The case for R.Pace

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I know, another thread about if R.Pace has done a good or bad job with the Bears, but i like how this one was written and how detailed it is by Adam Hoge.

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LAKE FOREST, Ill. — When the Bears lost 15-14 to the San Francisco 49ers on Dec. 3, there was a sudden shift in attention toward general manager Ryan Pace, who otherwise was avoiding most of the blame for another underachieving season.

While head coach John Fox was taking the hits for the team’s then 3-9 record, the loss to the 49ers reflected poorly on the GM because it was former kicker Robbie Gould and Arlington Heights native Jimmy Garoppolo who did most of the damage.

But no one should be fired over one game and there are many valid reasons why Pace has managed to escape blame for the current state of the Chicago Bears. Three years ago, I made the case for and against keeping then-GM Phil Emery. The list of reasons for letting him go was much longer, and two days later the McCaskey family cleaned house at Halas Hall.

Almost three years into the next GM tenure, it’s reasonable to take an even more in-depth look at the job Pace has done in the same time frame. The evaluation is split into five parts: the record, the coaching hire, the NFL Draft, free agency and the football building (a.k.a. everything else and everyone else he oversees).

The Record
13-32. It’s not good. There’s no getting around that.

No one was too upset about 2015’s 6-10 campaign. The word “playoffs” was actually being tossed around in early December after the Bears beat the Packers at Lambeau Field on Thanksgiving, but that may end up being Fox’s signature win as the Bears head coach. They finished the season 1-4, starting a spiral the Bears still have not escaped.

2016 served as a reality check. Injuries hit the team hard and the lack of depth was exposed, a weakness everyone was aware of given how Pace had torn down the roster he inherited. 3-13 wasn’t what everyone was hoping for, but it did give Pace a huge asset with the No. 3 overall pick. “We are never going to be in this position again, but we better take advantage of it while we’re here,” he said.

Which brings us to 2017, where the Bears are once again threatening for a top five draft pick. There’s no doubt Pace’s team has underachieved this season, but how much of that is on the players, how much of that is on the coaching staff and how much of that is on the GM? And are there enough signs of hope to suggest that the Bears are about to turn the corner?

“The Record” conclusion: It’s not good enough, but there’s reason to believe it will improve in 2018.

The Coaching Hire
If Pace decides to make a coaching change at the end of the month, Fox will go down as one of the worst head coaches in franchise history from a record standpoint. Before the Bears beat the Bengals Sunday, Fox had the lowest winning percentage in franchise history.

But does that really mean Fox has been a disaster? He obviously hasn’t won enough games and his personnel and in-game decisions leave much to be desired, but there’s also a reasonable case to be made that Fox was a good coach to come in and help rebuild a culture that was destroyed under Phil Emery and Marc Trestman.

It’s important to remember that Fox was coaching in a playoff game just a couple days after Pace was hired. Had the Broncos beat the Colts that weekend, there’s a good chance he never would have been the head coach of the Chicago Bears. Pace is ultimately responsible for the hire, but he was being advised by Fox’s buddy Ernie Accorsi and shared another close friend in New Orleans head coach Sean Payton. He was also several weeks behind other teams who made a head coaching change. Remember, the Bears had actually conducted several head coaching interviews before Pace was even hired.

Let’s also not have revisionist history here. Fox was clearly the most qualified candidate for the job and had a history of turning around both the Carolina Panthers and Denver Broncos. Compared to Emery hiring Marc Trestman over Bruce Arians, Fox was a perfectly sensible hire, even if it made for a somewhat odd pairing between a veteran head coach and the youngest GM in the NFL.

“The Coaching Hire” conclusion: The logic behind hiring Fox was sound, the results just haven’t been as rewarding. Pace deserves the chance to conduct his own exhaustive coaching search that he is in charge of from the start. That will be the hire he is ultimately judged on.

The Draft
So-so first rounders
WR Kevin White — Three years into Kevin White’s career, the wide receiver has 21 catches and zero touchdowns in just five games. It’s unfortunate that three broken bones have kept his NFL career from barely starting, but Pace’s first draft pick has to be considered a miss at this point. Maybe White will return in 2018 and deliver a season similar to what former first-round pick Kyle Fuller is doing in his fourth season, but that can’t be counted on at this point.

OLB Leonard Floyd — Floyd oozes potential with a lengthy frame and elite speed as a pass rusher, but concerns about how his lanky body would hold up at the NFL level have been somewhat validated. When 2017 is over, Floyd will have played 22 of a possible 32 games with 11.5 sacks. Perhaps another offseason will lead to a breakout 2018 season, but Pro Bowl expectations were not met this year.

QB Mitchell Trubisky — Despite an early 3-6 record, Trubisky has six touchdowns and just three interceptions in a flawed offense that lacks dynamic receiving options. While his overall completion percentage is 58.2, he’s completed 64.1 percent of his passes over his last five games. All things considered, Trubisky is having a good rookie season and his competitive makeup and obsessive work ethic suggest he is going to have a successful NFL career.

Encouraging second rounders
NT Eddie Goldman — Injuries prevented Goldman from breaking out in 2016, but he’s been one of the more underrated defensive players in the NFL this season. He’s exactly what you want from a 3-4 nose tackle and could be a candidate for an extension in the offseason.

C Cody Whitehair — After a promising rookie season, the Bears experimented with Whitehair at guard and that led to some early-season struggles at both guard and center. But the second-year offensive lineman has settled in the last few weeks and delivered some very strong performances at center, which should be his cemented position going forward. Whitehair and Trubisky could form a longterm battery for the Bears.

TE Adam Shaheen — Making a big jump from Division II to the NFL, Shaheen still has managed three touchdowns in very limited playing time. The coaching staff has been careful not to put too much on his plate as a rookie and you can debate whether or not that has slowed down his development. Shaheen looked downright dominant at times last summer and, with the right coaching, could still be a big time threat at tight end. Also encouraging: his blocking has improved steadily throughout the season.

