Should they sell at the deadline?

Ares said:

I heard we offered them Seabrook and a pirate's chest full of gold in return for a conditional 7th round pick which they would get back along with a 1st rounder from us on condition that Seabrook made it to the airport.

They said "Um... fuck no"

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Lol they will probably fuck up and trade schmaltz and D-cat to unload Seadroolzival

Althjough I would love to see a D combo of t-Roz and Seadroolzival

Moving #7 requires throwing in El Gato and Schmaltz#8, or the equivalent assets (which we don’t have).

It’s now one of the worst contracts in pro sports, massive overpay, for way too many years, with a full NMC. #fucked

RacerX said:

Moving #7 requires throwing in El Gato and Schmaltz#8, or the equivalent assets (which we don’t have).

It’s now one of the worst contracts in pro sports, massive overpay, for way too many years, with a full NMC. #fucked

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Then we gotta keep him and get him a personal trainer and a personal chef. He needs to lose about 40 lbs I would guess and get 7 million for the Rozy role. The influx of young D means we might survive it and get that value from cheap players for a couple years while he plays his role and hopefully this was his worst season and he can lose some wait.

I think we could sell Anisimov potentially still with his PP prowess. Might have to eat a million or sell a farm player, but no way we can survive losing Debricat or Smaltz.

Saad and Toews would probably benefit from tweaking their training habits as well and I think we have to bet on that. New training staff, new coaches, shuffle some things around, get Crow back in there and I think we can get back to playoffs personally.

I don't see what they'd spend money on it they were able to trade AA or Seabs. Unless you're getting some decent still buy sooner to expire

It's not like Tavares is a contract fit or makes sense for him at all and this FA class is not overwhelming with much. It's next summer they'll need money again for Schmaltz and a couple other rfas

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ClydeLee said:

I don't see what they'd spend money on it they were able to trade AA or Seabs. Unless you're getting some decent still buy sooner to expire

It's not like Tavares is a contract fit or makes sense for him at all and this FA class is not overwhelming with much. It's next summer they'll need money again for Schmaltz and a couple other rfas

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Addition by subtraction for starters is a win with those two.

They shouldn't even be starting.

AA is a benefit on the PP and nothing else. His leakage and weak ass shit bleeds us back the ice constantly and puts pressure on our porous slow defense and amateur goalies.

This team needs hard men at center. I have no idea why they haven't traded for a face-off specialist, as I feel when you are these shitty at that one aspect of possession outside of Toews it erodes at a lot of important analytic numbers.

The math says a sub-par center who can win faceoffs would help us far more than AA.

Vermette was here for the last chip and I don't think it was an accident.

Hopefully Kampf develops into that role, but its another area we need to take pressure off Toews so he can focus on being a playmaker again. We are forced to put Toews on ice at every available faceoff opportunity he is eligible.

It needed to be done 18 months ago.

Raskolnikov said:

Then we gotta keep him and get him a personal trainer and a personal chef. He needs to lose about 40 lbs I would guess and get 7 million for the Rozy role. The influx of young D means we might survive it and get that value from cheap players for a couple years while he plays his role and hopefully this was his worst season and he can lose some wait.

I think we could sell Anisimov potentially still with his PP prowess. Might have to eat a million or sell a farm player, but no way we can survive losing Debricat or Smaltz.

Saad and Toews would probably benefit from tweaking their training habits as well and I think we have to bet on that. New training staff, new coaches, shuffle some things around, get Crow back in there and I think we can get back to playoffs personally.

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This team is not going to train itself out of the bottom tier NHL teams, which is where we currently dwell.

We have very little in terms of moveable assets. Time to embrace the suck until 2023, it was well worth the current predicament.

This team is not as hampered capwise people seem to think going forward even with current makeup.

The only contracts of potential try to mark up more than elc or under 1 mil are Hartman and Duclair. Cause their previous 20 goal years but I doubt they get too much. There's not a lot of good middle value FAs to fill the holes.

And the year after that though is when it will be tighter. AA could be a easy moved rental trade before then. And trading a pick for Hossas deal will be possible if they need the room then.

