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Why is Trey Burton coveted? Dude only has 629 yards in 4 years.
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If the Bears landed Allen Robinson and Trey Burton, someone get me a towel and a cigarette.
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I think he is seen as an ascending flex TE that can do a lot of things.
He is a guy that I think you can reasonable project to do more with an expanded role.
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This has already been discussed ad nauseum but firing a coach without giving ample time is not going to attract any talent when they have the fear of being fired after 1 year, and there was tons of talk about fox being forced on him.
Secondly, what fucking QB was available that would have attracted anyone? Sure glennon busted bad bad but it wasn’t as if anyone was validly available that would have attracted anyone. Sure, I wanted jimmy g but the patriots weren’t willing to part with anything less than a first round pick and at the time the #3 pick was wayyyy too much to offer. He was finally in a position to take a QB round 1 and he did. He also hired an offensive mind and the staff around Nagy is shaping up to be incredible. Yeah we expect the team to turn around in 3 years but we have seen the same teams in the suberbowl year after year.
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I wouldn't mind getting M.Lee at all but T.Gabriel is just another boom or bust WR that's either gonna catch a deep ball or he's not gonna do anything and those type players bother me ala M.Wallace, T.Smith, D.Jackson.
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To the guys that still talk about Pace and free agency....you guys do realize that it's not just Pace that scouts these guys and makes the decisions on signings without talking to multiple scouts and coaches about each player right? Obviously the final decision comes down to Pace but he has a full team of guys that do this for a living that he listens to their opinions on each player from so it's not a one man show. These guys don't know someone is gonna get inured which is one of the biggest things that have hurt our free agent signings.
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After the combine DJ Moore will be a player on the rise. If the Bears got him at #39 it would be great. Some fun facts about DJ. He played with eight different QB's in three seasons, first wr since 2008 to have over a 1,000 yds with a QB throwing for no more than 1,500 yds. As the Maryland's only true weapon last season he had 80 rec, 1,033 yds, 8 td's. At 5-11 215 he is very strong and breaks tackles underneath and has great change of direction, plus the speed to take the top off any defense.
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Yes, but thank you for bringing up the obvious.
I was advocating earlier this offseason that someone or some people in Pro personnel should be demoted or fired.
In the end Pace is the public face of the personnel department and takes the heat.
We are “still” talking about Pace and free Agency because we are less than a month away from free agency and last season he was abysmal.
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We should go out and GET Albert Wilson. This just makes sense as Nagy knows him and can use him as a "plug & play"........But Albert is NOT a tier #1 talent. Same with Marquese Lee.....Pace should grab him as Nagy should be able to get more out of him with a better scheme and QB.
Let's see if Pace "Swings for the Fences" and lands someone close to a No.#1 WR.
Allen......Landry.....Gordon......(The State of Illinois will have to legalize Weed!)....
We should draft a stud WR rounds 2,4,4,5.
Let's see if Pace "Swings for the Fences" and lands someone close to a No.#1 WR.
Allen......Landry.....Gordon......(The State of Illinois will have to legalize Weed!)....
We should draft a stud WR rounds 2,4,4,5.
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It's the obvious but yet people still can't seem to grasp it in their one way minds....Hmmmmmmm.
I don't think our owners care about what fans are advocating on if one or more of their people should be fired or demoted since fans always overreact about everything. Fans think if a player the GM sings gets hurt that the GM should of somehow known that and should be fired for it...lol. Fans think the team should always win games even if the team is rebuilding....lol. Fans aren't as smart as they think they are and we have some on here that really think they know a hell of a lot more then they really do. They don't know as much as they think especially when all they know is what they see on tv in games or on the internet but NOTHING on the inside.
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Look, Pace assembles the pro scouting department and is therefore responsible for it. He also has the final say on all decisions. Two years out of three, Pace has shit the bed in free agency.
I know you don't want to hear it but no matter how many excuses and deflections you make for him, these are facts. You know I like a lot of what Pace has done but it is what it is.
