Leonard Floyd Ready for a Breakout Season?

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Sure. If a player claimed they were forced to play football then I would call bullshit.

However players did not in fact know the long term risks of concussions because the NFL hid it.

So do not think you can just presume exploitation without specific allegations of exploitation backed with evidence. There was no evidence in the article that this woman was forced to enter the industry or exploited. The issues they did raise appeared to stem from her personal life ie shitty parents and boyfriends not her job.


lol....and the porn industry gives all its disclaimers up front about drug usage and high suicide rates
 

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lol....and the porn industry gives all its disclaimers up front about drug usage and high suicide rates
We should outlaw porn, in an effort to stop drug usage by promiscuous people.
 

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or just police it a little better
Do people that abuse drugs and commit suicide do so because of the porn industry, or does the nature of the porn industry attract the type of people that do drugs and kill themselves?

Making an NFL comparison is apples and oranges. Anyone willing to take off their pants in front of a camera can do porn. The NFL houses the best of the best athletes.

Argument sucks.
 

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Do people that abuse drugs and commit suicide do so because of the porn industry, or does the nature of the porn industry attract the type of people that do drugs and kill themselves?

Making an NFL comparison is apples and oranges. Anyone willing to take off their pants in front of a camera can do porn. The NFL houses the best of the best athletes.

Argument sucks.

And according to Remy porn stars know what they are getting into......My counter argument is that NFL players know what they are getting into.....The secret is out on the NFL and concussions.....there should be zero sympathy for them if you aren't willing to do the same for the porn industry.....its a double standard.
 

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And according to Remy porn stars know what they are getting into......My counter argument is that NFL players know what they are getting into.....The secret is out on the NFL and concussions.....there should be zero sympathy for them if you aren't willing to do the same for the porn industry.....its a double standard.
I have zero sympathy for either, no idea why anyone would at this point.
 

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I have zero sympathy for either, no idea why anyone would at this point.

and you are certainly welcome to that. I was debating with Remy, who does have a double standard...at least you are consistent.
 

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lol....and the porn industry gives all its disclaimers up front about drug usage and high suicide rates

Think you are confusing cause and effect. Think a lot of troubled people end up in porn which is a far cry from porn causing their troubles.

Porn didn't cause this women to have shitty parents or date a gang banger or a pimp.
 

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Think you are confusing cause and effect. Think a lot of troubled people end up in porn which is a far cry from porn causing their troubles.

Porn didn't cause this women to have shitty parents or date a gang banger or a pimp.


https://fightthenewdrug.org/10-porn-stars-speak-openly-about-their-most-popular-scenes/

Jan
“Of course I lied to my fans. I led them to believe I lived a fantasy life which was far from the truth. I fed into their fantasies. I said I wanted sex 24/7 and made it seem like I absolutely loved what I did and was living this happy life. I gave them hope and insight into their relationships by telling them what to do. I started to feel like an important nobody, they knew Elizabeth [the porn star], but they would never care to know Jan [the real me].

I had to do whatever the producer pleased and I had to accept it or else no pay. Sometimes you would get to a gig and the producer would change what the scene was supposed to be to something more intense and again if you didn’t like it, too bad, you did it or no pay.”

Anita
“I have been a performer now for 14 years in the adult film industry in many countries, states…all over the place. I have worked for most of these companies, and I was around for the once-a-month HIV-positive outbreak in ’98. Yes, I was, and I got to see those performers that nobody knows about—that nobody claims that got HIV, that are not a part of the statistics—walk out the door as non-performers, not to be counted. Yeah, there are a lot of cover-ups going on. There is a lot of tragedy. There are a lot of horrible things.”

Regan
“I got the **** kicked out of me… most of the girls start crying because they’re hurting so bad… I couldn’t breathe. I was being hit and choked. I was really upset and they didn’t stop. They kept filming. [I asked them to turn the camera off] and they kept going.”

