now he needs to protect his investment with a hc/QB coach/oc who can really develop him. He looks like an unpolished rookie but he hasn't yet done anything to make me super-worried it was a bad pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
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    In those 8 games, Defense and Special Teams has scored as many TDs as Trubisky has thrown for. Hopefully that gives people on this site some perspective but it probably won't.
    Maybe Mitch should throw it up and run out and catch it.

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    Maybe Mitch should throw it up and run out and catch it.
    Inman and Wright are both professional athletes who have produced before in their careers. Cohen will even give you a ton of yards after the catch to pretty up those ugly numbers so letís stop pretending thereís nobody to throw to, okay?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
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    Inman and Wright are both professional athletes who have produced before in their careers. Cohen will even give you a ton of yards after the catch to pretty up those ugly numbers so let’s stop pretending there’s nobody to throw to, okay?


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    Stop, just stop. You very well know those guys would be a #2 and #3 at best on another team and more than likely a #3 and #4 receiver on good teams. As for Cohen whats it fucking matter if the offensive coordinator intentionally keeps him off the field because he doesn't like the coverages defenses play when Cohen is on the field. Its stupid.

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    Stop, just stop. You very well know those guys would be a #2 and #3 at best on another team and more than likely a #3 and #4 receiver on good teams. As for Cohen whats it fucking matter if the offensive coordinator intentionally keeps him off the field because he doesn't like the coverages defenses play when Cohen is on the field. Its stupid.
    Well, Cohen is there to be used in several ways.

    Blame Pace and Fox for lack of #1 wr, not injuries. Had no cause to depend on White and most would not have viewed Cameron Meredith as a #1 neither. He would have been a good #2 but the Bears not having a #1 was by design... or ignorance of the Pox regime.


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    I don't see any development since he is still not allowed to change plays. Knowing a defense is set up perfectly to stop what they are about to run and changing it is what a quarterback needs to do to develop. Coaches are confident that one of 3 receivers will be open and its up to him to find it. Well, don't think that's working much.
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    He's a rookie.

    He's a rookie.

    He's a rookie.


    Seriously, there's been enough good to give us some hope and enough bad to cause some concern. The next off season and training camp should give us a much better idea of what we have in Trubs.

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    In those 8 games, Defense and Special Teams has scored as many TDs as Trubisky has thrown for. Hopefully that gives people on this site some perspective but it probably won't.
    I would think watching MT's improvement over basically half a season and having an even rough understanding of the game of football/the context of his play would give people on this site perspective....

    Evidently, it hasn't.

    23k posts on this board and completely clueless about the game of football-now that's an accomplishment of sorts.

    It's just mind-blowing how insanely football dumb some people on here are, but then again there are a lot of dumb people walking around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phibbulous View Post
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    He's a rookie.

    He's a rookie.

    He's a rookie.


    Seriously, there's been enough good to give us some hope and enough bad to cause some concern. The next off season and training camp should give us a much better idea of what we have in Trubs.
    There are most certainly things he has to work on and improve upon. Can you point out though what it is that causes concern? Because I can't really say there is a particular singular aspect of his game play that has really made me think oh shit, maybe he isn't the guy. The closest I can come to putting my finger on something like that would be the sacks he takes and that is splitting hairs to come up with something since some have been coverage or containment sacks while others have been completely on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xer0h0ur View Post
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    Stop, just stop. You very well know those guys would be a #2 and #3 at best on another team and more than likely a #3 and #4 receiver on good teams. As for Cohen whats it fucking matter if the offensive coordinator intentionally keeps him off the field because he doesn't like the coverages defenses play when Cohen is on the field. Its stupid.
    That's being very generous of you even. Wright was struggling to find a team to play on and inman wasn't even sniffing the field in LA. But hey, they are 'professional athletes' as spartan says lmao. Tons of weapons on this team.

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    If any receiver was a #2 on a team, the team would be in need of an upgrade at the position.

    We also don't have anything close to a #1 TE....Simms is a quality #2, and after that it's an abyss despite some flashes lately.

    The line has been good, i'd grant that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theOHIOSTATE! View Post
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    If any receiver was a #2 on a team, the team would be in need of an upgrade at the position.

    We also don't have anything close to a #1 TE....Simms is a quality #2, and after that it's an abyss despite some flashes lately.

    The line has been good, i'd grant that.
    You heard of a guy named Adam Shaheen???

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    I'm going to say something that is not popular.

    Fox and Dowell are doing a decent job of developing the young players.

    Trubisky was never under center in college, so he did not have to make the drops. But he has been under center a lot and has learned a great deal from that.
    Shaheen was a poor blocker in college, but that is all he did for the vast majority of the season, now that his blocking skills have actually looked decent (better than Sims), he is being groomed in the passing game.

    While it is totally frustrating to wait till these guys develop, we are an instant gratification society, and I'm guilt as the next guy.

    Do I want Fox to remain, HELL NO! But he and his staff have not screwed up Trubisky, they have laid a solid foundation for the next coaching staff.
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    Mdbearz dared to say "But he and his staff have not screwed up Trubisky, they have laid a solid foundation for the next coaching staff." I don't see Trubisky as screwed up yet or heading that way, either. His last outing was a nice step forward. The obsession so many of us have is of course because the QB position is so freaking important. It seems like the SuperBowl winner is either a team with a top QB or one who is doing an imitation of that play during playoffs (hat tip to J. Flacco). There are exceptions (oddly, P. Manning his last year and T. Brady his first perhaps) but they are rare. The Bears franchise seem cursed to bad QB play and in this era that's doom. So, I at last, continue to obsess/fear/hope.

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