We need to clear some things up on here

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Actually you did...

First it was the OLine's fault that Cutler individual performance wasn't good...until it was pointed out that a journeyman QB outplayed him in 2013.

Then you diverted to overall record in 2013.
I did, which post was it that I wavered in? I answered your question regarding a history of Jay Cutler, not 2013. So, not sure what post you're referring to.

Edit: oh, and that post was a newspaper article prior to 2013. hmmmmmmm
 

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I did, which post was it that I wavered in? I answered your question regarding a history of Jay Cutler, not 2013. So, not sure what post you're referring to.

Edit: oh, and that post was a newspaper article prior to 2013. hmmmmmmm

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yep you gave me post #427, I posted it up again and asked you where I wavered? So where did I waver?

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I hope you're doing this on purpose
 

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Possibly the system helped him. But the defenses he played in the bottom 5 of the league and the dropped INTs helped him more.

Are we seriously going back to the almost INT argument? Every QB has INT's dropped, so the same can be said for Cutler. As for playing inferior defenses, Cutler and McCown both played GB and Min. Here is a comparison of both players against common opponenets

GB:

Cutler - 15/24 226 yards 2 TD's 1 Int (but lets count that as 0 because it was on a last ditch effort at the end of the game)
McCown - 22/41 272 yards 2 TD's 0 Int

Min:

Cutler - 27/38 292 yards 3 TD's 2 Int
McCown - 23/36 355 yards 2 TD's 0 Int

Let's now compare similar defenses and see how each stack up.

Pitts ranked 14th in points against and 13th in yards against, StL ranked 13th in points against and 15th in yards against

Cutler against Pitt - 20/30 159 yards 1 TD 0 Int
McCown against StL - 36/47 352 yards 2 TD's 1 Int

NYG ranked 18th in points against and 8th in yards against, Baltimore ranked 12th in points against and 12th in yards against

Cutler - 24/36 262yards 2 TD's 0 Int's
McCown - 19/31 216 yards 1 TD

Phi ranked 17th in points against and 29th in yards against, Dal ranked 26th in points against and last in yards against (Philly was as comparable as I could get for Dallas)

Cutler vs Phi - 20/35 222 yards 1 TD 1 Int
McCown vs Dal - 27/36 348 yards 4 TD's 0 Int

Point being even when Cutler played the exact same defenses and/or comparable defenses he still got out played by McCown with maybe the exception of the Giants/Baltimore game.
 

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What on earth are you talking about?

No one is questioning his stats were better in 2013. So what?

Cutler's stats were better than Romo's and Luck's in 2013, and???? (total QBR)

No they werent
 

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nope! seems record is unimportant to you.

I thought records were for teams not individuals, you really need to make up your mind
 

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did I say that? post the quote!
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again, nope. No one has ever stated that. Only you.

The team lost as a team and the team won as a team. individuals made plays to contribute to the wins and individuals sucked to contribute to the losses.

It's like you can't keep up with your own bullshit
 

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It's like you can't keep up with your own bullshit

I stand by that statement. I also stated that individuals made plays and others sucked. Still don't see where it is a contradiction to anything i said after it. The record for McClown was 3 and 2 as a bear. his individual efforts count, I never stated that they didn't, as a team his record while on the team was 3-2. he contributed to win three as well didn't do enough to win two more. Not sure how this is different than Cutler. The team was under .500 5- 10, he sucked and the team as a whole sucked. Many, many reasons outside Cutler or McClown.
 

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