Middle-round hits
Good general managers build depth in the middle and late rounds of the draft and Pace has done a pretty good job with later picks. 2016 fifth-rounder Jordan Howard remains the gem, becoming the first running back in Bears history to rush for 1,000 yards in each of his first two seasons. 2015 fifth-rounder Adrian Amos is having a breakout season this year and has a chance to remain a future starter at safety next to 2017 fourth-rounder Eddie Jackson, who figures to be around for a long time. 2016 third-rounder Jonathan Bullard and 2016 fourth-rounder Nick Kwiatkoski are currently fringe starters who could become regulars if surrounded by the right talent around them. And then there’s 2017 fourth-rounder Tarik Cohen, already the most electric weapon on offense.

Of course, you’re never going to hit on all of your mid-to-late round picks (Jeremy Langford and Daniel Braverman, for example) and the jury is still out on players like Deon Bush, Deiondre’ Hall and DeAndre Houston-Carson, but they are at least decent contributors on special teams when healthy.

“The Draft” conclusion: GMs are ultimately judged by first-round picks and quarterbacks drafted. The fact that White and Floyd haven’t developed into top-tier players is not a great look for Pace, but Floyd still has the potential to break out. More importantly, the early returns on Trubisky are promising and that’s enough to overlook Pace’s first two top picks for now, especially with zero second-round busts and a handful of really good mid-to-late round picks. Overall, Pace has just one Pro Bowl to show for his 20 picks, but it’s not unreasonable to think Floyd, Trubisky, Cohen, Goldman, Whitehair, Jackson and even Shaheen could see a Pro Bowl in their future. They at least have the potential to do so.

It’s important not to give Pace too much credit just because he’s drafting better than the Bears’ last two GMs (that’s not a high bar), but there’s more to like than dislike from his first three draft classes. Frankly, it would be reckless to fire a GM with these results over three years in a league driven by the draft.

Free Agency
The Hits

Akiem Hicks is the obvious gem of Pace’s three free agency classes. The GM had history with Hicks in New Orleans and knew he would be a much better fit in Vic Fangio’s defensive scheme. Despite a last-minute plea from Bill Belichick, Hicks opted for a reunion with Pace and was rewarded with a huge contract right before the 2017 regular season began. It will be a shame if Hicks isn’t selected for the Pro Bowl.

Other solid signings include cornerbacks Prince Amukamara and Tracy Porter, guard Josh Sitton and linebacker Danny Trevathan (Fox deserves some credit for the Trevathan signing too).

Many have criticized the Pernell McPhee signing, but despite the injuries, he has been a tough, mostly-effective player and is a respected leader in the locker room. Bobby Massie has also been a serviceable right tackle, although it would be wise to look for a younger upgrade in the offseason.

Pace also re-upped special-teams ace Sherrick McManis, tight end Zach Miller and brought in linebacker Sam Acho and defensive lineman Mitch Unrein, both of whom have been steady players on both defense and special teams.

The Misses

Unfortunately there’s a lengthy list of misses that includes Eddie Royal, Antrel Rolle, Alan Ball, Jerrell Freeman, Marcus Cooper and Markus Wheaton, but let’s focus on the decisions that were really problematic.

Remember Ray McDonald? That was one of Pace’s first moves and it can probably be classified as a rookie mistake. The GM had well-respected defensive coordinator Vic Fangio vouching for McDonald and this was a rare situation where ownership probably should have stepped in and nixed the idea.

Among all the moves, the signing of Mike Glennon is the hardest to defend, and I legitimately tried to when he was signed. Watching the film, I understood why Pace saw a potential starter, but the money was hard to justify and drafting Trubisky put Glennon in an impossible situation. Glennon would have had to play like an MVP candidate to silence calls for Trubisky and while the veteran may have been a decent starter in a better situation, he was never going to be an All-Pro. The ironic thing about all this is that Glennon would actually be a good backup for Trubisky going forward, but it seems unrealistic to pay a backup $15 million in 2018 and one has to imagine Glennon wants to be in a situation where he can compete for a starting job. He’s better than what he showed in his four starts with the Bears, but this signing was questionable to begin with and became doomed the moment Trubisky was drafted.

Meanwhile, the two position groups Pace can’t seem to figure out are kicker and wide receiver. No one can blame him for getting rid of Brandon Marshall and it was obvious Alshon Jeffery wanted to move on. Fine. But he has struggled mightily to replace them. Cameron Meredith was a great find as an undrafted free agent, but asking him to be the No. 1 target is unfair. Wide receiver is arguably the No. 1 priority in 2018.

As for the kicker position, it has been a disaster since Robbie Gould was let go. Many general managers defer to their special teams coordinators when it comes to the evaluation of kickers, punters and long snappers, but Gould should have at least been given a few games in 2016 to work out his training camp struggles. He earned at least that much as the franchise’s all-time leading scorer. But putting the Gould-sentiment aside, Pace has failed to find a suitable replacement. Barth wasn’t good enough, Cairo Santos was injured and Mike Nugent missing his first extra point attempt wasn’t exactly encouraging. And then there was Roberto Aguayo. Oh, Roberto Aguayo.

“Free agency” conclusion: There are certainly way more misses than hits, but Pace also understands that good NFL teams are not built through free agency. He’s been reluctant to hand out big money, knowing that more times than not, free agents don’t work out. Most of the longterm contracts have been laced with incentives and structured with team-friendly outs, while the short-term contracts have been built as “prove-it” deals. In Hicks’ case, he did prove it and was rewarded. Other players will take note of that.

Glennon received the biggest contract Pace has handed out in free agency, but the $45 million total in his deal is only the 24th biggest contract an NFL free agent has received since Pace took over as general manager and the $18.5 million guaranteed ranks 39th in that same time frame.

If it seems like the majority of Pace’s free agent signings aren’t on the field, it’s because that’s true. According to OverTheCap.com, the Bears currently rank 30th in contract utilization, a metric that measures return on investment based on playing time.

But while Pace has had his fair share of free agent misses, none of them are damaging the franchise longterm. The Bears still have plenty of cap room and won’t be prohibited from executing future contracts because of cap issues. That’s important to keep in mind.

Which leads us to another part of the discussion…

The Football Building
While Pace has been measured in his free agent approach, the Bears reportedly were after high-priced free agents like Janoris Jenkins in 2016 and Stephon Gilmore in 2017. Did Pace bow out because the price got too steep or are the Bears struggling to attract big-time free agents? Why did Alshon Jeffery want to leave?

