Making the case for Bears to hire Matt LaFleur in 2018

legendxofxlink · Dec 14, 2017

John Defilippo HC/OC
Chuck Pagano DC
Josh McCown QB coach

Pagano could be a great mentor for Flip as a HC. I don't think McCown will want to come back after this recent injury, he has had 2 separate stints with Flip in his career and he's already went to coaching before, it's what he wants to do post retirement. This would be a perfect scenario for Pace and Trubisky IMO.

Omeletpants · Dec 14, 2017

You sure you want a Frenchie as head coach?

PolarBear · Dec 14, 2017

mshu7 said:
Have you ever listened to him speak? He’s worse than Trestman when it comes to commanding a room. He might know offense but he is not at all HC material. He would be a huge disaster.

Forget what you know about Bill Belicheck and listen to him at the podium.

Doesn't mean jack.

dag54 · Dec 14, 2017

HawkBear said:
This is pretty much how I feel about him and tbh alot of the potential HCs like Flip, Reich, Carmichael. Carmichael might be calling plays this year, but it's Peyton's offense. I'm all for finding a young innovative OC to be the next HC, but I at least want them to have some playcalling experience and not just be riding the coattails of the HC. Nagy has taken over the play calling for the Chiefs so he will have a nice audition the rest of the season.

At this point, I like Shurmur over the rest of the young OCs who don't call plays.

Carmichael was the playcaller for the Saints in 2012, when Payton was suspended the entire year for bountygate. That year the offense finished second in yardage per game, and third in scoring.

legendxofxlink · Dec 14, 2017

dag54 said:
Carmichael was the playcaller for the Saints in 2012, when Payton was suspended the entire year for bountygate. That year the offense finished second in yardage per game, and third in scoring.

Aaron Kromer was the HC, let's just bring him back, he was obviously the brains of the organization.

Monsieur Tirets · Dec 14, 2017

lafluer is my guy.

and this bs about alanta letting him go is just that... bs. he was a QB coach and was promoted to OC, alanta had no say in it.

Mjiton · Dec 15, 2017

Omeletpants said:
You sure you want a Frenchie as head coach?

Adipost · Dec 15, 2017

Monsieur Tirets said:
lafluer is my guy.

and this bs about alanta letting him go is just that... bs. he was a QB coach and was promoted to OC, alanta had no say in it.

That’s not true. The Falcons could have chose to promote him themselves, but they went with someone else. And then they could have chosen to keep him on as QB coach, but they decided to let the Rams have him. They could have blocked the move.

#FireEveryoneGeorge · Dec 15, 2017

dag54 said:
Carmichael was the playcaller for the Saints in 2012, when Payton was suspended the entire year for bountygate. That year the offense finished second in yardage per game, and third in scoring.

While play-calling is a great asset, I'd rather the next HC be able to lead a team.

#FireEveryoneGeorge · Dec 15, 2017

PolarBear said:
Forget what you know about Bill Belicheck and listen to him at the podium.

Doesn't mean jack.

I agree with your "podium" principal, but what we see with Belicheck in front of a podium isn't the real Belicheck because he hates the media. There's enough evidence out there to prove that he's a completely different coach when he's not in front of the media.

But there's no evidence that Carmichael isn't the introverted nerd that he seems to be whether he's in front of a camera or not. In fact, Drew Brees even said that he Carmichael likes to work in the background. That right there tells me he is not fit to be a HC. Carmichael may in fact be a great play-caller, but he is not fit to be a HC.

Visionman · Dec 15, 2017

mshu7 said:
I agree with your "podium" principal, but what we see with Belicheck in front of a podium isn't the real Belicheck because he hates the media. There's enough evidence out there to prove that he's a completely different coach when he's not in front of the media.

But there's no evidence that Carmichael isn't the introverted nerd that he seems to be whether he's in front of a camera or not. In fact, Drew Brees even said that he Carmichael likes to work in the background. That right there tells me he is not fit to be a HC. Carmichael may in fact be a great play-caller, but he is not fit to be a HC.

