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I'd be ok with Davis in the deal but pitching isn't what I'd target and Davis would need to be the secondary piece. I think you have to ask about Mauricio which they probably say no. I'd then ask on Mattew Allen and Baty. If NY would give up both of them I'd consider the trade. But I really don't want MLB players in trades unless it's replacing the departing piece like Davies was. I'd much rather see them go out and sign someone like Paxton to a rebound year type deal and give themselves a trade piece in july than to take on players via trade to fill their needs.Mets were talking about Bryant also. JD Davis and Steven Matz. Don't even care. Just need a 3B and a SP that has pitched. Even 1 year of control is awesome sauce
Why? Like I don't get the logic... if you're trading Bryant you're not attempting to win in 2021. So the quality of the innings you get doesn't matter. Sure i you're saying they have young arms who haven't proven they can throw 200 innings and that you need a couple work horse types then I would agree. But the way I see it, i'd much rather them get a decent prospect than trade for a vet pitcher that does nothing for them because they aren't trying to win. I'd much rather see them sign guys like Kluber and Paxton who had down years to reasonable deals and give themselves options for people to trade in july.They need vet SP to net innings this year.
Why? Like I don't get the logic... if you're trading Bryant you're not attempting to win in 2021. So the quality of the innings you get doesn't matter. Sure i you're saying they have young arms who haven't proven they can throw 200 innings and that you need a couple work horse types then I would agree. But the way I see it, i'd much rather them get a decent prospect than trade for a vet pitcher that does nothing for them because they aren't trying to win. I'd much rather see them sign guys like Kluber and Paxton who had down years to reasonable deals and give themselves options for people to trade in july.
And even if those two are too expensive, i'd just assume they bring back someone like Lester cheaply.
I dont see a reason to promote Davis this year. Extend his cost controlled years as far as possible since our next crop of prospects likely won't be ready to contend until 2024 anywayBut a inhouse fix: A weird one but is doable
Roederer and Davis both should be at Tenn out of ST. Both are 21 and can be pushed this year. Play Apr-May in Tenn then June-July in Iowa then Aug-Sept CHC.
This would push the OF to 4 deep. Heyward is the nail in RF. Davis would start in CF. That leaves Happ and Roederer.
I would get creative here. Morel has played some SS and has a strong arm and solid D. His bat is a bit light for 3B. Start him at SS.
3B platoon Happ and Bote. Happ has played league avg 3B. His bat is good enough for it. Bote is not but in a platoon it is fine.
LF would be the rest of Happ's PA's with Roederer getting the most reps there.
This solution works for a few years. 2024 Heyward comes off the books then they can reassess this with the A ball wave pending.
Hmm I notice lindor didn’t net much of a return in the trade...
it’s almost like star players aren’t netting the types of returns they used to
I dont see a reason to promote Davis this year. Extend his cost controlled years as far as possible since our next crop of prospects likely won't be ready to contend until 2024 anyway
2 of the players were on the MLB roster last year.
smokescreen???Mets were talking about Bryant also. JD Davis and Steven Matz. Don't even care. Just need a 3B and a SP that has pitched. Even 1 year of control is awesome sauce
so what?
Francisco Lindor trade winners and losers: Mets pull off heist, which is bad news for Cleveland and NL East
A trade this big affects more than just the two teams involvedwww.google.com
the return was nothing special for a guy considered to be a franchise player. Again, it points to players that make a lot of $$ aren’t getting the returns they used to. Being a great player doesn’t mean you’ll get a great return for them in a trade.
Cleveland should have got a better returnTo keep it in perspective the Cubs got 4 rank 45 players and 1 year of Davies who is a back end of the rotation pitcher. 45-50 grade talent but plays up like Hendricks. For Yu who put up CY Young level production for a years worth of games with 3 years of control. And a catcher that can start on SD with 3 years of control.
Cleveland got a better return.
Cleveland should have got a better return
You realize Gimenez was ranked #92 in 2019, He was not a unranked player. Mercado just jumped in the rankings and made this a easy decision. 2018 Gimenez was their #1 ranked prospect.
The rest were solid players. Rosario has been around for a few years. Wolf has slotted in as Cleveland's #12 ranked prospect. Green #16.
The big difference was Lindor came with 1 year of control. Carlos Carrasco has a long history of injuries. So in that reguard I'll disagree in general. Clevland got a starting SS and a starting 2B. They got a SP prospect who is a grade 50. (mid rotation type) and Green who has all around tools. He might end up the gem in this deal. Field 55, Run 65, Hit 55, arm 50, power 45. Over all 50. Which could end up a lead off type for the indians.
So in reality if the Mets extend Lindor they win. If he hit F/A they could lose on this deal. A former top 100. 2 grade 50 players that look like starters and a experienced 2B for a oft injured SP and 1 year of the best SS in baseball. I'm thinking that Cleveland did pretty well.