These are fair questions to ask, but Bears fans should be encouraged by what Pace is doing about it. He arrived in Chicago with a firm vision of what the Bears needed to be a premier NFL franchise. The implementation has been somewhat slow, but that’s not his fault. He quickly created over 30 new positions in his first year, including support staff, sports science staff and an overhaul of the athletic training staff (with mixed results, admittedly). Understand that just locally, the Bears were behind Northwestern when it came to utilizing new technology like virtual reality and Catapult GPS monitoring devices to track training loads. And when Northwestern’s new football facility opens this spring, it will make Halas Hall look like a high school building.

But Pace is working on that too. Perhaps the Bears’ most promising news of 2017 was the 162,500 square-foot expansion of Halas Hall that the organization oddly announced at 4:30 p.m. on a Friday evening with zero fanfare and minimal publicity. But despite the low-key announcement, the dump trucks have already invaded Lake Forest and the new facility is scheduled to be completed in time for the 2019 regular season. The renderings are impressive and should help attract and keep players in Chicago.

Pace also deserves credit for the scouting staff he assembled. Director of player personnel Josh Lucas and assistant director of player personnel Champ Kelly are both highly respected and Pace’s initial director of college scouting, Joe Douglas, was so coveted that the Eagles managed to pry him away after just one season. Douglas is now considered a potential GM candidate in league circles. Pace quickly promoted Mark Sadowski, who has been with the Bears so long that he can claim some credit for the Bears drafting Devin Hester and Greg Olsen (Sadowski was the Bears’ southeast area scout at the time). Contract negotiator Joey Laine also gets credit for the team-friendly structure of most of the Bears’ free agent contracts.

Another thing working in Pace’s favor is his reputation inside Halas Hall. He treats employees and players with respect and receives it in return. By comparison, Emery alienated many inside and outside Halas Hall — including well-respected players like Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs — which played a factor in his dismissal.

“The Football Building” conclusion: Other than valid questions about the Bears’ injury epidemic and how much blame should go around, there isn’t much to criticize when it comes to the culture and football operations department Pace has built. His fingerprints are all over the Halas Hall expansion plans, which should fix one of the crucial areas the Chicago Bears are trailing the rest of the league. It’s not exactly a secret that the franchise tends to live in the past, but Pace has a vision for the future that should be trusted.

The Overall Verdict:
If you’re scoring at home, you’d probably give Pace points for “the draft” and “the football building” and deduct points for “the record” and “free agency.” As for the “coaching hire,” Pace deserves the opportunity to hire his own guy — the right man to develop his prized quarterback.

And in the end, that’s ultimately what Pace will be judged on: his second coaching hire and Mitch Trubisky. So far, the early returns on Trubisky are encouraging enough that it would be irresponsible to fire the man who drafted him. And if that’s not convincing enough, think of it this way: How do you fire a GM that appears to have hit on at least four of five draft picks from this year, including the most important position in sports?

You can’t. Which is why the Bears won’t.
 

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This would be a nice place to add this as well.


Ignore history? Repeat.
It’s almost an exact timeline of what the Bears have experienced over the past three years. Don’t be fooled by what Pace or Fox say to the media. There has definitely been some friction between the two in regards to roster composition. One source told me some of that centered around one of the teams’ most recent flops.

“FOX WANTED GLENNON. PACE WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. BEARS WERE THE ONLY TEAM INTERESTED. PACE HAD A BLUEPRINT. HE WANTED A TOP CORNER TO SIGN, A TOP RECEIVER, TOP SAFETY AND A CHEAP VETERAN QB.”

This would back up the story that Pace had plans to go quarterback in the draft and wanted to prepare the roster for that eventuality. Fox though is a known hater of rookie QBs as evidenced by his inability to develop one. Every time he’s had a chance to get a younger passer, he’s instead gone for veteran free agents. Jake Delhomme in Carolina and Peyton Manning in Denver. Pursuing Glennon was right up his alley. A perfect way to bypass the idea of drafting a rookie.

Then Pace went ahead and did it anyway without Fox’s knowledge. In the end their differing philosophies failed to mesh, as is so often the case in the NFL. That’s why Pace needs to make a change and find somebody who thinks more like him.
 

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Yeesh, far too much reading for me at work.

Case against Pace is simple:

Coaching hire: Fox seemed to forget how or just quit trying to coach. Pace either hired him or was talked into hiring him. It did not pan out so either way, he isn't exactly off the hook imo.

Drafts: 1 bad draft followed by a couple "good ones". Maybe so. I put it in quotes because I think the jury is still out on these young players. Just because they start does not automatically make them NFL caliber starters because the Bears are hit so hard with injuries/ devoid of talent. I suspect that these drafts will end up being hits though as these players do look the part. Now they need to get better so their talent can translate into more W's.

FA: Pace has a horrible "batting average" and I don't know why people want to forgive that. In another thread somebody hinted it's ok to fail at FA because he is focusing on building through the draft. Bullshit. He has looked bad in FA signings time and again, and no amount of one year prove it deals offsets the fact that these guys come in and fail. I don't see that logic in giving him a pass because they didn't have multi year guarantees when the FA still come in .... and FAIL.

I also do not see logic in giving Pace a pass for "Fox wanting Glennon" ... Pace is GM or he isn't. If Fox believed in Glennon, he was wrong. (Fox's reckoning for that and more is coming) BUT Pace signed Glennon.

So he either 1) thought Glennon could start while Trubisky developed or
2) he KNEW Glennon would fail and STILL signed him anyway.

Either way, Pace signed him.

I have zero faith in Pace. But I fully believe he is safe. So on that note, I will say that I hope you ARE right. I hope he really is a secret GM genius who only needs his coach and better luck in FA to turn the losing streak around ... but do me a favor please ..... please don't act like those of us who see him lose big year in and year out are "insane" or purposefully blinding ourselves out of some fandom version of masochistic flagelllation. Even if you think he deserves more time, you MUST concede that he has also earned heavy criticism and skepticism, right? imo I think he has, but again I hope history proves my fears unfounded when Trubisky hoists a Lombardi here.
 

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Well done
 

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This would be a nice place to add this as well.


Ignore history? Repeat.
It’s almost an exact timeline of what the Bears have experienced over the past three years. Don’t be fooled by what Pace or Fox say to the media. There has definitely been some friction between the two in regards to roster composition. One source told me some of that centered around one of the teams’ most recent flops.

