New staff will have it easy compared to last 2 staffs.

Noonthirtyjoe · Dec 8, 2017

Title says it all. This new staff will have it easy compared to the last 2 staffs. Tdog and Fox had a uphill battle like no ones business. They suck on their own but really look at the situation they had to deal with. Only Iron Mike himself has walked into such a good situation in Bears history as this new staff will have it. We got a young QB, we got money to spend, we got a very very good draft position, we got no contracts killing us, we got no expatiations. We have a team already 75% rebuilt and adding the right players coupled with better coaching should bring victories in the near future. At this point only a chosen few franchises have the talent to fumble this oppertunity and we are one of those chosen few. If this staff fails then we truly are the Browns West.

Agree or disagree that this staff has it easy compared to the last few?

Noonthirtyjoe · Dec 8, 2017

If you answer yes then you are exposed as a filthy Pace apologist.

Noonthirtyjoe · Dec 8, 2017

And if you say no then you are exposed as a hater troll.

Mitchapalooza · Dec 8, 2017

Did you give your account to a banned member or something?

WindyCity · Dec 8, 2017

There is so much baggage and apathy that while there is more talent, there is also more pressure.

A slow start in 2018 and people will be right back at Pace.

Teddy KGB · Dec 8, 2017

Noonthirtyjoe said:
Title says it all. This new staff will have it easy compared to the last 2 staffs. Tdog and Fox had a uphill battle like no ones business. They suck on their own but really look at the situation they had to deal with. Only Iron Mike himself has walked into such a good situation in Bears history as this new staff will have it. We got a young QB, we got money to spend, we got a very very good draft position, we got no contracts killing us, we got no expatiations. We have a team already 75% rebuilt and adding the right players coupled with better coaching should bring victories in the near future. At this point only a chosen few franchises have the talent to fumble this oppertunity and we are one of those chosen few. If this staff fails then we truly are the Browns West.

Agree or disagree that this staff has it easy compared to the last few?

I absolutely agree although maybe not to the extent that you say.

I don't think this roster is 75% built if you want to contend in the playoffs. But I do think that they can be playoff winners with two more drafts like the last two. I think with good coaching they make the playoffs next year.

Everything hinges on the new coach. If the new coach can unlock trubisky, then the Bears will be riding high for quite some time. If not then pace and the coach are toast. But that is exactly how it should be. If it ends in failure, then I cannot blame the process that pace used, only the selections of players and Personnel he chose.

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Teddy KGB · Dec 8, 2017

WindyCity said:
There is so much baggage and apathy that while there is more talent, there is also more pressure.

A slow start in 2018 and people will be right back at Pace.

You and others confused fan and media apathy with Team apathy. I guarantee you that with a new coach, if that coach is worth its salt, the team will be looking to do big things.

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Noonthirtyjoe · Dec 8, 2017

Mitchapalooza said:
Did you give your account to a banned member or something?

Yes or no? If you answer my question I will answer yours.

Noonthirtyjoe · Dec 8, 2017

WindyCity said:
There is so much baggage and apathy that while there is more talent, there is also more pressure.

A slow start in 2018 and people will be right back at Pace.

Is that a yes or no on this staff having it better?

Noonthirtyjoe · Dec 8, 2017

Teddy KGB said:
I absolutely agree although maybe not to the extent that you say.

I don't think this roster is 75% built if you want to contend in the playoffs. But I do think that they can be playoff winners with two more drafts like the last two. I think with good coaching they make the playoffs next year.

Everything hinges on the new coach. If the new coach can unlock trubisky, then the Bears will be riding high for quite some time. If not then pace and the coach are toast. But that is exactly how it should be. If it ends in failure, then I cannot blame the process that pace used, only the selections of players and Personnel he chose.

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75% is with Trubs being what we hope he is.

bearmick · Dec 8, 2017

Teddy KGB said:
I do think that they can be playoff winners with two more drafts like the last two. I think with good coaching they make the playoffs next year.

Add in much better injury luck and even a hater like me can agree with this.

Teddy KGB · Dec 8, 2017

bearmick said:
Add in much better injury luck and even a hater like me can agree with this.

