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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    It's more that Smyly was vastly overrated around here.
    You mean he wasn't going to come in and dominate as a No. 3 starter?
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    wow, what was Smyly gonna make 2 or 5 million? Maybe there is some truth to staying under 206.
    $7 mill

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    It's more that Smyly was vastly overrated around here.
    If he had low value he wouldn’t be a easy trade. That deal happened because his hit vs tax was 5M and that is a complete bargain for a rotation arm. Pricy for a pen arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickSix View Post
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    $7 mill
    7 was the cost but it was 5 vs tax threshold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    If he had low value he wouldn’t be a easy trade. That deal happened because his hit vs tax was 5M and that is a complete bargain for a rotation arm. Pricy for a pen arm.
    A guy who hasn't thrown a pitch in MLB in two years is hardly a bargain, at any price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    It's more that Smyly was vastly overrated around here.
    Yes,moving Smyly was due to CCS overrating him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    A guy who hasn't thrown a pitch in MLB in two years is hardly a bargain, at any price.
    I’ll call BS on this one. Too many times pitchers come back better. Rangers IMO are getting a steal. Guess they thought so also because the did it with out batting a eye.

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    Just of it and it makes sense here:

    In essence, then, the reportedly forthcoming trade is a somewhat creative means of the Cubs retaining Hamels while still receiving the benefit of the same level of financial compensation from the Texas organization — if not a bit more. The Rangers will absorb either all of Smyly’s $7MM salary or, speculatively speaking, could agree to pay $6MM of that sum with the Cubs eating $1MM in cost in order to keep the dollars at the same level they’d have been had Texas merely paid the buyout.

    In the end, the Rangers will receive a desperately needed rotation piece, while the Cubs will retain the former Phillies ace who immediately won the hearts of Cubs fans with an otherworldly run of success following the trade. Hamels allowed just five runs, total, through his first seven starts with the Cubs and finished out the season with a 2.36 ERA in 76 1/3 innings for the Cubs.

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    Sounds like a PTBNL from each side. Doubt any impact. But it gives the 6M opt relief in effect.

    I’m not sure about the current state post trade/resign. But it has to be right around 206M. Sad thing is Kintzler pulling his 5M caused this issue so I’m guessing he is going to be viewed poorly this upcoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anotheridiot View Post
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    wow, what was Smyly gonna make 2 or 5 million? Maybe there is some truth to staying under 206.
    I just read 7 million he is owed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    Sounds like a PTBNL from each side. Doubt any impact. But it gives the 6M opt relief in effect.

    I’m not sure about the current state post trade/resign. But it has to be right around 206M. Sad thing is Kintzler pulling his 5M caused this issue so I’m guessing he is going to be viewed poorly this upcoming.
    Why? Team option for Kintzler was 10 million. The point is, if they are so worried about even touching the low end of the threshold, then why should fans believe they will sign a 30 million dollar man and reach the upper threshold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    I’ll call BS on this one. Too many times pitchers come back better. Rangers IMO are getting a steal. Guess they thought so also because the did it with out batting a eye.
    If they did not do it, they could have owed Hamels 6 million for absolutely nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TL1961 View Post
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    Yes,moving Smyly was due to CCS overrating him.
    Obviously not what I said, but you do you.

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    I’ll call BS on this one. Too many times pitchers come back better. Rangers IMO are getting a steal. Guess they thought so also because the did it with out batting a eye.
    MLB pitchers should be jumping for joy when they tear their UCLs? I had no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    Obviously not what I said, but you do you.



    MLB pitchers should be jumping for joy when they tear their UCLs? I had no idea.
    When surgeon Frank Jobe, MD, performed the first UCL reconstruction on Tommy John in 1974, a torn UCL tear was considered to be a game-ending injury for most players.

    But now, up to 85% of patients who undergo this surgery are able to resume their sport at, or even above, their previous level of competition.

    WebMD Medical Reference Reviewed by Tyler Wheeler, MD on October 24, 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    When surgeon Frank Jobe, MD, performed the first UCL reconstruction on Tommy John in 1974, a torn UCL tear was considered to be a game-ending injury for most players.