“FOX WANTED GLENNON. PACE WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. BEARS WERE THE ONLY TEAM INTERESTED. PACE HAD A BLUEPRINT. HE WANTED A TOP CORNER TO SIGN, A TOP RECEIVER, TOP SAFETY AND A CHEAP VETERAN QB.”

This would back up the story that Pace had plans to go quarterback in the draft and wanted to prepare the roster for that eventuality. Fox though is a known hater of rookie QBs as evidenced by his inability to develop one. Every time he’s had a chance to get a younger passer, he’s instead gone for veteran free agents. Jake Delhomme in Carolina and Peyton Manning in Denver. Pursuing Glennon was right up his alley. A perfect way to bypass the idea of drafting a rookie.

Then Pace went ahead and did it anyway without Fox’s knowledge. In the end their differing philosophies failed to mesh, as is so often the case in the NFL. That’s why Pace needs to make a change and find somebody who thinks more like him.

The problem with that narrative is the Bears still had money left over
 

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Pace has not done well in FA, BUT he has not saddled the team with stupid contracts. Even Glennon contract is a 1 year prove it deal.

I do want him to do better, but there are enough positive things going on that I think he will get a new HC of his choosing, and he will likely get an extension to match the new HCs tenure.
 

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Just got done looking at the schedule from last year and so far this year. There has been 12 games, that have been decided by 8 points or less that the bears have lost in the past 2 seasons! 12!! That right there tells me that the Bears don’t really have a talent issue, they have a coaching issue. That simply states that Ryan Pace is bringing in decent FA’s and drafting relatively well! Fox and his counterparts are the issue!

So people who want Pace gone are idiots in my opinion!
 
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Pace has not done well in FA, BUT he has not saddled the team with stupid contracts. Even Glennon contract is a 1 year prove it deal.

I do want him to do better, but there are enough positive things going on that I think he will get a new HC of his choosing, and he will likely get an extension to match the new HCs tenure.

It still carries a dead cap hit of 4.5 mil next year.
 

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Not gonna read all that but seeing the old "Pace kept Fox in the dark" in regards to Trubisky is rehashed bullshit.

Fox was deeply involved in the scouting of Trubisky. Pace wanted Glennon as the bridge QB and yeah maybe Fox was cool with it but doesn't mean Fox was anti-Trubisky.
 

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Yeesh, far too much reading for me at work.

Case against Pace is simple:

Coaching hire: Fox seemed to forget how or just quit trying to coach. Pace either hired him or was talked into hiring him. It did not pan out so either way, he isn't exactly off the hook imo.

Drafts: 1 bad draft followed by a couple "good ones". Maybe so. I put it in quotes because I think the jury is still out on these young players. Just because they start does not automatically make them NFL caliber starters because the Bears are hit so hard with injuries/ devoid of talent. I suspect that these drafts will end up being hits though as these players do look the part. Now they need to get better so their talent can translate into more W's.

FA: Pace has a horrible "batting average" and I don't know why people want to forgive that. In another thread somebody hinted it's ok to fail at FA because he is focusing on building through the draft. Bullshit. He has looked bad in FA signings time and again, and no amount of one year prove it deals offsets the fact that these guys come in and fail. I don't see that logic in giving him a pass because they didn't have multi year guarantees when the FA still come in .... and FAIL.

I also do not see logic in giving Pace a pass for "Fox wanting Glennon" ... Pace is GM or he isn't. If Fox believed in Glennon, he was wrong. (Fox's reckoning for that and more is coming) BUT Pace signed Glennon.

So he either 1) thought Glennon could start while Trubisky developed or
2) he KNEW Glennon would fail and STILL signed him anyway.

Either way, Pace signed him.

I have zero faith in Pace. But I fully believe he is safe. So on that note, I will say that I hope you ARE right. I hope he really is a secret GM genius who only needs his coach and better luck in FA to turn the losing streak around ... but do me a favor please ..... please don't act like those of us who see him lose big year in and year out are "insane" or purposefully blinding ourselves out of some fandom version of masochistic flagelllation. Even if you think he deserves more time, you MUST concede that he has also earned heavy criticism and skepticism, right? imo I think he has, but again I hope history proves my fears unfounded when Trubisky hoists a Lombardi here.

I forgive every new GM in his 1st draft and FA unless he brings an active staff with him. In this case, he did not have enough time to change the scouting hierarchy, people or even enough time to do proper evaluation on players to override scouting reports beyond early picks. He basically needed to rebuild from nothing. McDonald was brought in on the recommendation of Fangio who vouched for him and really wanted him. It counts because they are on the resume' but I understand. To say he was unlucky with White would be an understatement. McPhee was a roll of the dice that came up craps but really, we need to remember what was inherited.


The Bears were a team without a rudder and I suspect that aspect is what allowed Pace to be talked into Fox. Again, it counts but I understand. Fox can't coach but he gets the rest.

The White and Goldman picks are fully on him as every GMs will do their homework on early picks regardless of situation but after that, it's hole filling and scout recommendations with the amount of prep he likely was able to do. If White became an average #1, that would have been a VG draft with Amos and Goldman playing at a high level. The last 2 drafts have little to complain about.

I know many don't like the way he's handled FA but I'm OK with it... depending on what was intended with the Glennon signing. I suspect all thought he was good enough to hold the reins for a year but drafting Trubisky and the terms of Glennon's contract is an obvious indication that Glennon was not perceived as a solution. It did have the rest of the league thinking we were waiting at least another year for our future in the 'good year' QB draft. The rest is debateable as we haven't hit often enough but not overpaying when you're not ready contend is OK by me. I do like to address weaknesses with numbers and he does that. Usually, somebody steps up like at CB. It won't help at WR if your #1, 2 and 3 are all gone. That said, McPhee caused us to be we were too weak at OLB and while I understand some of the fails, FA has had too many.

I would actually give him a C+ to B- with this off season as the determining factor as to his overall status.
 

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This would be a nice place to add this as well.


Ignore history? Repeat.
It’s almost an exact timeline of what the Bears have experienced over the past three years. Don’t be fooled by what Pace or Fox say to the media. There has definitely been some friction between the two in regards to roster composition. One source told me some of that centered around one of the teams’ most recent flops.

