Is Mitch a good Quarterback (Kollmann Video)

[truthbedamned]

My eyes glaze over anytime I try and read a R&S post. He is worse than the @hawk trying to multiquote.

 

[Bearly]

The video was full of 'content', but thought the 'analysis' was somewhat pointless. It was like watching a TV show every week, then for some reason after 5 episodes they decide to give a 'recap' show. Yeah, great. We already know what happened. It's not that difficult to figure out. This year will be big in the Trubisky analysis!

We've have this exact same discussion every week, and they all 'devo' into talk about Deshaun Watson being overrated.

Here is what I said last week about this:

TBH, I think QB mechanics are overrated. They are used as a way to explain success/failure/variance, but you can't really find any statistical correlation.

I think a baseball pitcher is different...they are performing in a closed environment and mechanical repetition is important. I think you can find statistical correlation between bad pitching mechanics and bad pitching performance.

Football QB is different. So much of it is decision-making and timing of your throw. DLs are trying to tackle you, so its impossible to have mechanical repetition.

Favre was usually backpedaling when he threw his passes...he avoided DLs falling into his legs and was almost never injured, but it was 'bad mechanics'. I think when Bill Walsh was GM of the Niners, he drafted Jim Druckenmiller of VT really high because he loved Druckenmiller's "mechanics", but he was too robotic to play in the NFL and was bad at making decisions.

I think one interesting tidbit is that Trubisky is at his best when he is working off of Nagy's script. Not sure if that is reflective of Trubisky not really knowing the offense, or if the offense overall simply works better with scripted plays, or what.

Instinct vs trying to run things perfectly. I'm OK with that if correct because at some point, those lines should cross. Issue is "if correct". He's also avoided hero throws and honestly, I'd like more of those as well. Watson is good at that while still throwing away from defenders. Like Mitch, most of his picks are bad reads but he more than offsets them with big plays.

I want Mitch Trubombsky.

 

[Bearly]

Its been a while but I recall McNown being called the most "pro-ready"...I believe Bob Toledo at UCLA ran a more pro-style offense at the time.

That being said McNown was not expected to start right away....He had a problem staying in the pocket.

Also said of Peterman but staying in the pocket isn't his problem and he'll probably never be ready.

 

[run and shoot]

Not sure the point of any of this. Good to know that if a team has a QB "head & shoulders above all other QBs", then the use of the term "top QB" is so questionable that its bolded, as if a QB who is far superior to other QBs isn't a "top" QB.

As for McNown, I don't remember any team/person/entity calling him head & shoulders the best QB in that 1999 draft. The fact that 4 QBs were selected before him seems to bear this out, but I'd be interested to see what you actually are referring to. Please post link. I do agree that McNown's best selling point was the fact that he played in a pro-style offense in a Power 5 conference.

Tim Couch was the first product of the Mumme/Leach Air Raid offense, and people were skeptical of his weak arm and the fact that 74% of his passes traveled less than 10 yards. He definitely wasn't viewed as being head & shoulders better than all the other QBs in the draft.

https://www.si.com/vault/1999/04/19...orn-between-passers-tim-couch-and-akili-smith

So basically nothing you said was true.

@Rory Sparrow ...........

Its been a while but I recall McNown being called the most "pro-ready"...I believe Bob Toledo at UCLA ran a more pro-style offense at the time.

That being said McNown was not expected to start right away....He had a problem staying in the pocket.

@Rory Sparrow ...........
I guess that you could say that Tim Couch is one of the worst first overall picks in NFL draft history.
Couch lasted only five seasons with the Cleveland Browns despite being believed to be the next great passer. The Kentucky product posted a career 22-37 record as a starter while completing only 59.8 percent of his passes and finishing with a 75.1 quarterback rating.
-Bleacher Report, Inc
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I italicized to show it is a Bleacher Report comment.
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@Rory Sparrow ...........
Click & Read it!
Who's the Man With a Golden Arm?; Kentucky's Tim Couch Should Be ... Top Pick

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@Rory Sparrow ...........

"I think Tim Couch will be the most successful QB in the next few years because he'll have the best coaching."

-- Paul Zimmerman, April 20, 1999

 

[Rob Noxious]

And now it's officially a Watson thread.

Missed you guys. Almost time for camp. Chi City Sports stopped working on Tapatalk for me. I’m not a blonde, but I finally figured out that I could just go to the site directly......

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Missed you guys. Almost time for camp. Chi City Sports stopped working on Tapatalk for me. I’m not a blonde, but I finally figured out that I could just go to the site directly......

Lol! I thought I was the only one this happened to I was so confused because it stopped working on Tapatalk I assumed the cite was still being updated.

 

[HeHateMe]

Lol! I thought I was the only one this happened to I was so confused because it stopped working on Tapatalk I assumed the cite was still being updated.

I thought u at 14 knew tech better than me at 42. I am dissapoint

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

I thought u at 14 knew tech better than me at 42. I am dissapoint

Trust me I am more disappointed than you can ever be. I missed this place!

 

[Rob Noxious]

Lol! I thought I was the only one this happened to I was so confused because it stopped working on Tapatalk I assumed the cite was still being updated.

Nice to hear from you West Coast!

