kyle fuller

pfcmsh · Dec 13, 2017

I agree with you. He has played so well this year I'd hate to lose him. He doesn't have the best hands. I don't think he is worth top money, but we should try to keep him because he had played like a stud this year.

nc0gnet0 · Dec 17, 2017

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iffybiz · Dec 17, 2017

You let Fuller go when you have someone better. Make him a good offer, if he doesn’t take it the you put the transition tag on him and match any reasonable offer.

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nc0gnet0 · Dec 17, 2017

iffybiz said:
You let Fuller go when you have someone better. Make him a good offer, if he doesn’t take it the you put the transition tag on him and match any reasonable offer.

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For sake of argument, define reasonable?

dabears70 · Dec 17, 2017

iffybiz said:
You let Fuller go when you have someone better. Make him a good offer, if he doesn’t take it the you put the transition tag on him and match any reasonable offer.

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Yeah this signing or not signing Fuller thing worries me. If we were just going off of what he's done this year i would say he should be a top 7-10 paid CB in the NFL but there's so much more to him then just what he's done this year. I want him back but agree with you in that if we don't have someone better than him that we know we can replace him with (M.Butler, T.Johnson) then we have to sign him whether it be a new contract or a tag.

jooo83 · Dec 17, 2017

"#1" type DBs are getting 30+ million in bonuses these days. That's a lot of cap space for a player that didn't do shit until his contract year (always a red flag). I think it is obvious that the right move is to franchise him.

xer0h0ur · Dec 17, 2017

jooo83 said:
"#1" type DBs are getting 30+ million in bonuses these days. That's a lot of cap space for a player that didn't do shit until his contract year (always a red flag). I think it is obvious that the right move is to franchise him.

? Do you even know what you're saying? Franchise tagging him is paying him not only #1 DB money, its paying him the average of top 5 highest paid DB money... Signing bonuses are prorated among the life of the contract. The Franchise tag is 100% counted against the cap for that year.

jooo83 · Dec 17, 2017

xer0h0ur said:
? Do you even know what you're saying? Franchise tagging him is paying him not only #1 DB money, its paying him the average of top 5 highest paid DB money... Signing bonuses are prorated among the life of the contract. The Franchise tag is 100% counted against the cap for that year.

It's the difference between a 1 year commitment and a long term one. It's bizarre that I would have to explain that to you. Thus, if he plays to form again you have a better "sample size" to extend him long term with confidence. The Bears should have a lot of cap space next year (combined with the fact that Fuller has only a single season of playing at a high level) so the moves makes sense.

xer0h0ur · Dec 17, 2017

Its Alshon Jeffery all over again. Are you blind? There is no purpose to exclusive franchise tagging him. If he signs a tag and refuses to re-sign a contract with you then you're renting him for a year with the inevitable outcome of...he gone. So unless you're drafting his replacement while you rent him for a year...its a pointless waste of money and cap space. Bizarre I would have to explain that to you.

Washington · Dec 17, 2017

I don't feel he's worth the tag but I'd be open minded about the transition tag.

xer0h0ur · Dec 17, 2017

MojoRisin said:
I don't feel he's worth the tag but I'd be open minded about the transition tag.

Exactly, the transition or non-exclusive franchise tags are what he should be slapped with. Use it to work a deal or get something out of him.

iffybiz · Dec 17, 2017

nc0gnet0 said:
For sake of argument, define reasonable?

4 years 40-48 million, 20 million bonus

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nc0gnet0 · Dec 17, 2017

iffybiz said:
4 years 40-48 million, 20 million bonus

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I think that is a bit high IMHO, at least on what would expect of the guaranteed money aspect of a contract like that (most likely 36 mil)

xer0h0ur · Dec 17, 2017

Take a look at this https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/

Should give you some perspective.

nc0gnet0 · Dec 17, 2017

xer0h0ur said:
Take a look at this https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/

Should give you some perspective.

Yes, but that depends on where you would slot him talent wise on that list?

xer0h0ur · Dec 17, 2017

nc0gnet0 said:
Yes, but that depends on where you would slot him talent wise on that list?

The funny thing about the NFL right now is that players are paid slightly based on their past but heavily based on their potential future as well. Where they are age-wise in their NFL careers has a lot to say about it.

nc0gnet0 · Dec 17, 2017

xer0h0ur said:
The funny thing about the NFL right now is that players are paid slightly based on their past but heavily based on their potential future as well. Where they are age-wise in their NFL careers has a lot to say about it.

You have to take into account the Ryan pace - Alshon negotiations as well though.

xer0h0ur · Dec 17, 2017

nc0gnet0 said:
You have to take into account the Ryan pace - Alshon negotiations as well though.

Oh, clearly if you read this thread I have.

dreadpirateroberts · Dec 18, 2017

The contract situation with Fuller is tricky. On one hand, you want to keep the guy because he's been solid for most of the year and there aren't really any great FA options. On the other hand, he'll probably want more than what he's really worth and you worry that if you give him that type of money, he could regress back to his old form, which isn't pretty. If Pace wants to give him a multi-year deal, you hope that he'll set it up to where they can cut him with a small cap hit if they want to.

iffybiz · Dec 18, 2017

nc0gnet0 said:
I think that is a bit high IMHO, at least on what would expect of the guaranteed money aspect of a contract like that (most likely 36 mil)

I think you’re a bit low, the transition tag would be about 14 million per year. 8 per year isn’t going to cut it. Prince is making 7 on a prove it deal. If the Bears could get them at about 10 million each that’d be great.

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