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makes me think these reporters are really reaching now. We would need to get Gleybor back.

That 3B would be a decent start. Add a pitching prospect.



  • DEIVI GARCIA
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    Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 55
    7/16: Garcia promoted to Triple-A
    After spending $18.1 million on the 2014 international market, the Yankees were restricted to giving out bonuses of no more than $300,000 the following summer, yet they still landed a pair of quality pitching prospects in Dominican right-handers Garcia ($200,000) and Luis Medina ($280,000). While Medina has louder stuff, Garcia has much more polish and used it to rush from low Class A to Double-A in only three months at age 19 last year. He struck out 12 in seven perfect innings in the second game of a Class A Advanced doubleheader on Aug. 6, though his Tampa team lost the game (but not the no-hitter) in the eighth.
    Garcia's best pitch is a high-spin curveball with so much depth that he'll have to prove he can land it for strikes when more advanced hitters don't chase it out of the zone as often. He also gets good spin on his fastball, which plays better than its 91-96 mph velocity with deceptive riding life. He made strides with his fading changeup in 2018, creating optimism that it can become at least a solid third offering.
    Though he doesn't have the smoothest delivery, Garcia repeats it well and exhibits advanced control and command for such a young pitcher. Because he's small and works with some effort, there are some concerns about his long-term durability as a starter, but his athleticism and efficiency help his cause. His fastball/curveball combination should play well in the late innings if he winds up as a reliever.
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That 3B would be a decent start. Add a pitching prospect.



  • DEIVI GARCIA
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    Team: New York Yankees ETA: 2020 Position: RHP Age: 20 DOB: 05/19/1999 Bats: R Throws: R Height: 5' 9" Weight: 163 lb. Signed: July 2, 2015 - NYY Other Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#62)
    WATCH
    Scouting grades:
    Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 55
    7/16: Garcia promoted to Triple-A
    After spending $18.1 million on the 2014 international market, the Yankees were restricted to giving out bonuses of no more than $300,000 the following summer, yet they still landed a pair of quality pitching prospects in Dominican right-handers Garcia ($200,000) and Luis Medina ($280,000). While Medina has louder stuff, Garcia has much more polish and used it to rush from low Class A to Double-A in only three months at age 19 last year. He struck out 12 in seven perfect innings in the second game of a Class A Advanced doubleheader on Aug. 6, though his Tampa team lost the game (but not the no-hitter) in the eighth.
    Garcia's best pitch is a high-spin curveball with so much depth that he'll have to prove he can land it for strikes when more advanced hitters don't chase it out of the zone as often. He also gets good spin on his fastball, which plays better than its 91-96 mph velocity with deceptive riding life. He made strides with his fading changeup in 2018, creating optimism that it can become at least a solid third offering.
    Though he doesn't have the smoothest delivery, Garcia repeats it well and exhibits advanced control and command for such a young pitcher. Because he's small and works with some effort, there are some concerns about his long-term durability as a starter, but his athleticism and efficiency help his cause. His fastball/curveball combination should play well in the late innings if he winds up as a reliever.
    2019
    FSL
    EAS
    INT
They arent going to do anything until Betts. Trade seems close with him. Bryant would fetch more with the extra year
 

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IMO Bryant should be a Cub for life.
 

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IMO Bryant should be a Cub for life.
Baseball has been different for the past couple of years. Owners have taken back control of the money. There will probably be a strike and KB is going to to be the poster child with the arbitration. Bryant has no intent of giving a discount so the Cubs should always do better for their future,
 

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BTW, the national baseball media is now beginning to say publicly the same thing I've been saying, here -- that there was no reason for the League office to take this long to settle Bryant's grievance, and that it had the impact of the League office deciding whether or not Bryant could be traded this off-season. By pushing it back so far, after sitting on it for several years, there was no conceivable reason for it except to restrict the ability of the Cubs to trade the guy.

Heard Ken Rosenthal say that exact thing on MLB Network yesterday. His words fell just short of calling it a scandal; his tone did not.

How many people have to bring it up before it becomes obvious that the League office is trying to alter competitive balance? That they are trying to encourage specific teams and discourage others because they believe that any post-season featuring the Yankees and/or the Dodgers is better for baseball (and ratings) than post-seasons featuring flyover states like Illinois?

Enough chatter about it, and this scandal might get some changes made in the League office. It is a larger and much more major of a scandal than the Astros stealing signs.

-Doug
 

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BTW, the national baseball media is now beginning to say publicly the same thing I've been saying, here -- that there was no reason for the League office to take this long to settle Bryant's grievance, and that it had the impact of the League office deciding whether or not Bryant could be traded this off-season. By pushing it back so far, after sitting on it for several years, there was no conceivable reason for it except to restrict the ability of the Cubs to trade the guy.