“FOX WANTED GLENNON. PACE WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. BEARS WERE THE ONLY TEAM INTERESTED. PACE HAD A BLUEPRINT. HE WANTED A TOP CORNER TO SIGN, A TOP RECEIVER, TOP SAFETY AND A CHEAP VETERAN QB.”

This would back up the story that Pace had plans to go quarterback in the draft and wanted to prepare the roster for that eventuality. Fox though is a known hater of rookie QBs as evidenced by his inability to develop one. Every time he’s had a chance to get a younger passer, he’s instead gone for veteran free agents. Jake Delhomme in Carolina and Peyton Manning in Denver. Pursuing Glennon was right up his alley. A perfect way to bypass the idea of drafting a rookie.

Then Pace went ahead and did it anyway without Fox’s knowledge. In the end their differing philosophies failed to mesh, as is so often the case in the NFL. That’s why Pace needs to make a change and find somebody who thinks more like him.
Asked this in the other thread. Will ask again here. What is the source of this information?
 

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Pace has drafted really well IMO, aside from Kevin White. His FA signings, on the other hand, have been terrible for the most part. The fact the article mentions Porter as a positive FA signing is laughable. I do believe Fox was, somewhat, forced on Pace so I give him the benefit of the doubt on that front.

If you wash away the coaching hire based on the assumption Fox was pushed on him then you are left with a GM who has drafted well, especially in the later rounds, and made some really strange decisions in FA.

I would hope that Pace opens up the cheque book on players of worth this season and that would really fix most of the issues. Overpay for a good player rather than overpay for a few bums. His coaching hire will be crucial. If Fox was forced on him, then he deserves a shot to pick his own. The coach he picks will say a lot about if Pace is a real GM or simply a really good scout.
 

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This would be a nice place to add this as well.


Ignore history? Repeat.
It’s almost an exact timeline of what the Bears have experienced over the past three years. Don’t be fooled by what Pace or Fox say to the media. There has definitely been some friction between the two in regards to roster composition. One source told me some of that centered around one of the teams’ most recent flops.

“FOX WANTED GLENNON. PACE WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. BEARS WERE THE ONLY TEAM INTERESTED. PACE HAD A BLUEPRINT. HE WANTED A TOP CORNER TO SIGN, A TOP RECEIVER, TOP SAFETY AND A CHEAP VETERAN QB.”

This would back up the story that Pace had plans to go quarterback in the draft and wanted to prepare the roster for that eventuality. Fox though is a known hater of rookie QBs as evidenced by his inability to develop one. Every time he’s had a chance to get a younger passer, he’s instead gone for veteran free agents. Jake Delhomme in Carolina and Peyton Manning in Denver. Pursuing Glennon was right up his alley. A perfect way to bypass the idea of drafting a rookie.

Then Pace went ahead and did it anyway without Fox’s knowledge. In the end their differing philosophies failed to mesh, as is so often the case in the NFL. That’s why Pace needs to make a change and find somebody who thinks more like him.

I don't buy that one bit. Pace seemed absolutely enthused about Glennon. It would also say a lot about him if he made such a big decision based on a lame-duck coach who he reportedly didn't pick on his own. Pace is the one responsible for assembling the roster, its up to Fox to work with the roster Pace puts together.
 

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Pace has drafted really well IMO, aside from Kevin White. His FA signings, on the other hand, have been terrible for the most part. The fact the article mentions Porter as a positive FA signing is laughable. I do believe Fox was, somewhat, forced on Pace so I give him the benefit of the doubt on that front.

If you wash away the coaching hire based on the assumption Fox was pushed on him then you are left with a GM who has drafted well, especially in the later rounds, and made some really strange decisions in FA.

I would hope that Pace opens up the cheque book on players of worth this season and that would really fix most of the issues. Overpay for a good player rather than overpay for a few bums. His coaching hire will be crucial. If Fox was forced on him, then he deserves a shot to pick his own. The coach he picks will say a lot about if Pace is a real GM or simply a really good scout.
On some level it is really hard for me to knock him here, but he is the GM and has to take the responsibility for missing on a 1st round draft pick. He had no way of knowing White was going to get hurt like he did. Over and over again. If there was an injury history with White, I am not aware of it. He was praised for the pick by the media and fans when he made it. If White had turned into what he was projected to be, his drafts would have been really good as a whole.

We all know his FA blunders. Don't need to reiterate that.
 

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I know, another thread about if R.Pace has done a good or bad job with the Bears, but i like how this one was written and how detailed it is by Adam Hoge.

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LAKE FOREST, Ill. — When the Bears lost 15-14 to the San Francisco 49ers on Dec. 3, there was a sudden shift in attention toward general manager Ryan Pace, who otherwise was avoiding most of the blame for another underachieving season.

While head coach John Fox was taking the hits for the team’s then 3-9 record, the loss to the 49ers reflected poorly on the GM because it was former kicker Robbie Gould and Arlington Heights native Jimmy Garoppolo who did most of the damage.

But no one should be fired over one game and there are many valid reasons why Pace has managed to escape blame for the current state of the Chicago Bears. Three years ago, I made the case for and against keeping then-GM Phil Emery. The list of reasons for letting him go was much longer, and two days later the McCaskey family cleaned house at Halas Hall.

Almost three years into the next GM tenure, it’s reasonable to take an even more in-depth look at the job Pace has done in the same time frame. The evaluation is split into five parts: the record, the coaching hire, the NFL Draft, free agency and the football building (a.k.a. everything else and everyone else he oversees).

The Record
13-32. It’s not good. There’s no getting around that.

No one was too upset about 2015’s 6-10 campaign. The word “playoffs” was actually being tossed around in early December after the Bears beat the Packers at Lambeau Field on Thanksgiving, but that may end up being Fox’s signature win as the Bears head coach. They finished the season 1-4, starting a spiral the Bears still have not escaped.

2016 served as a reality check. Injuries hit the team hard and the lack of depth was exposed, a weakness everyone was aware of given how Pace had torn down the roster he inherited. 3-13 wasn’t what everyone was hoping for, but it did give Pace a huge asset with the No. 3 overall pick. “We are never going to be in this position again, but we better take advantage of it while we’re here,” he said.