If Carmichael likes to work in the background, then he would know himself that being a HC does not suit him. SO unless he's just in it for the $$$, he would never put himself up for that type of position. But personally, I don't buy it. Just because you have a more introverted personality doesn't mean you can't be an effective leader. In fact, many of the greatest leaders in history have tended to lean to the introverted side...

#FireEveryoneGeorge · Dec 15, 2017

Visionman said:
If Carmichael likes to work in the background, then he would know himself that being a HC does not suit him. SO unless he's just in it for the $$$, he would never put himself up for that type of position. But personally, I don't buy it. Just because you have a more introverted personality doesn't mean you can't be an effective leader. In fact, many of the greatest leaders in history have tended to lean to the introverted side...

We're not talking about leading in politics, we're talking about leading a bunch of rich, entitled athletes (not all, but a lot). The NFL is a different ball game. Trestman is the perfect example of this. He won championships in the CFL. Comes to the NFL for a few years and fails miserably as HC and OC. Then goes back to the CFL and won another championship. Leading NFL players is not the same as leading people in other walks of life.

Visionman · Dec 15, 2017

mshu7 said:
We're not talking about leading in politics, we're talking about leading a bunch of rich, entitled athletes (not all, but a lot). The NFL is a different ball game. Trestman is the perfect example of this. He won championships in the CFL. Comes to the NFL for a few years and fails miserably as HC and OC. Then goes back to the CFL and won another championship. Leading NFL players is not the same as leading people in other walks of life.

No, it isn't. But to think there is only one type of personality that can do it is foolish. You may have a personal preference of what you'd like a HC to be like, but that's all it is...a preference.

WindyCity · Dec 15, 2017

Adipost said:
That’s not true. The Falcons could have chose to promote him themselves, but they went with someone else. And then they could have chosen to keep him on as QB coach, but they decided to let the Rams have him. They could have blocked the move.

I think it is a fair question why he was passed over by the Falcons so they could hire a drunk who had never called NFL plays.

Not that it eliminates him from contention, but something that needs to be asked.

#FireEveryoneGeorge · Dec 15, 2017

Visionman said:
No, it isn't. But to think there is only one type of personality that can do it is foolish. You may have a personal preference of what you'd like a HC to be like, but that's all it is...a preference.

I never once said there's only one personality type that works, so I'm not sure what to tell ya.

WindyCity · Dec 15, 2017

I love what the Rams do on offense. Love every damn thing about it.

I just need to know how much of it is Lafleur and what the hell happened in Atlanta.

SharingLungs99 · Dec 15, 2017

I hope we hire him just so I can say, "Save yourself the embarrassment of losing with these losers in Las Vegas LaFleur."

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Monsieur Tirets · Dec 15, 2017

Adipost said:
That’s not true. The Falcons could have chose to promote him themselves, but they went with someone else. And then they could have chosen to keep him on as QB coach, but they decided to let the Rams have him. They could have blocked the move.

i dont think thats correct. i dont think a team can blocked a move from QB coach to OC, but can only block parallel moves. and he likely already knew he had the rams OC job long before it was actually announced after the falcons lost the SB. hell, Shanahan might have hired him if he had an OC but he decided not to hire one period.

that article comes from a falcons site from some random source and sounds like a lot of bs.

WindyCity · Dec 16, 2017

Monsieur Tirets said:
i dont think thats correct. i dont think a team can blocked a move from QB coach to OC, but can only block parallel moves. and he likely already knew he had the rams OC job long before it was actually announced after the falcons lost the SB. hell, Shanahan might have hired him if he had an OC but he decided not to hire one period.

that article comes from a falcons site from some random source and sounds like a lot of bs.

The guy quotes is one of their longest tenured beat guys.

All assistant coaching positions are the same. The Eagles blocked DeFilippo from becoming the Jets OC last season. The Bears tried to hire the Packers QB coach to be OC (Clements) and were blocked.

Spitta Andretti · Jun 2, 2021

We'll see how he does without an Aaron Rodgers at QB

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