They're not gonna be contenders at all but they aren't set up to be missing playoffs the next seasons. This one a lot of people were saying bubble team and they were that until the 8 game streak

The best few teams this year consistently are the lightning, bruins, and golden knights. Respectively missed the playoffs last year, missed last 2 years, and didn't exist.

It's the Ufas that need selling. But Hartman is a risky possibility of its a great offer I'd be good with trading.

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ClydeLee said:

This team is not as hampered capwise people seem to think going forward even with current makeup.

The only contracts of potential try to mark up more than elc or under 1 mil are Hartman and Duclair. Cause their previous 20 goal years but I doubt they get too much. There's not a lot of good middle value FAs to fill the holes.

And the year after that though is when it will be tighter. AA could be a easy moved rental trade before then. And trading a pick for Hossas deal will be possible if they need the room then.

They're not gonna be contenders at all but they aren't set up to be missing playoffs the next seasons. This one a lot of people were saying bubble team and they were that until the 8 game streak

The best few teams this year consistently are the lightning, bruins, and golden knights. Respectively missed the playoffs last year, missed last 2 years, and didn't exist.

It's the Ufas that need selling. But Hartman is a risky possibility of its a great offer I'd be good with trading.

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Insofar as the Hawks Cap situation, damn breh I wish I could agree.

I highly doubt any team in the entire NHL has nearly as much negative contract dollars beyond 2018. Toews, Seabrook are massive albatross contracts that are pretty much insurmountable for any team, Keith has lost several steps and can’t shoot, Saad is a mystery, and our talent at Rockford is meh at best.

Prepare for lottery-level,slotting for a few years, the only way we can start over.

Lord Stanley will be hunted again circa 2023, at best IMO.

Too bad the best American player ever isn't at the Olympics right now. Is Hossa? Can he not or chose not?

We got a third for Kempny!!! I'm down with that considering he was free and chose us. First of 4 or 5 trades to come.

It all went to shit without Dmelt and Hoss.

Raskolnikov said:

Vermette was here for the last chip and I don't think it was an accident.

Hopefully Kampf develops into that role, but its another area we need to take pressure off Toews so he can focus on being a playmaker again. We are forced to put Toews on ice at every available faceoff opportunity he is eligible.

It needed to be done 18 months ago.

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I just want Kampf to develop into the Krueger role. Just settle on that fourth line and dont make him do too much but win defensive zone faceoffs and let the offensive talent stay off the PK.

Next sell was Kempny to Washington for a draft pick.

ClydeLee said:

This team is not as hampered capwise people seem to think going forward even with current makeup.

The only contracts of potential try to mark up more than elc or under 1 mil are Hartman and Duclair. Cause their previous 20 goal years but I doubt they get too much. There's not a lot of good middle value FAs to fill the holes.

And the year after that though is when it will be tighter. AA could be a easy moved rental trade before then. And trading a pick for Hossas deal will be possible if they need the room then.

They're not gonna be contenders at all but they aren't set up to be missing playoffs the next seasons. This one a lot of people were saying bubble team and they were that until the 8 game streak

The best few teams this year consistently are the lightning, bruins, and golden knights. Respectively missed the playoffs last year, missed last 2 years, and didn't exist.

It's the Ufas that need selling. But Hartman is a risky possibility of its a great offer I'd be good with trading.

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If you're being very liberal with "bubble", maybe. They were last a "bubble" team at the #2WC slot when Crawford went down and were in free fall since. This was well before the 8 game slide. Before the 8 game slide they were already threatening to take over Colorado's slot at the bottom of the central.

The fact of the matter still remains: Crawford was the only player keeping the 'hawks nostrils above water, and when he went down we were screwed. In spite of some bright spots amongst the rookies like El Gato, The skater core as a whole has wholly underperformed, and to make matters worse, there's really no indication they'll get better:

Seabs shows occasional flashes of Defensive IQ, but his geriatric body isn't abled.
Keith has been on a downward slide since his last hurrah in the 2015 playoffs--this year is possibly worse than his 2011 campaign.
Kane has been merely okay...what little O we have, he's driving but not even at the 2015 level where he was saddled with talent lesser than Panarin and Anisimov and yet was still on an art Ross trajectory.
Toews has been on a downward slide since 2016, and it shows no sign of ending.
Saad should not be as bad as he's been.