Heard Ken Rosenthal say that exact thing on MLB Network yesterday. His words fell just short of calling it a scandal; his tone did not.

How many people have to bring it up before it becomes obvious that the League office is trying to alter competitive balance? That they are trying to encourage specific teams and discourage others because they believe that any post-season featuring the Yankees and/or the Dodgers is better for baseball (and ratings) than post-seasons featuring flyover states like Illinois?

Enough chatter about it, and this scandal might get some changes made in the League office. It is a larger and much more major of a scandal than the Astros stealing signs.

-Doug

Was it really a problem though? I am pretty sure everyone knew that there was no way the league was going to go against the CBA when they are up for another one so soon. Will they change the CBA because of Bryant? Most probably, but whoever believed they were going against their own rules for one individual was clearly off their rockers. Remember, KB was not a voting member of the CBA when it was voted in last time. You know who votes for the CBA rules? The guys who paid their dues and watch these kids come in and earn more in one year than they have earned their entire careers.
Its sad to say, but Rick Hahn has done more for these players. You dont want to get dicked around by the rules, here are millions and millions of dollars to buy your arby and start with the team out of spring training.
 

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Was it really a problem though? I am pretty sure everyone knew that there was no way the league was going to go against the CBA when they are up for another one so soon. Will they change the CBA because of Bryant? Most probably, but whoever believed they were going against their own rules for one individual was clearly off their rockers. Remember, KB was not a voting member of the CBA when it was voted in last time. You know who votes for the CBA rules? The guys who paid their dues and watch these kids come in and earn more in one year than they have earned their entire careers.
Its sad to say, but Rick Hahn has done more for these players. You dont want to get dicked around by the rules, here are millions and millions of dollars to buy your arby and start with the team out of spring training.

OK. You're the GM of *any* other team in the league. The Cubs offer Bryant in trade for his value back, based on two more years of control. EVERY other GM says "You can't promise me he'll have two years of control, his grievance is still open, so on the very small chance he wins it I will NOT trade you for that value, I'll only trade you for the one year value, either that or wait until the grievance is settled and we can talk then".

We all know that's true; you can deny it if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's true. So yes, it makes a difference.

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OK. You're the GM of *any* other team in the league. The Cubs offer Bryant in trade for his value back, based on two more years of control. EVERY other GM says "You can't promise me he'll have two years of control, his grievance is still open, so on the very small chance he wins it I will NOT trade you for that value, I'll only trade you for the one year value, either that or wait until the grievance is settled and we can talk then".

We all know that's true; you can deny it if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's true. So yes, it makes a difference.

-Doug
If someone really wanted him they could have worked out the two prospects and 2 PTBNL from an agreed list if they got a second year. Wouldn't you have tried to do that if you were a GM of "any" other team in the league if you really wanted the guy? Its not that hard. No place to be a pity whore for the poor cubs who cant get rid of this guy everyone fell in love with from 2013-2016 and now seem like they want to get to his apartment to move him out of town.

Common sense is simply extinct now.
 

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OK. You're the GM of *any* other team in the league. The Cubs offer Bryant in trade for his value back, based on two more years of control. EVERY other GM says "You can't promise me he'll have two years of control, his grievance is still open, so on the very small chance he wins it I will NOT trade you for that value, I'll only trade you for the one year value, either that or wait until the grievance is settled and we can talk then".

We all know that's true; you can deny it if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's true. So yes, it makes a difference.

-Doug
I mean, I dont see much of a difference. Teams could trade for him now with no problem. Its not like its a deadline to learn a playbook or anything.
 

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Add to it the Red Sox are Fielding offers for Betts this late and 1 year of control.

The right match up is a team loaded to win. So I feel that is a more interesting situation right now. I'm figuring that SDP have the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to be able to take on that deal. That would force the LAD to counter.

IMO the team that takes Price also wins that and the SDP have more space available.

You could see the LAD go after Bryant if they lose to keep a edge in talent.
 

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Add to it the Red Sox are Fielding offers for Betts this late and 1 year of control.

The right match up is a team loaded to win. So I feel that is a more interesting situation right now. I'm figuring that SDP have the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to be able to take on that deal. That would force the LAD to counter.

IMO the team that takes Price also wins that and the SDP have more space available.

You could see the LAD go after Bryant if they lose to keep a edge in talent.
LA is known to go after names when all their positions are full, I just dont think LA is shaking in their flip flops because of San Diego yet. I think the padres prefer to spank the dodgers with their prospects and Machado.
 

