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In the past three years TWO pitchers have a better ERA. Kershaw and Scherzer.

Not a trick.
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Then explain his ERA Jump.

I see it as he has late ball movement and changes speed that induces lite contact. That is great and all. But it doesn't explain this current 'him'

I don't live in the past. Shaw and Max are plus stuff guys that can be flat dominate. They can pitch to lite contact or that can just punch them out because their talent is elite.

Hendricks on the other hand can't out talent the hitters. He has to be pin point with his location and velocity change. He can't just blow it past them or drop a mad hammer that buckles their knees or a slider that disappears like those 2.

Again it really is not elite talent that we are talking about here. It is about maxing out the talent that he has. Unfortunately it is not game changing talent.

It is like comparing a 20 Oz bottle and a 1 gal jug. filling up a 20 oz bottle to the top means you have maxed out your bottle. But take that 20 oz and pour it into a 1 gal it looks empty.

That is the difference in talent
 

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He is 3rd in ERA over a three year period, and you call it a trick.

And his poor run right now proves that?

3 years vs 6 weeks?
 
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TL1961 said:
He is 3rd in ERA over a three year period, and you call it a trick.

And his poor run right now proves that?

3 years vs 6 weeks?
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He has never broken 200 IP. To me that is a TOR telling sign. For your info that is just under 6 IP on avg that he lasts career wise.

A chunk of what you are saying was from 2016. And that was a career year for him. most IP led league in ERA. The guy was locked in. But....last year 24 starts. injury that killed his velocity. He looked like crap going into it. Pre ASG: 4-3 4.09 Back of the rotation arm on a contender then post injury. 3-2 2.19 ERA. not the same guy and the uptick made a huge difference.

As far as I can see this is not a injury issue and I saw a pitch hit 89 MPH he left a 86 MPH over the plate that got crushed.

HR's. He was up to 14 which is basically 1 per game. Last year 17 in 24 games. Year before 15 in 30. looking at 2017 pre 9 in 11 post 8 in 13. So not much of a change.

But I see it as he is a location guy that depends on lite contact. A HR is anything but that. Which means guys are flat out squaring him up.

Stop living in the past. Look at it as it is. He is getting wrecked right now and his strength is not saving him. So his flaws are showing.
 

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because no one talks there. I mean seriously it's basically me CSF77 and occasionally one other person will show up.
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Please don't confuse talking with typing or reading. I rarely post here and have nothing to add to the prospect thread. I do read the prospect thread though every once in awhile. For myself I think it helps to read the entire last page or two, even if I have read the posts before just to see the names that pop up more than once.

For people like me who get all of our prospect information from this site, it is easier if it is all in the same place. I suspect many people read it every once in awhile, but not many follow the minors that closely now that the team is competing year after year. I don't read the game day threads that much when I am in the US. I am outside the US now.

Honestly, CSF77 has a good idea with daily or weekly (a couple of times a week) updates so that people can just read the last page and see the trends easily. Keeping the prospect information int the prospect tread just makes it much easier for a people who don't do the research to see the trends. The game series thread will be pushed down in a few weeks and if someone does not catch it then they won't be able to see a trend point later.
 
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CSF77 said:
Then explain his ERA Jump.

I see it as he has late ball movement and changes speed that induces lite contact. That is great and all. But it doesn't explain this current 'him'

I don't live in the past. Shaw and Max are plus stuff guys that can be flat dominate. They can pitch to lite contact or that can just punch them out because their talent is elite.

Hendricks on the other hand can't out talent the hitters. He has to be pin point with his location and velocity change. He can't just blow it past them or drop a mad hammer that buckles their knees or a slider that disappears like those 2.

Again it really is not elite talent that we are talking about here. It is about maxing out the talent that he has. Unfortunately it is not game changing talent.

It is like comparing a 20 Oz bottle and a 1 gal jug. filling up a 20 oz bottle to the top means you have maxed out your bottle. But take that 20 oz and pour it into a 1 gal it looks empty.

That is the difference in talent
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Greg Maddux did not become a great pitcher until he started pitching like Hendricks has always pitched. It just works when most MLB teams see 95 from everyone else. But its Hendricks, he lead the league in ERA and our fans still call him a #5. A #5 that had Cy Young votes.
 
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anotheridiot said:
Greg Maddux did not become a great pitcher until he started pitching like Hendricks has always pitched. It just works when most MLB teams see 95 from everyone else. But its Hendricks, he lead the league in ERA and our fans still call him a #5. A #5 that had Cy Young votes.
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Maddox threw in the low 90’s in his prime. When he came back to the Cubs he was pitching with Kyle’s velocity.

With the Cubs his ERA went up a run then he hid away with SD and LAD which are run suppressing parks.