Which brings us to 2017, where the Bears are once again threatening for a top five draft pick. There’s no doubt Pace’s team has underachieved this season, but how much of that is on the players, how much of that is on the coaching staff and how much of that is on the GM? And are there enough signs of hope to suggest that the Bears are about to turn the corner?

“The Record” conclusion: It’s not good enough, but there’s reason to believe it will improve in 2018.

The Coaching Hire
If Pace decides to make a coaching change at the end of the month, Fox will go down as one of the worst head coaches in franchise history from a record standpoint. Before the Bears beat the Bengals Sunday, Fox had the lowest winning percentage in franchise history.

But does that really mean Fox has been a disaster? He obviously hasn’t won enough games and his personnel and in-game decisions leave much to be desired, but there’s also a reasonable case to be made that Fox was a good coach to come in and help rebuild a culture that was destroyed under Phil Emery and Marc Trestman.

It’s important to remember that Fox was coaching in a playoff game just a couple days after Pace was hired. Had the Broncos beat the Colts that weekend, there’s a good chance he never would have been the head coach of the Chicago Bears. Pace is ultimately responsible for the hire, but he was being advised by Fox’s buddy Ernie Accorsi and shared another close friend in New Orleans head coach Sean Payton. He was also several weeks behind other teams who made a head coaching change. Remember, the Bears had actually conducted several head coaching interviews before Pace was even hired.

Let’s also not have revisionist history here. Fox was clearly the most qualified candidate for the job and had a history of turning around both the Carolina Panthers and Denver Broncos. Compared to Emery hiring Marc Trestman over Bruce Arians, Fox was a perfectly sensible hire, even if it made for a somewhat odd pairing between a veteran head coach and the youngest GM in the NFL.

“The Coaching Hire” conclusion: The logic behind hiring Fox was sound, the results just haven’t been as rewarding. Pace deserves the chance to conduct his own exhaustive coaching search that he is in charge of from the start. That will be the hire he is ultimately judged on.

The Draft
So-so first rounders
WR Kevin White — Three years into Kevin White’s career, the wide receiver has 21 catches and zero touchdowns in just five games. It’s unfortunate that three broken bones have kept his NFL career from barely starting, but Pace’s first draft pick has to be considered a miss at this point. Maybe White will return in 2018 and deliver a season similar to what former first-round pick Kyle Fuller is doing in his fourth season, but that can’t be counted on at this point.

OLB Leonard Floyd — Floyd oozes potential with a lengthy frame and elite speed as a pass rusher, but concerns about how his lanky body would hold up at the NFL level have been somewhat validated. When 2017 is over, Floyd will have played 22 of a possible 32 games with 11.5 sacks. Perhaps another offseason will lead to a breakout 2018 season, but Pro Bowl expectations were not met this year.

QB Mitchell Trubisky — Despite an early 3-6 record, Trubisky has six touchdowns and just three interceptions in a flawed offense that lacks dynamic receiving options. While his overall completion percentage is 58.2, he’s completed 64.1 percent of his passes over his last five games. All things considered, Trubisky is having a good rookie season and his competitive makeup and obsessive work ethic suggest he is going to have a successful NFL career.

Encouraging second rounders
NT Eddie Goldman — Injuries prevented Goldman from breaking out in 2016, but he’s been one of the more underrated defensive players in the NFL this season. He’s exactly what you want from a 3-4 nose tackle and could be a candidate for an extension in the offseason.

C Cody Whitehair — After a promising rookie season, the Bears experimented with Whitehair at guard and that led to some early-season struggles at both guard and center. But the second-year offensive lineman has settled in the last few weeks and delivered some very strong performances at center, which should be his cemented position going forward. Whitehair and Trubisky could form a longterm battery for the Bears.

TE Adam Shaheen — Making a big jump from Division II to the NFL, Shaheen still has managed three touchdowns in very limited playing time. The coaching staff has been careful not to put too much on his plate as a rookie and you can debate whether or not that has slowed down his development. Shaheen looked downright dominant at times last summer and, with the right coaching, could still be a big time threat at tight end. Also encouraging: his blocking has improved steadily throughout the season.

Middle-round hits
Good general managers build depth in the middle and late rounds of the draft and Pace has done a pretty good job with later picks. 2016 fifth-rounder Jordan Howard remains the gem, becoming the first running back in Bears history to rush for 1,000 yards in each of his first two seasons. 2015 fifth-rounder Adrian Amos is having a breakout season this year and has a chance to remain a future starter at safety next to 2017 fourth-rounder Eddie Jackson, who figures to be around for a long time. 2016 third-rounder Jonathan Bullard and 2016 fourth-rounder Nick Kwiatkoski are currently fringe starters who could become regulars if surrounded by the right talent around them. And then there’s 2017 fourth-rounder Tarik Cohen, already the most electric weapon on offense.

Of course, you’re never going to hit on all of your mid-to-late round picks (Jeremy Langford and Daniel Braverman, for example) and the jury is still out on players like Deon Bush, Deiondre’ Hall and DeAndre Houston-Carson, but they are at least decent contributors on special teams when healthy.

“The Draft” conclusion: GMs are ultimately judged by first-round picks and quarterbacks drafted. The fact that White and Floyd haven’t developed into top-tier players is not a great look for Pace, but Floyd still has the potential to break out. More importantly, the early returns on Trubisky are promising and that’s enough to overlook Pace’s first two top picks for now, especially with zero second-round busts and a handful of really good mid-to-late round picks. Overall, Pace has just one Pro Bowl to show for his 20 picks, but it’s not unreasonable to think Floyd, Trubisky, Cohen, Goldman, Whitehair, Jackson and even Shaheen could see a Pro Bowl in their future. They at least have the potential to do so.

It’s important not to give Pace too much credit just because he’s drafting better than the Bears’ last two GMs (that’s not a high bar), but there’s more to like than dislike from his first three draft classes. Frankly, it would be reckless to fire a GM with these results over three years in a league driven by the draft.

Free Agency
The Hits

Akiem Hicks is the obvious gem of Pace’s three free agency classes. The GM had history with Hicks in New Orleans and knew he would be a much better fit in Vic Fangio’s defensive scheme. Despite a last-minute plea from Bill Belichick, Hicks opted for a reunion with Pace and was rewarded with a huge contract right before the 2017 regular season began. It will be a shame if Hicks isn’t selected for the Pro Bowl.