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There will be no better return then KB's breakout season this year. No promising prospect/s is better than what Kris has done and will do again. He had a slump. Lets see what hes got this year. No need to rebuild just yet. The team looks promising if everyone stays healthy.
 

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There will be no better return then KB's breakout season this year. No promising prospect/s is better than what Kris has done and will do again. He had a slump. Lets see what hes got this year. No need to rebuild just yet. The team looks promising if everyone stays healthy.

I tend to agree, but the Cubs are spending a second straight season basically standing pat, making small, let's-hope-for-a-comeback-season acquisitions. When those pan out, you look like a genius. When they don't, you look like an idiot.

People seem to forget that the Cubs didn't win in '16 by being the most powerful offensive force in the history of baseball. They did it with the best runs scored differential seen in an awfully long time. They weren't actually first in the NL in runs scored that year, I don't think. But they were near best in runs allowed.

As I told people that whole year, it was a flashy team at the plate, but they were winning it with their pitching.

The Cubs have a decent offensive and defensive team coming back, but this team without any further changes won't be a whole lot better than league average at either unless some people have career years, I don't believe. A couple of people are going to have to really get themselves in line for comeback player of the year, like Almora and Souza, and people like Schwarber, Heyward, Bryant, Baez and Rizzo are going to have to have among their best years, for the Cubs to be above average in the field and at the plate.

And we still don't have a certain lead-off hitter or second baseman. Yeah, it will be great if Nico can slot right in to both roles, but there's no way to tell yet. We'd have to luck out there, because if it isn't Nico, we don't seem to have league average offense to play 2B.

And then you have the pitching staff. As I've noted, you can get to the playoffs with mediocre pitching and the best offense in the league, but not consistently and not easily. Do the Cubs have a good enough pitching staff to win a majority of the games when they score 6 runs or less?

Lester is aging, losing velocity, and struggling with getting farther than 4 or 5 innings into a game, ever. Quintana has flashes but slots as a #4 with about a 4.5 to 5 ERA. Hendricks is also losing velo, and had a significant stretch where he couldn't find the zone last year, unsure if he can string good outings throughout a season. Chatwood's control is still uncertain if he ends up out there as a starter, and Alzolay is, shall we say, untested. Darvish is an ace if he's good physically; will he be?

That's the starters. The bullpen looks like it will be made up of a larger than usual number of reclamation projects. We didn't acquire anyone who pitched better last year than the people we lost and are replacing. And the bullpen was a big problem last year.

So -- with issues to be resolved at 2B and CF, at lead-off, and with the pitching we have at the moment, is this a competitive ball club? Even if they find offensive consistency, can this pitching staff win an NL Central that has been spending money and amassing players who *did* play better last year than the people they're replacing?

Again, maybe, but only if every toss of the dice comes up boxcars, every clutch situation is met with a clutch play, and the team plays over their head for much if not all of the year.

Back in '16, the team wasn't playing over their heads. That's the difference. That's why I think the Cubs would field a better team if they could trade Bryant, right now, for a player who can play CF and lead off, plus a decent starting pitcher who can be expected to perform at a #3 level. Bote is not a defensive downgrade from Bryant at third, in fact an upgrade, and if he has a decent year, could slot in in the everyday 3B role. So, the club could improve overall by making such a trade.

Can that kind of trade be made? The options are a lot less right now than they were before other third basemen were signed and traded, prior to when Bryant's grievance was settled. Which is why the timing makes no sense, the Cubs weren't allowed to get out there and really make a trade until after Donaldson signed, and Moustakas signed (to play 2B no less), and Rendon signed, etc., etc., etc. The teams that needed third base help to compete NOW have mostly addressed that need, and as I say, it seems the Cubs weren't allowed to really shop Bryant around until his market had been filled up by other players. That's why a lot of people think that there was something fishy about the timing of the grievance resolution, not just me.

-Doug
 
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I tend to agree, but the Cubs are spending a second straight season basically standing pat, making small, let's-hope-for-a-comeback-season acquisitions. When those pan out, you look like a genius. When they don't, you look like an idiot.

People seem to forget that the Cubs didn't win in '16 by being the most powerful offensive force in the history of baseball. They did it with the best runs scored differential seen in an awfully long time. They weren't actually first in the NL in runs scored that year, I don't think. But they were near best in runs allowed.

As I told people that whole year, it was a flashy team at the plate, but they were winning it with their pitching.

The Cubs have a decent offensive and defensive team coming back, but this team without any further changes won't be a whole lot better than league average at either unless some people have career years, I don't believe. A couple of people are going to have to really get themselves in line for comeback player of the year, like Almora and Souza, and people like Schwarber, Heyward, Bryant, Baez and Rizzo are going to have to have among their best years, for the Cubs to be above average in the field and at the plate.