Interesting thought that I've had; what if the issue with injuries isn't one of not having a proper training staff, but of an old-school coach like John Fox having the players practice in a manner that isn't conducive to staying healthy for much of the season?

I am very curious to see what happens when Pace finally gets his pick of coach. GM, coach, quarterback. That is the Trinity that all good franchises must have.

Any one not being up to Snuff can derail the whole thing.

I see promise in trubisky and while not a great GM, I do see Pace as a good enough GM given what he's landed in the draft. What I fail to see is adequate coaching.

I see drafted players showing skills and explosiveness, but lacking refinement and discipline. I see bad habits being formed, and a lack of an overall plan everyone is buying into.

All of those things are the domain of coaching. It is the main reason why I am optimistic that if Pace gets the right coach, the Bears will have a very good year next year.

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#FireEveryoneGeorge · Dec 8, 2017

Teddy -

John Fox brought the Strength & Conditioning coach with him from Demver. I would venture to guess that guy will be shown the door on Jan. 1 along with Fox.

I could be wrong, but I think the Sports Science crew is all Pace. But I don't think they are the ones to blame for the injuries. They help players with nutrition and other things outside of the weight room, from what I've gathered.

Mdbearz · Dec 9, 2017

I totally agree what new HC wants to come into a situation where:
No QB
No money
Late draft picks
A roster full of turds

While I think that the roster needs some improvement it is not a total wash. I would say just over half are guys you want back.

Imagine what we could be if we fix only OLB, RT and WR. With the money and picks we should be able to fix those positions and get some depth.

WindyCity · Dec 9, 2017

Noonthirtyjoe said:
Is that a yes or no on this staff having it better?

I think it is going to be a little better

3 years ago
-Less talent
-Less pressure
-More security (Pace was New as well)

Now
-More talent
-More pressure
-Less secutiy (Pace has taken some body blows)

Teddy KGB · Dec 9, 2017

mshu7 said:
Teddy -

John Fox brought the Strength & Conditioning coach with him from Demver. I would venture to guess that guy will be shown the door on Jan. 1 along with Fox.

I could be wrong, but I think the Sports Science crew is all Pace. But I don't think they are the ones to blame for the injuries. They help players with nutrition and other things outside of the weight room, from what I've gathered.

Really good to know.

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Teddy KGB · Dec 9, 2017

Mdbearz said:
I totally agree what new HC wants to come into a situation where:
No QB
No money
Late draft picks
A roster full of turds

While I think that the roster needs some improvement it is not a total wash. I would say just over half are guys you want back.

Imagine what we could be if we fix only OLB, RT and WR. With the money and picks we should be able to fix those positions and get some depth.

What team are you describing there?

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Mdbearz · Dec 9, 2017

Teddy KGB said:
What team are you describing there?

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The team I described is what we were just a few years ago. We are the opposite of that now.

We could not cut Jay Cutler because of the cap Implications and the team was set up as a 4-3 with hardly any play makers. Also we were winning enough games to take us out of the top ten.

MurrDogg34 · Dec 9, 2017

Noonthirtyjoe said:
Title says it all. This new staff will have it easy compared to the last 2 staffs. Tdog and Fox had a uphill battle like no ones business. They suck on their own but really look at the situation they had to deal with. Only Iron Mike himself has walked into such a good situation in Bears history as this new staff will have it. We got a young QB, we got money to spend, we got a very very good draft position, we got no contracts killing us, we got no expatiations. We have a team already 75% rebuilt and adding the right players coupled with better coaching should bring victories in the near future. At this point only a chosen few franchises have the talent to fumble this oppertunity and we are one of those chosen few. If this staff fails then we truly are the Browns West.

Agree or disagree that this staff has it easy compared to the last few?

While the team is not good, it is in a better position than it was 5 years ago. They have a QB with potential (might not hit it but you never know) and young talent (if you want to call it that) along with a load of cap space (we'll see if Pace uses it well this year). Hope Trest and Fox are the Bears version of Svuem and Renteria before the Cubs got Maddon (but I doubt it).

r1terrell23 · Dec 9, 2017

The only thing that is 75 percent rebuilt is Kevin White.

New staff will have it easy compared to last 2 staffs.

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