Other solid signings include cornerbacks Prince Amukamara and Tracy Porter, guard Josh Sitton and linebacker Danny Trevathan (Fox deserves some credit for the Trevathan signing too).

Many have criticized the Pernell McPhee signing, but despite the injuries, he has been a tough, mostly-effective player and is a respected leader in the locker room. Bobby Massie has also been a serviceable right tackle, although it would be wise to look for a younger upgrade in the offseason.

Pace also re-upped special-teams ace Sherrick McManis, tight end Zach Miller and brought in linebacker Sam Acho and defensive lineman Mitch Unrein, both of whom have been steady players on both defense and special teams.

The Misses

Unfortunately there’s a lengthy list of misses that includes Eddie Royal, Antrel Rolle, Alan Ball, Jerrell Freeman, Marcus Cooper and Markus Wheaton, but let’s focus on the decisions that were really problematic.

Remember Ray McDonald? That was one of Pace’s first moves and it can probably be classified as a rookie mistake. The GM had well-respected defensive coordinator Vic Fangio vouching for McDonald and this was a rare situation where ownership probably should have stepped in and nixed the idea.

Among all the moves, the signing of Mike Glennon is the hardest to defend, and I legitimately tried to when he was signed. Watching the film, I understood why Pace saw a potential starter, but the money was hard to justify and drafting Trubisky put Glennon in an impossible situation. Glennon would have had to play like an MVP candidate to silence calls for Trubisky and while the veteran may have been a decent starter in a better situation, he was never going to be an All-Pro. The ironic thing about all this is that Glennon would actually be a good backup for Trubisky going forward, but it seems unrealistic to pay a backup $15 million in 2018 and one has to imagine Glennon wants to be in a situation where he can compete for a starting job. He’s better than what he showed in his four starts with the Bears, but this signing was questionable to begin with and became doomed the moment Trubisky was drafted.

Meanwhile, the two position groups Pace can’t seem to figure out are kicker and wide receiver. No one can blame him for getting rid of Brandon Marshall and it was obvious Alshon Jeffery wanted to move on. Fine. But he has struggled mightily to replace them. Cameron Meredith was a great find as an undrafted free agent, but asking him to be the No. 1 target is unfair. Wide receiver is arguably the No. 1 priority in 2018.

As for the kicker position, it has been a disaster since Robbie Gould was let go. Many general managers defer to their special teams coordinators when it comes to the evaluation of kickers, punters and long snappers, but Gould should have at least been given a few games in 2016 to work out his training camp struggles. He earned at least that much as the franchise’s all-time leading scorer. But putting the Gould-sentiment aside, Pace has failed to find a suitable replacement. Barth wasn’t good enough, Cairo Santos was injured and Mike Nugent missing his first extra point attempt wasn’t exactly encouraging. And then there was Roberto Aguayo. Oh, Roberto Aguayo.

“Free agency” conclusion: There are certainly way more misses than hits, but Pace also understands that good NFL teams are not built through free agency. He’s been reluctant to hand out big money, knowing that more times than not, free agents don’t work out. Most of the longterm contracts have been laced with incentives and structured with team-friendly outs, while the short-term contracts have been built as “prove-it” deals. In Hicks’ case, he did prove it and was rewarded. Other players will take note of that.

Glennon received the biggest contract Pace has handed out in free agency, but the $45 million total in his deal is only the 24th biggest contract an NFL free agent has received since Pace took over as general manager and the $18.5 million guaranteed ranks 39th in that same time frame.

If it seems like the majority of Pace’s free agent signings aren’t on the field, it’s because that’s true. According to OverTheCap.com, the Bears currently rank 30th in contract utilization, a metric that measures return on investment based on playing time.

But while Pace has had his fair share of free agent misses, none of them are damaging the franchise longterm. The Bears still have plenty of cap room and won’t be prohibited from executing future contracts because of cap issues. That’s important to keep in mind.

Which leads us to another part of the discussion…

The Football Building
While Pace has been measured in his free agent approach, the Bears reportedly were after high-priced free agents like Janoris Jenkins in 2016 and Stephon Gilmore in 2017. Did Pace bow out because the price got too steep or are the Bears struggling to attract big-time free agents? Why did Alshon Jeffery want to leave?

These are fair questions to ask, but Bears fans should be encouraged by what Pace is doing about it. He arrived in Chicago with a firm vision of what the Bears needed to be a premier NFL franchise. The implementation has been somewhat slow, but that’s not his fault. He quickly created over 30 new positions in his first year, including support staff, sports science staff and an overhaul of the athletic training staff (with mixed results, admittedly). Understand that just locally, the Bears were behind Northwestern when it came to utilizing new technology like virtual reality and Catapult GPS monitoring devices to track training loads. And when Northwestern’s new football facility opens this spring, it will make Halas Hall look like a high school building.

But Pace is working on that too. Perhaps the Bears’ most promising news of 2017 was the 162,500 square-foot expansion of Halas Hall that the organization oddly announced at 4:30 p.m. on a Friday evening with zero fanfare and minimal publicity. But despite the low-key announcement, the dump trucks have already invaded Lake Forest and the new facility is scheduled to be completed in time for the 2019 regular season. The renderings are impressive and should help attract and keep players in Chicago.

Pace also deserves credit for the scouting staff he assembled. Director of player personnel Josh Lucas and assistant director of player personnel Champ Kelly are both highly respected and Pace’s initial director of college scouting, Joe Douglas, was so coveted that the Eagles managed to pry him away after just one season. Douglas is now considered a potential GM candidate in league circles. Pace quickly promoted Mark Sadowski, who has been with the Bears so long that he can claim some credit for the Bears drafting Devin Hester and Greg Olsen (Sadowski was the Bears’ southeast area scout at the time). Contract negotiator Joey Laine also gets credit for the team-friendly structure of most of the Bears’ free agent contracts.

Another thing working in Pace’s favor is his reputation inside Halas Hall. He treats employees and players with respect and receives it in return. By comparison, Emery alienated many inside and outside Halas Hall — including well-respected players like Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs — which played a factor in his dismissal.

“The Football Building” conclusion: Other than valid questions about the Bears’ injury epidemic and how much blame should go around, there isn’t much to criticize when it comes to the culture and football operations department Pace has built. His fingerprints are all over the Halas Hall expansion plans, which should fix one of the crucial areas the Chicago Bears are trailing the rest of the league. It’s not exactly a secret that the franchise tends to live in the past, but Pace has a vision for the future that should be trusted.