 

[Leomaz]

The NFL's 11 best quarterbacks

In today’s NFL, if you don’t have a credible quarterback, you don’t have much of an offense, and it’s highly unlikely that you’ll ever see the inside of a Super Bowl stadium unless you can get your…

touchdownwire.usatoday.com

Trubisky and Watson not in top 11

 

[airtime143]

The NFL's 11 best quarterbacks

In today’s NFL, if you don’t have a credible quarterback, you don’t have much of an offense, and it’s highly unlikely that you’ll ever see the inside of a Super Bowl stadium unless you can get your…

touchdownwire.usatoday.com

Trubisky and Watson not in top 11

That is no shame in this era though.
Looking through that list, the league is as loaded with legends as the early 80s was.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

@Rory Sparrow ...........



@Rory Sparrow ...........
I guess that you could say that Tim Couch is one of the worst first overall picks in NFL draft history.
Couch lasted only five seasons with the Cleveland Browns despite being believed to be the next great passer. The Kentucky product posted a career 22-37 record as a starter while completing only 59.8 percent of his passes and finishing with a 75.1 quarterback rating.
-Bleacher Report, Inc
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I italicized to show it is a Bleacher Report comment.
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@Rory Sparrow ...........
Click & Read it!
Who's the Man With a Golden Arm?; Kentucky's Tim Couch Should Be ... Top Pick

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@Rory Sparrow ...........

-- Paul Zimmerman, April 20, 1999

If there was a way to either give "double thumbs down" or "middle finger" to a CCS post, this would be the one to do it with.

*I said specifically in my post that McNown's big selling point was having played in a pro style offense, so I don't understand why you 'directed' modo's post to me...he agreed with what I said. I still don't see any evidence of McNown being "head & shoulders" the best QB in the 1999 draft.

*You cited a Bleacher Report 'article'.

*The BR article said Couch was believed to be the next great passer...uh, he was the #1 overall pick! Do teams usually take guys #1 overall who they don't believe will be good (other than when the Falcons took Aundray Bruce in the 80's)?

*Zimmerman's comment that Couch will be the best QB because he will get the best coaching...is that indicative of Couch being "head & shoulders" the best QB in the 1999 draft? Or is it just saying that Couch will be in the best situation?

*Finally, and most importantly, I linked to an article that spoke directly about the Browns trying to decide between Akilli Smith and Tim Couch. Did you not read this article? Did you not understand this article? Did you not read all the quotes from Browns HC Chris Palmer? It unquestionably and completely disproved whatever vomit you were spewing about Couch being the clear #1 pick in the 1999 draft. What on earth were/are you talking about?

 

[modo]

If there was a way to either give "double thumbs down" or "middle finger" to a CCS post, this would be the one to do it with.

*I said specifically in my post that McNown's big selling point was having played in a pro style offense, so I don't understand why you 'directed' modo's post to me...he agreed with what I said. I still don't see any evidence of McNown being "head & shoulders" the best QB in the 1999 draft.

*You cited a Bleacher Report 'article'.

*The BR article said Couch was believed to be the next great passer...uh, he was the #1 overall pick! Do teams usually take guys #1 overall who they don't believe will be good (other than when the Falcons took Aundray Bruce in the 80's)?

*Zimmerman's comment that Couch will be the best QB because he will get the best coaching...is that indicative of Couch being "head & shoulders" the best QB in the 1999 draft? Or is it just saying that Couch will be in the best situation?

*Finally, and most importantly, I linked to an article that spoke directly about the Browns trying to decide between Akilli Smith and Tim Couch. Did you not read this article? Did you not understand this article? Did you not read all the quotes from Browns HC Chris Palmer? It unquestionably and completely disproved whatever vomit you were spewing about Couch being the clear #1 pick in the 1999 draft. What on earth were/are you talking about?

Not sure what his last post was supposed to mean from RnS......most pro-ready QB and best potential QB can be mutually exclusive.

Most people looked to Couch as having the best upside, but thought McNown could step in quickly and play.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Not sure what his last post was supposed to mean from RnS......most pro-ready QB and best potential QB can be mutually exclusive.

Most people looked to Couch as having the best upside, but thought McNown could step in quickly and play.

Yeah, it was almost like a mini-Remyvortex...where your verbatim quote that directly disproves his "point" is somehow being used by Remy to strengthen his argument. At least Remy knew how to multi-quote.

 

[modo]

Yeah, it was almost like a mini-Remyvortex...where your verbatim quote that directly disproves his "point" is somehow being used by Remy to strengthen his argument. At least Remy knew how to multi-quote.

as a side note, I was mildly excited when the Bears tried to take a flyer on Couch in 2005

 

[Rory Sparrow]

as a side note, I was mildly excited when the Bears tried to take a flyer on Couch in 2005

I couldn't imagine pairing Couch with McNown, as they were both clearly "head & shoulders" the best QB of the same draft class.

"The 19-year old righthanded curveballer is just 18 years old!"
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[modo]

I couldn't imagine pairing Couch with McNown, as they were both clearly "head & shoulders" the best QB of the same draft class.

"The 19-year old righthanded curveballer is just 18 years old!"
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I think it was to potentially replace the loss of Grossman's typical early career season ending injury. Orton needed a backup.

 

[remydat]

Yeah, it was almost like a mini-Remyvortex...where your verbatim quote that directly disproves his "point" is somehow being used by Remy to strengthen his argument. At least Remy knew how to multi-quote.

This is an offensive comparison. If I had white gloves I would slap the shit outta you and challenge you to a duel.

 

[modo]

This is an offensive comparison. If I had white gloves I would slap the shit outta you and challenge you to a duel.

is this a race thing?

 

[Rory Sparrow]

This is an offensive comparison. If I had white gloves I would slap the shit outta you and challenge you to a duel.

I at least gave you credit for your multi-quoting skills.