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Talk about stating the obvious...lol. Pace has not shit the bed in free agency. If he has multiple bad players under multi year contracts then that's what would be shitting the bed. Pace signed a lot of guys to one year prove yourself contracts or multi year contracts that they can get out of after one season. Do you understand why teams do that? Because even they aren't positive about what these players will be so they give them a prove yourself contract to see. If that player doesn't show to be worth a bigger contract then no big deal and we let them leave and if they do then we offer them that bigger contract. That's what you do when you're rebuilding. You don't sign players to 4 year deals when you're rebuilding and you know you're gonna need at least 3-4 years to build cause then after those 3-4 years of building the players you signed to the 4 years deals are gonna be free agents so that would be stupid.
I think now that we have our QB a good defense and other good young players that it will be either this off season or next that Pace now goes out and tries to get those bigger name players on multi year deals. I think we have this off season and next of keeping on building because we still have too many holes to be able to fill them all in just this off season. I'm expecting at least one bigger name signing and hopefully two this off season and finishing the job next off season. Obviously the job is never really finished but you know what i mean.
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Signing bad players to good contracts, is still bad.
45 million could have been rolled over to this season, instead it is in some crappy players bank accounts.
Defending Pace’s overall free agent work is questionable. Defending what he did last offseason is idiotic.
45 million could have been rolled over to this season, instead it is in some crappy players bank accounts.
Defending Pace’s overall free agent work is questionable. Defending what he did last offseason is idiotic.
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The Glennon signing is mind boggling. Even though the play calling and lack of WRs may have been part of it he was terrible. But after hearing Bouye, Ginn and Stills took less money to go elsewhere last spring, how many other FA cold shouldered the Bears that we didn't hear about?
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The mental contortions that people have to go through to confirm their opinions is what is mind boggling to me.
The first year, I think you could legitimately write off - the roster was in a terrible mess and it was Pace’s first year on the job. He had a bad draft and FA but I can kind of give him a pass for that. The second year he did really well in both FA and the draft and got a lot of credit for it. Last year, he continued the good work in the draft and brought in a lot of bad players on team-friendly contracts.
In his third year, he does not get a pass because the team isn’t a popular destination for players - he largely created the environment by keeping on a bad coach. He doesn’t get a pass for signing bad players because we can get out of the contracts either. He just had a bad FA period. You will not find a single impartial and respected observer that would argue differently.
Now we enter his 4th offseason. Let’s please take off the blinkers and evaluate it honestly. He’s had a great January and assembled a top tier coaching team. The team has some good young pieces and a QB in place. They have enough cap space. Chicago is a big market and gives us an advantage. There are literally no excuses I can think of to not significantly upgrade our roster in the next couple of months. I will be judging Pace accordingly.
The first year, I think you could legitimately write off - the roster was in a terrible mess and it was Pace’s first year on the job. He had a bad draft and FA but I can kind of give him a pass for that. The second year he did really well in both FA and the draft and got a lot of credit for it. Last year, he continued the good work in the draft and brought in a lot of bad players on team-friendly contracts.
In his third year, he does not get a pass because the team isn’t a popular destination for players - he largely created the environment by keeping on a bad coach. He doesn’t get a pass for signing bad players because we can get out of the contracts either. He just had a bad FA period. You will not find a single impartial and respected observer that would argue differently.
Now we enter his 4th offseason. Let’s please take off the blinkers and evaluate it honestly. He’s had a great January and assembled a top tier coaching team. The team has some good young pieces and a QB in place. They have enough cap space. Chicago is a big market and gives us an advantage. There are literally no excuses I can think of to not significantly upgrade our roster in the next couple of months. I will be judging Pace accordingly.
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That's a good point, hopefully now with a new staff and a young QB FA will see Chicago as a team they want to play for.
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I’m hopeful that having Nagy and team in place will help Pace target prospective free agents. He looks like he needs help in this area compared to his work in the draft. Losing Fuller would be a blow to my confidence in him though.
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