    But now, up to 85% of patients who undergo this surgery are able to resume their sport at, or even above, their previous level of competition.

    WebMD Medical Reference Reviewed by Tyler Wheeler, MD on October 24, 2017
    I think you'll start seeing less and less improvement after Tommy John. What made pitchers better after Tommy John is the training they received and continued to do. Now the majority are doing that type of training before needing TJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parade_Rain View Post
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    I think you'll start seeing less and less improvement after Tommy John. What made pitchers better after Tommy John is the training they received and continued to do. Now the majority are doing that type of training before needing TJ.
    Part of it is the replacement tendon comes from a stronger tendon in the body or a donor.

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    If Hamels were to sign an extension, e.g. 2 more years for 25 M more, would that take his CBT down to 15 M if they wanted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor76 View Post
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    If Hamels were to sign an extension, e.g. 2 more years for 25 M more, would that take his CBT down to 15 M if they wanted?
    No done deal.

    Cubs took the 20M opt. Traded Smyly for 7M to offset the hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor76 View Post
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    If Hamels were to sign an extension, e.g. 2 more years for 25 M more, would that take his CBT down to 15 M if they wanted?
    They picked up his option for 20 mil
    So by trading Smyley and his 7

    Like their paying him 13

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    Payroll:
    14.5M for player benefits
    40 man in minors: 2.25M

    Lester: 25,833,333
    Heyward: 23M
    Darvish: 21M
    Hamels: 20M
    Zobrist: 14M
    Chatwood: 12,666,667
    Quintana: 10.5M
    Morrow: 10.5M
    Cishek: 6.5M
    Strop: 6.25M
    Rizzo: 5,857,143
    Kintzler: 5M
    Duesing 3.5M
    (164857,143}
    Arb cases: 42.250M est

    So realistically you would want to remove 15M. Chatwood is unmovable so lets don't conciser this one. Zobrist would be a prime mover at 14M but I doubt they do this. Not with Joe under contract. If he was removed then way more likely.

    What I feel is more intellegent is to trade Chatwood for Fowler. They need a lead off type and it worked before. Fowlers hit is $16,500,000 so it pushes payroll up 3,833,333. So just over 225M That point trading Russell's projected 5.25M for a A ball player drops it back to 220M.

    So Line up would be:

    Fowler
    Bryant
    Rizzo
    Zobrist
    Baez
    Heyward
    Contreras
    Schwarber

    At this point they can start to invest into the pen.
    Pen is:
    Morrow 9th
    Strop 8th
    Cishek 7th

    Montgomery
    Kintzler
    Duesing

    Edwards in 1st Arb case and Rosario as hold overs. This feels a bit train wreck and a high leverage lefty would be nice and using trade chips would be ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibears55 View Post
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    They picked up his option for 20 mil
    So by trading Smyley and his 7

    Like their paying him 13
    That I know and thank you. What I am asking is if he were to sign an extension could it be written so that it would lessen the 20M hit for 2019?

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    I doubt it. The 20M was a deal with the Rangers and the Cubs I acted it. They would have had to not offer and the Rangers pick up the 6 as per contract. Then they could have written up a new working deal to the ire of the Rangers.

    I just dont think that the Cubs want to be stuck to him more that this year. Age is a part of it but this ties to giving Joe a last shot. I could easily see a OF upgrade. Almora pretty much was assed our after they picked up Murphy so it is a area of opertunity. I just don’t see them viewing Almora as every day. Thus the Chatwood for Fowler idea. It fills a need and removes a 6-7 starter. And spending 13M on a mop up is fucking stupid.

    In reality if you in theory bought Harper it would be to split up Bryant and Baez. Which Rizzo is doing ATM. Which would free up Rizzo to lead off again. Fowler is a far cheaper resolution here. In reality Harper is 15HR more. Rest are wash. I just see Fowler’s skill set more suited to playing in Wrigley.
    But for a 4 mil increase vs a 30M increase which is a smarter choice. Fowler fueled 2016. Add to it he is still 32. So a rebound is within his capacity

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