Sucks How the Refs Can Directly Affect the Outcome of a Game

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EDPeezy said:
Block in the back would have been an absurd call to make

The defender comes flying in and wasn’t anywhere near making a tackle. Yeah, the guy finishes him off by shoving him but I’d be irate if my team was called for that. He completely over ran the play. He had no chance at making that tackle.
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It doesn't matter where the penalty happens. It is and should be called a penalty.

How many times has there been a penalty called on one side of the field when the play is on the complete other side of the field? Still a penalty.
 
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JoJoBoxer said:
That is an excellent question and the truthful response is that I don't know.

It probably has to begin by getting rid of that idiot in the top spot of officiating, Alberto Riveron. Considering that he does everything to defend the officials, it is already starting by having to fight an uphill battle. Consider how he used one (wrong) point in time to defend the Miller "drop" in his video. How can we expect some form of policing the officials if the head of officials cannot be honest?
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Yet you still can't 2 and 2 together and realize it's done entirely on purpose.
 
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delbjork1937 said:
Yet you still can't 2 and 2 together and realize it's done entirely on purpose.
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You can't put 2 and 2 together and realize that these threads are to have conversations and saying that "Oh, it's done entirely on purpose" kind of ends all conversations?
 
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The Thielen catch really has to hurt, because if they don't blow it dead immediately, it gets reviewed when he scores. And then no harm is done, really. But blowing it dead like that just straight up kills it. Sucks for them.

I mean, fuck Minnesota and all. But it sucks for them.

Honestly, I think they should add a rule in for calls like that. Call it the "controversial call rule" or "big play rule" or something. And let the booth be able to call down a review of that play. It would be hard for them to just award them a touchdown. But you could give them the ball at the 20 or something with a little note attached that says, "Sorry we fucking suck and ruined your touchdown. Please accept the ball at the 20 yard line."
 
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The entire thing is designed to make the game exciting and controversial. There's no accident or misinterpretation happening.
Mission accomplished
 
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Bearly said:
Why don't I find that unusual?
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Moving the goalposts (or shifting the goalposts) is a metaphor, derived from goal-based sports, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while it is still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an intentional advantage or disadvantage.
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Since you didn't seem to understand, your statement was stupid because it had no bearing on the conversation. Try to defend you position.
 

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All the Ref BS starts to make the game unwatchable as people are frustrated with the nonsense bullshit magnified 1000x if it is Your team.

Watching the game again I loved the Joe Buck Mike Perrera comments on the Thielen Non- TD.

Joe Buck- (seriously)" Thats not fair"

Mike Perrera (sarcastic) " DARN!

Perrera needs a real Job he seems to see a lot of the nonsense and dispute the Balndino and the current Ref Knuckleheads in NY
 
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jojoboxer said:
since you didn't seem to understand, your statement was stupid because it had no bearing on the conversation. Try to defend you position.
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LOL.
Moving the goalposts refers to changing the rules to put you at a disadvantage once a previous standard has been established. That extends to calling infractions differently or consistently which in effect is changing the rules. The roughing the QB change would apply until it becomes understood as the new norm.

Here's another definition:
move the goalposts

If someone moves the goalposts, they change the rules or aims in a situation or activity, in order to gain an advantage and to make things more difficult for the other people involved. He was always moving the goalposts so that we could never anticipate what he wanted. They seem to move the goalposts every time I meet the required conditions. Note: You can also say that someone shifts the goalposts. The administration is shifting the goalposts and changing its demands.

By being inconsistent in their calls or by simply changing the circumstances of making the calls, like that for roughing the QB, the refs and NFL are in effect 'moving the goalposts' when players and fans feel they meeting the conditions of the rule. Refs determining the outcome of a game, as the OP suggests, means they have done precisely that, otherwise the players and teams would be determining the outcome with the refs being consistent in their actions within the margin of error.

Now pull your boxers out of your crack or I'll get Remy to help me.
 
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Bearly said:
LOL.
Moving the goalposts refers to changing the rules to put you at a disadvantage once a previous standard has been established. That extends to calling infractions differently or consistently which in effect is changing the rules. The roughing the QB change would apply until it becomes understood as the new norm.

Here's another definition:
move the goalposts

If someone moves the goalposts, they change the rules or aims in a situation or activity, in order to gain an advantage and to make things more difficult for the other people involved. He was always moving the goalposts so that we could never anticipate what he wanted. They seem to move the goalposts every time I meet the required conditions. Note: You can also say that someone shifts the goalposts. The administration is shifting the goalposts and changing its demands.

By being inconsistent in their calls or by simply changing the circumstances of making the calls, like that for roughing the QB, the refs and NFL are in effect 'moving the goalposts' when players and fans feel they meeting the conditions of the rule. Refs determining the outcome of a game, as the OP suggests, means they have done precisely that, otherwise the players and teams would be determining the outcome with the refs being consistent in their actions within the margin of error.