And we still don't have a certain lead-off hitter or second baseman. Yeah, it will be great if Nico can slot right in to both roles, but there's no way to tell yet. We'd have to luck out there, because if it isn't Nico, we don't seem to have league average offense to play 2B.

And then you have the pitching staff. As I've noted, you can get to the playoffs with mediocre pitching and the best offense in the league, but not consistently and not easily. Do the Cubs have a good enough pitching staff to win a majority of the games when they score 6 runs or less?

Lester is aging, losing velocity, and struggling with getting farther than 4 or 5 innings into a game, ever. Quintana has flashes but slots as a #4 with about a 4.5 to 5 ERA. Hendricks is also losing velo, and had a significant stretch where he couldn't find the zone last year, unsure if he can string good outings throughout a season. Chatwood's control is still uncertain if he ends up out there as a starter, and Alzolay is, shall we say, untested. Darvish is an ace if he's good physically; will he be?

That's the starters. The bullpen looks like it will be made up of a larger than usual number of reclamation projects. We didn't acquire anyone who pitched better last year than the people we lost and are replacing. And the bullpen was a big problem last year.

So -- with issues to be resolved at 2B and CF, at lead-off, and with the pitching we have at the moment, is this a competitive ball club? Even if they find offensive consistency, can this pitching staff win an NL Central that has been spending money and amassing players who *did* play better last year than the people they're replacing?

Again, maybe, but only if every toss of the dice comes up boxcars, every clutch situation is met with a clutch play, and the team plays over their head for much if not all of the year.

Back in '16, the team wasn't playing over their heads. That's the difference. That's why I think the Cubs would field a better team if they could trade Bryant, right now, for a player who can play CF and lead off, plus a decent starting pitcher who can be expected to perform at a #3 level. Bote is not a defensive downgrade from Bryant at third, in fact an upgrade, and if he has a decent year, could slot in in the everyday 3B role. So, the club could improve overall by making such a trade.

Can that kind of trade be made? The options are a lot less right now than they were before other third basemen were signed and traded, prior to when Bryant's grievance was settled. Which is why the timing makes no sense, the Cubs weren't allowed to get out there and really make a trade until after Donaldson signed, and Moustakas signed (to play 2B no less), and Rendon signed, etc., etc., etc. The teams that needed third base help to compete NOW have mostly addressed that need, and as I say, it seems the Cubs weren't allowed to really shop Bryant around until his market had been filled up by other players. That's why a lot of people think that there was something fishy about the timing of the grievance resolution, not just me.

-Doug

Braves could still use a 3B...a package centered around max fried would make sense for the cubs. Not sure if the braves feel they have enough SP to part with fried, though
 

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Braves could still use a 3B...a package centered around max fried would make sense for the cubs. Not sure if the braves feel they have enough SP to part with fried, though

Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure that the only team left with a strong need for 3B doesn't have the pieces to make the trade from the Cubs perspective.

Obviously, if you can't improve the team, don't make the trade...

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I tend to agree, but the Cubs are spending a second straight season basically standing pat, making small, let's-hope-for-a-comeback-season acquisitions. When those pan out, you look like a genius. When they don't, you look like an idiot.

People seem to forget that the Cubs didn't win in '16 by being the most powerful offensive force in the history of baseball. They did it with the best runs scored differential seen in an awfully long time. They weren't actually first in the NL in runs scored that year, I don't think. But they were near best in runs allowed.

As I told people that whole year, it was a flashy team at the plate, but they were winning it with their pitching.

The Cubs have a decent offensive and defensive team coming back, but this team without any further changes won't be a whole lot better than league average at either unless some people have career years, I don't believe. A couple of people are going to have to really get themselves in line for comeback player of the year, like Almora and Souza, and people like Schwarber, Heyward, Bryant, Baez and Rizzo are going to have to have among their best years, for the Cubs to be above average in the field and at the plate.

And we still don't have a certain lead-off hitter or second baseman. Yeah, it will be great if Nico can slot right in to both roles, but there's no way to tell yet. We'd have to luck out there, because if it isn't Nico, we don't seem to have league average offense to play 2B.

And then you have the pitching staff. As I've noted, you can get to the playoffs with mediocre pitching and the best offense in the league, but not consistently and not easily. Do the Cubs have a good enough pitching staff to win a majority of the games when they score 6 runs or less?