The Overall Verdict:
If you’re scoring at home, you’d probably give Pace points for “the draft” and “the football building” and deduct points for “the record” and “free agency.” As for the “coaching hire,” Pace deserves the opportunity to hire his own guy — the right man to develop his prized quarterback.

And in the end, that’s ultimately what Pace will be judged on: his second coaching hire and Mitch Trubisky. So far, the early returns on Trubisky are encouraging enough that it would be irresponsible to fire the man who drafted him. And if that’s not convincing enough, think of it this way: How do you fire a GM that appears to have hit on at least four of five draft picks from this year, including the most important position in sports?

You can’t. Which is why the Bears won’t.
And there it is. All in one singular article. This is the case that those of us who say it is ugly stupid to fire Ryan Pace have been saying from the get-go.

The fire Pace bandwagon wants to paint us as some sort of cult that thinks Ryan pace is a GM God, when the reality is, we are the sensible ones who see exactly what Adam Hoge laid out, feel Pace deserves an opportunity to hire a coach to be paired with his quarterback as has been laid out in the article, and ultimately will hold Pace accountable on the second coach if Pace fails. Hardly the opinion of people who think Pace can do no wrong, instead just the opinion of sensible, rational people who can take an objective look at what is going on in Halas Hall right now and the job that pace is doing.

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Yeesh, far too much reading for me at work.

Case against Pace is simple:

Coaching hire: Fox seemed to forget how or just quit trying to coach. Pace either hired him or was talked into hiring him. It did not pan out so either way, he isn't exactly off the hook imo.

Drafts: 1 bad draft followed by a couple "good ones". Maybe so. I put it in quotes because I think the jury is still out on these young players. Just because they start does not automatically make them NFL caliber starters because the Bears are hit so hard with injuries/ devoid of talent. I suspect that these drafts will end up being hits though as these players do look the part. Now they need to get better so their talent can translate into more W's.

FA: Pace has a horrible "batting average" and I don't know why people want to forgive that. In another thread somebody hinted it's ok to fail at FA because he is focusing on building through the draft. Bullshit. He has looked bad in FA signings time and again, and no amount of one year prove it deals offsets the fact that these guys come in and fail. I don't see that logic in giving him a pass because they didn't have multi year guarantees when the FA still come in .... and FAIL.

I also do not see logic in giving Pace a pass for "Fox wanting Glennon" ... Pace is GM or he isn't. If Fox believed in Glennon, he was wrong. (Fox's reckoning for that and more is coming) BUT Pace signed Glennon.

So he either 1) thought Glennon could start while Trubisky developed or
2) he KNEW Glennon would fail and STILL signed him anyway.

Either way, Pace signed him.

I have zero faith in Pace. But I fully believe he is safe. So on that note, I will say that I hope you ARE right. I hope he really is a secret GM genius who only needs his coach and better luck in FA to turn the losing streak around ... but do me a favor please ..... please don't act like those of us who see him lose big year in and year out are "insane" or purposefully blinding ourselves out of some fandom version of masochistic flagelllation. Even if you think he deserves more time, you MUST concede that he has also earned heavy criticism and skepticism, right? imo I think he has, but again I hope history proves my fears unfounded when Trubisky hoists a Lombardi here.
Can't be bothered to read, but going to reply anyway... yeah okay, that makes you look smart /s

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This would be a nice place to add this as well.


Ignore history? Repeat.
It’s almost an exact timeline of what the Bears have experienced over the past three years. Don’t be fooled by what Pace or Fox say to the media. There has definitely been some friction between the two in regards to roster composition. One source told me some of that centered around one of the teams’ most recent flops.

“FOX WANTED GLENNON. PACE WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. BEARS WERE THE ONLY TEAM INTERESTED. PACE HAD A BLUEPRINT. HE WANTED A TOP CORNER TO SIGN, A TOP RECEIVER, TOP SAFETY AND A CHEAP VETERAN QB.”

This would back up the story that Pace had plans to go quarterback in the draft and wanted to prepare the roster for that eventuality. Fox though is a known hater of rookie QBs as evidenced by his inability to develop one. Every time he’s had a chance to get a younger passer, he’s instead gone for veteran free agents. Jake Delhomme in Carolina and Peyton Manning in Denver. Pursuing Glennon was right up his alley. A perfect way to bypass the idea of drafting a rookie.

Then Pace went ahead and did it anyway without Fox’s knowledge. In the end their differing philosophies failed to mesh, as is so often the case in the NFL. That’s why Pace needs to make a change and find somebody who thinks more like him.
I would need this sourced before I completely believe that.

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His saving grace is that his bad FA signings have had 1 year outs. If they put the team in cap issues his ass would be out the door pretty fast.

Trubisky is really the only reason I am backing him at this point. A new regime from top down could really duck him up.
 

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This would be a nice place to add this as well.


Ignore history? Repeat.
It’s almost an exact timeline of what the Bears have experienced over the past three years. Don’t be fooled by what Pace or Fox say to the media. There has definitely been some friction between the two in regards to roster composition. One source told me some of that centered around one of the teams’ most recent flops.

“FOX WANTED GLENNON. PACE WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. BEARS WERE THE ONLY TEAM INTERESTED. PACE HAD A BLUEPRINT. HE WANTED A TOP CORNER TO SIGN, A TOP RECEIVER, TOP SAFETY AND A CHEAP VETERAN QB.”

This would back up the story that Pace had plans to go quarterback in the draft and wanted to prepare the roster for that eventuality. Fox though is a known hater of rookie QBs as evidenced by his inability to develop one. Every time he’s had a chance to get a younger passer, he’s instead gone for veteran free agents. Jake Delhomme in Carolina and Peyton Manning in Denver. Pursuing Glennon was right up his alley. A perfect way to bypass the idea of drafting a rookie.

Then Pace went ahead and did it anyway without Fox’s knowledge. In the end their differing philosophies failed to mesh, as is so often the case in the NFL. That’s why Pace needs to make a change and find somebody who thinks more like him.

If true this explains that garbage as glennon signing. But it still doesn’t explain the flops in his other FA signings
 

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