Kyle depends on late ball movement and velocity change between a 79 MPH change and a 89 MPH 2 seem. Both and moving around normally but that 10 MPH difference is the key on confusing a hitters timing.

Now when you start leaving 86 mph LOLLIPOPS over the hot zone you start to see yesterday’s results.

One thing Greg mastered was a tailing fastball that started at a lefties chin and fell over the inside corner at the belt. That froze lefties all day and nullified them in general. Kyle doesn’t have that pitch.
 
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CSF77 said:
Maddox threw in the low 90’s in his prime. When he came back to the Cubs he was pitching with Kyle’s velocity.

With the Cubs his ERA went up a run then he hid away with SD and LAD which are run suppressing parks.

Kyle depends on late ball movement and velocity change between a 79 MPH change and a 89 MPH 2 seem. Both and moving around normally but that 10 MPH difference is the key on confusing a hitters timing.

Now when you start leaving 86 mph LOLLIPOPS over the hot zone you start to see yesterday’s results.

One thing Greg mastered was a tailing fastball that started at a lefties chin and fell over the inside corner at the belt. That froze lefties all day and nullified them in general. Kyle doesn’t have that pitch.
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You can also add Maddux was able to exploit the corners and benefited from getting the calls off the plate because of his pinpoint control..


Hendricks just not fooling anyone..
Strikeouts are down, walks are up

Hitters are basically sitting back and waiting for a soft meatball over the plate to drive now...

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chibears55 said:
You can also add Maddux was able to exploit the corners and benefited from getting the calls off the plate because of his pinpoint control..


Hendricks just not fooling anyone..
Strikeouts are down, walks are up

Hitters are basically sitting back and waiting for a soft meatball over the plate to drive now...

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Joe confirmed what I noticed. Last year he dropped to 84-86 and caused his bloat. This year he has been healthy and the velocity is hovering around 90. He is not executing his pitches.

He didn't know if it is a release point issue or a grip situation but he is lacking late ball movement.

Getting to Greg: Greg was able to generate ball movement by increasing or decreasing finger pressure on the ball in his grip. It seems very slight and barely noticeable but that increase or decrease would change the amount of ball movement.

He was a master of his craft and he knew where that ball was going.
 
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chibears55 said:
You can also add Maddux was able to exploit the corners and benefited from getting the calls off the plate because of his pinpoint control..


Hendricks just not fooling anyone..
Strikeouts are down, walks are up

Hitters are basically sitting back and waiting for a soft meatball over the plate to drive now...

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It does not help when the k zone says kyle is hitting the corner and he does not get the call either. I wont blame it on the ump, but if he is not getting the corners, he has no other option.
 
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It does not help when the k zone says kyle is hitting the corner and he does not get the call either. I wont blame it on the ump, but if he is not getting the corners, he has no other option.
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Agree..

Hw not getting the corners and being pretty much a sift tosser, if he cant get those pitches on the edges called strikes and has to come in over the plate more he gonna get crushed...

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Not good at all.

So we are looking at:

Q today
3 games vs Minn, (Monty/TBD/TBD)
Monday off
Tue-Wed vs Det
Thurs off
Then a 6 game run.

I honestly think with the off days that they should spot start Hendricks and Chatwood in general and keep Q/Lester/Monty on regular 5 day rest.

25: Underwood
26: Lester
27: Hendricks
28: Q
29: Monty
30: Chatwood
1: Lester
2: Off
3: Q
4: Monty
5: off
6: Lester
7: Hendricks or Chatwood
8: Q
9: Monty
10: Hendricks or Chatwood
11: Lester
12: off
13: Q
14: Monty
15: Hendricks or Chatwood
ASG


Season resets on the 19th with Lester opening 2nd half.

now the Cubs go into a 11 day run right off the bat with a Sat DH. That is a point when you would think of expanding to 6 guys and adding Underwood for the DH. Hopefully Darvish returns stable and all. If it looks more serious then they need to start looking to make a deal.
 
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"Jason Heyward came in from the outfield and he was raving [about Maples]," Maddon said. "[Heyward] said, 'You don't realize how much that ball was moving.' It seems to me he's fitting into his Major League skin better. He looked relaxed out there and you could see it in the dugout. We'll get him back up here because that stuff there is really high end."

• Carl Edwards Jr., on the disabled list with right shoulder inflammation, will make a Minor League rehab outing Friday with Iowa.
 
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Almora has to get over his fear of the wall. He cant be falling down in fear every time his feat touch the warning track. 3rd time this year.
 
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What was the point of having Q pitch to the pitcher if he was just gonna pull him afterwards...

Should of just started the inning with Cishek

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They needed that Win...

5 series 14 games left before the break..

Be nice to win all 5 series and finish over .500 in the final 14 games

Get the injured players back , flip that switch and get on a roll to start the 2nd half..

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