Even assuming a healthy Crawford and one that can produce at an extremely high level (i.e. .920), that still wouldn't be enough to keep the team up above the line--they needed him producing at a Vezina-level .929--which is unrealistic long-term.

It's plausible the team can bounce back, but I think it's going to be dependent on rookies/2nd year players playing for their RFA payday or current cheap RFA's looking to cash in on their UFA deals. Keith and Seabs are too old, we don't know why Toews and Saad have been playing like depth pieces, and Kane and Crawford can't do everything themselves. Schmaltz emerging (and learning to shoot the fucking puck), Hino, & El Gato are going to be key if the team is going to improve, and have to start stepping up into top roles.

D is still a major concern because the closest guy I can see that's anywhere close to being a top-2 guy is Jokiharju--who's a couple of years out. Granted, I see and scout him regularly live--I haven't been following Snuggerud but I hear good things. Anyhow, neither are likely to be playing with the 'hawks next year and shouldn't be rushed.

I like your optimism, but I think for this year and next we'll be on the outside looking in--especially if Q and/or Bowman stay.

LordKOTL said:

If you're being very liberal with "bubble", maybe. They were last a "bubble" team at the #2WC slot when Crawford went down and were in free fall since. This was well before the 8 game slide. Before the 8 game slide they were already threatening to take over Colorado's slot at the bottom of the central.

The fact of the matter still remains: Crawford was the only player keeping the 'hawks nostrils above water, and when he went down we were screwed. In spite of some bright spots amongst the rookies like El Gato, The skater core as a whole has wholly underperformed, and to make matters worse, there's really no indication they'll get better:

Seabs shows occasional flashes of Defensive IQ, but his geriatric body isn't abled.
Keith has been on a downward slide since his last hurrah in the 2015 playoffs--this year is possibly worse than his 2011 campaign.
Kane has been merely okay...what little O we have, he's driving but not even at the 2015 level where he was saddled with talent lesser than Panarin and Anisimov and yet was still on an art Ross trajectory.
Toews has been on a downward slide since 2016, and it shows no sign of ending.
Saad should not be as bad as he's been.

Even assuming a healthy Crawford and one that can produce at an extremely high level (i.e. .920), that still wouldn't be enough to keep the team up above the line--they needed him producing at a Vezina-level .929--which is unrealistic long-term.

It's plausible the team can bounce back, but I think it's going to be dependent on rookies/2nd year players playing for their RFA payday or current cheap RFA's looking to cash in on their UFA deals. Keith and Seabs are too old, we don't know why Toews and Saad have been playing like depth pieces, and Kane and Crawford can't do everything themselves. Schmaltz emerging (and learning to shoot the fucking puck), Hino, & El Gato are going to be key if the team is going to improve, and have to start stepping up into top roles.

D is still a major concern because the closest guy I can see that's anywhere close to being a top-2 guy is Jokiharju--who's a couple of years out. Granted, I see and scout him regularly live--I haven't been following Snuggerud but I hear good things. Anyhow, neither are likely to be playing with the 'hawks next year and shouldn't be rushed.

I like your optimism, but I think for this year and next we'll be on the outside looking in--especially if Q and/or Bowman stay.

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I guess I knew it would come to this at some point....just seemed to go too fast. As a coach, I really don't think Q has done much wrong....but I still think it's time for him to move on. His teams play a certain style, a style that for quite a while meshed well with the players he was provided with. There doesn't seem to be much cohesion anymore with the GM and the coach. A lot of the young players he has now are not a good match for his particular style of puck possession hockey...they don't control the puck well and they are simply horrific at passing. Tie that into the fact that you have very poor goaltending and your best defensemen are free falling towards retirement and Q becomes the scapegoat. Maybe both Q and Bowman need to step down....tough call after what they gave us here for 8 years but as always a coach/GM's fate is directly related to the W/L columns.