Lester is aging, losing velocity, and struggling with getting farther than 4 or 5 innings into a game, ever. Quintana has flashes but slots as a #4 with about a 4.5 to 5 ERA. Hendricks is also losing velo, and had a significant stretch where he couldn't find the zone last year, unsure if he can string good outings throughout a season. Chatwood's control is still uncertain if he ends up out there as a starter, and Alzolay is, shall we say, untested. Darvish is an ace if he's good physically; will he be?

That's the starters. The bullpen looks like it will be made up of a larger than usual number of reclamation projects. We didn't acquire anyone who pitched better last year than the people we lost and are replacing. And the bullpen was a big problem last year.

So -- with issues to be resolved at 2B and CF, at lead-off, and with the pitching we have at the moment, is this a competitive ball club? Even if they find offensive consistency, can this pitching staff win an NL Central that has been spending money and amassing players who *did* play better last year than the people they're replacing?

Again, maybe, but only if every toss of the dice comes up boxcars, every clutch situation is met with a clutch play, and the team plays over their head for much if not all of the year.

Back in '16, the team wasn't playing over their heads. That's the difference. That's why I think the Cubs would field a better team if they could trade Bryant, right now, for a player who can play CF and lead off, plus a decent starting pitcher who can be expected to perform at a #3 level. Bote is not a defensive downgrade from Bryant at third, in fact an upgrade, and if he has a decent year, could slot in in the everyday 3B role. So, the club could improve overall by making such a trade.

Can that kind of trade be made? The options are a lot less right now than they were before other third basemen were signed and traded, prior to when Bryant's grievance was settled. Which is why the timing makes no sense, the Cubs weren't allowed to get out there and really make a trade until after Donaldson signed, and Moustakas signed (to play 2B no less), and Rendon signed, etc., etc., etc. The teams that needed third base help to compete NOW have mostly addressed that need, and as I say, it seems the Cubs weren't allowed to really shop Bryant around until his market had been filled up by other players. That's why a lot of people think that there was something fishy about the timing of the grievance resolution, not just me.

-Doug

That is why you give Nico a legitimate shot to actually be that guy before bringing in a replacement and if not, use the trade deadline. I am sure there will be names shopped around, or maybe Zobrist gets the itch and decides to play a half year.
 

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That is why you give Nico a legitimate shot to actually be that guy before bringing in a replacement and if not, use the trade deadline. I am sure there will be names shopped around, or maybe Zobrist gets the itch and decides to play a half year.

If you're trying to win now, you don't rely on giving a guy who has played for three weeks in the majors, and who was projected being at AAA until 2021, a chance to show if he can handle lead-off. If you're trying to win now, you don't get yourself so high on a kid that you say "Hey, MAYBE he'll have a .400 OBP and be the best lead-off man in the league!" Because yeah, winged monkeys MIGHT fly our of your butt, too...

If you're in a full rebuild, then you give lead-off to a kid who wasn't even projected to be with the big league club and give him a good half the season to see if he can make it work. You don't do that if you're trying to win now.

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If you're trying to win now, you don't rely on giving a guy who has played for three weeks in the majors, and who was projected being at AAA until 2021, a chance to show if he can handle lead-off. If you're trying to win now, you don't get yourself so high on a kid that you say "Hey, MAYBE he'll have a .400 OBP and be the best lead-off man in the league!" Because yeah, winged monkeys MIGHT fly our of your butt, too...

If you're in a full rebuild, then you give lead-off to a kid who wasn't even projected to be with the big league club and give him a good half the season to see if he can make it work. You don't do that if you're trying to win now.

-Doug

Right, you go out and pay 30 million for that guy because you are so impatient that you do not know if you already have him. Kinda reminds me of LaMahieu here. Throw him in with Colvin out to denver because he will never be that guy and our fans are so impatient after waiting a century that we cannot see if we already have that guy.

Your mentality is you never give the guy the chance because he might not do it, not that he might do it. And if he doesnt, you have Happ, Descalso, Bote, Fuckinggarcia, to try while you let your 26 million dollar man off the hook for not being able to do it either. Trade him to some rebuilding club so they can use him.

Nico flew thru the system, hit everywhere he went. AA is where all the prospects are AAA are guys we consider AAAA, tried, failed, never been a had to be spot for players to go. We did it with Schwarber, Minny did it with Bruxton and Rosario, they seem to be doing alright? Remember when Jose Fernandez went from A+ to the majors? RIP If he has it he has it. Armchair GM's say we gotta use all his service time, dont lose that 5th, 6th year of control, gotta keep him down. But you can go out and sign a 20 million dollar guy and watch him hit .230 with a .315 on base and that is ok.

MAybe Theo knows what we have and is prepared to use him and has chosen not to replace him yet. 25th pick in the draft, AA to majors, thats a win, no?
 

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