Now pull your boxers out of your crack or I'll get Remy to help me.
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So you are of the school that thinks that the refs are actively "moving the goalposts" to help one of the participants gain an advantage.

I see your point. I don't agree with it, but I see your point.

Note that being inconsistent in making calls is not "moving the goalpost" unless they are always moving the goalposts closer for a team that they want to help and moving the goalposts farther away for a team who is playing against a team that they want to help.

Being inconsistent in their calls is just a natural condition of having human beings making the calls. Their inconsistencies are the wind factor in the goalpost example, it may have been a breeze on one field goal for one team, but it may be a gale storm for the same team on the next field goal.
 
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I wonder how much money was won and lost on that single quick whistle? Someone check and see if that ref bought a new boat this week.
 

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JoJoBoxer said:
It doesn't matter where the penalty happens. It is and should be called a penalty.

How many times has there been a penalty called on one side of the field when the play is on the complete other side of the field? Still a penalty.
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Not on that play. It was hardly a block in the back to begin with. The defender almost gives his back to the blocker. Maybe guys should just run backwards and when you touch them it’s a block in the back. The Vikings player completely over runs the play. Just lol at rewarding a guy for what he did. Watch the replay. Under your logic a guy should literally just run around ackwards then as soon as they get touched fall down and viola, blocking in the back. Defenders should just start leaving their feet and flailing backwards into a crowd of people and when someone touches their back they get a blocking in the back penalty . The defender made terrible play and a result basically almost runs by the blocker and gives him his back. There’s no way a ref should ever flag that. You’re completely defecating on the spirit of the rule by arguing that’s a block in the back. The defender almost basically throws his back at the blocker.
 
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Not on that play. It was hardly a block in the back to begin with. The defender almost gives his back to the blocker. Maybe guys should just run backwards and when you touch them it’s a block in the back. The Vikings player completely over runs the play. Just lol at rewarding a guy for what he did. Watch the replay. Under your logic a guy should literally just run around ackwards then as soon as they get touched fall down and viola, blocking in the back. Defenders should just start leaving their feet and flailing backwards into a crowd of people and when someone touches their back they get a blocking in the back penalty . The defender made terrible play and a result basically almost runs by the blocker and gives him his back. There’s no way a ref should ever flag that. You’re completely defecating on the spirit of the rule by arguing that’s a block in the back.
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Not even in soccer nor basketball does that work. But thanks for trying.

Oh, by the way. Yes, on that play. A block in the back was called. The flag was later picked up.
 
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delbjork1937 said:
The entire thing is designed to make the game exciting and controversial. There's no accident or misinterpretation happening.
Mission accomplished
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Yeah, penalties are exciting as fuck, you wunderkind
 
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JoJoBoxer said:
So you are of the school that thinks that the refs are actively "moving the goalposts" to help one of the participants gain an advantage.

I see your point. I don't agree with it, but I see your point.

Note that being inconsistent in making calls is not "moving the goalpost" unless they are always moving the goalposts closer for a team that they want to help and moving the goalposts farther away for a team who is playing against a team that they want to help.

Being inconsistent in their calls is just a natural condition of having human beings making the calls. Their inconsistencies are the wind factor in the goalpost example, it may have been a breeze on one field goal for one team, but it may be a gale storm for the same team on the next field goal.
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If they are changing outcomes, yes. Though common usage implies intent, it's not required. Changing outcomes means that you've given advantage to a team that should have had the same chance to win... IMO
 

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Not even in soccer nor basketball does that work. But thanks for trying.

Oh, by the way. Yes, on that play. A block in the back was called. The flag was later picked up.
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Soccer or basketball? What are you talking about?

They picked up the flag because they saw what happened and made a logical decision not to reward the defender for making such a terrible play that results in him running into the path of a 300 pound man with his back to him (almost more like his side) because he completely over runs a play. The blockers momentum is carrying him into the defender anyway. But because the defender makes such a terrible play and completely over runs everything he ends up somehow throwing his back right into the path of the blocker.

You’re probably right though. It’s not anything close to what I’m thinking. The refs just like the Rams more. Yeah, that’s the ticket. They had a lot of money on LA and they’re cheaters. That’s why they chose to pick up the flag. Not because it would have been absurd to flag that and reward the defenders incompetence, but rather because they’re cheaters. You think the FBI might be involved? Maybe it’s the Illuminati? who knows? You need to get to the bottom of this. This may go way deeper than even me or you could imagine.
 
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Few horrible calls on the Fins vs Raiders, have to be the better team overcome it sometimes.
 
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