Andi
“After a year or so of that so-called ‘glamorous life,’ I sadly discovered that drugs and drinking were part of the lifestyle. I began to drink and party of out control—cocaine, alcohol, and ecstasy were my favorites. Before long, I turned into a person I did not want to be. After doing so many hardcore scenes, I couldn’t do it anymore. I just remember being in horrible situations and experiencing extreme depression and being alone and sad.”

Jessi
“It was the most degrading, embarrassing, horrible thing ever. I had to shoot an interactive DVD, which takes hours and hours of shooting time, with a 104 degree fever! I was crying and wanted to leave but my agent wouldn’t let me, he said he couldn’t let me flake on it. I also did a scene where I was put with male talent that was on my ‘no list’. I wanted to please them so I did it. He stepped on my head […] I freaked out and started bawling; they stopped filming and sent me home with reduced pay since they got some shot but not the whole scene.”
 

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And according to Remy porn stars know what they are getting into......My counter argument is that NFL players know what they are getting into.....The secret is out on the NFL and concussions.....there should be zero sympathy for them if you aren't willing to do the same for the porn industry.....its a double standard.

Except this was not my argument. My argument was the NFL hid the risk of concussions and head injuries and there is evidence to support that fact.

I never made any argument as it relates to NFL players today that are now aware of the risk. I dont think NFL players today are exploited. I think NFL players in the past were exploited and I have evidence to support it.

By contrast you have provided no evidence to support your arguments regarding this particular woman being exploited by the poen industry. Can you please provide evidence instead of sweeping generalizations and demonization?
 

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Except this was not my argument. My argument was the NFL hid the risk of concussions and head injuries and there is evidence to support that fact.

I never made any argument as it relates to NFL players today that are now aware of the risk. I dont think NFL players today are exploited. I think NFL players in the past were exploited and I have evidence to support it.

By contrast you have provided no evidence to support your arguments regarding this particular woman being exploited by the poen industry. Can you please provide evidence instead of sweeping generalizations and demonization?

see the post above....
 

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https://fightthenewdrug.org/10-porn-stars-speak-openly-about-their-most-popular-scenes/

Jan
“Of course I lied to my fans. I led them to believe I lived a fantasy life which was far from the truth. I fed into their fantasies. I said I wanted sex 24/7 and made it seem like I absolutely loved what I did and was living this happy life. I gave them hope and insight into their relationships by telling them what to do. I started to feel like an important nobody, they knew Elizabeth [the porn star], but they would never care to know Jan [the real me].

I had to do whatever the producer pleased and I had to accept it or else no pay. Sometimes you would get to a gig and the producer would change what the scene was supposed to be to something more intense and again if you didn’t like it, too bad, you did it or no pay.”

Anita
“I have been a performer now for 14 years in the adult film industry in many countries, states…all over the place. I have worked for most of these companies, and I was around for the once-a-month HIV-positive outbreak in ’98. Yes, I was, and I got to see those performers that nobody knows about—that nobody claims that got HIV, that are not a part of the statistics—walk out the door as non-performers, not to be counted. Yeah, there are a lot of cover-ups going on. There is a lot of tragedy. There are a lot of horrible things.”

Regan
“I got the **** kicked out of me… most of the girls start crying because they’re hurting so bad… I couldn’t breathe. I was being hit and choked. I was really upset and they didn’t stop. They kept filming. [I asked them to turn the camera off] and they kept going.”

Andi
“After a year or so of that so-called ‘glamorous life,’ I sadly discovered that drugs and drinking were part of the lifestyle. I began to drink and party of out control—cocaine, alcohol, and ecstasy were my favorites. Before long, I turned into a person I did not want to be. After doing so many hardcore scenes, I couldn’t do it anymore. I just remember being in horrible situations and experiencing extreme depression and being alone and sad.”

Jessi
“It was the most degrading, embarrassing, horrible thing ever. I had to shoot an interactive DVD, which takes hours and hours of shooting time, with a 104 degree fever! I was crying and wanted to leave but my agent wouldn’t let me, he said he couldn’t let me flake on it. I also did a scene where I was put with male talent that was on my ‘no list’. I wanted to please them so I did it. He stepped on my head […] I freaked out and started bawling; they stopped filming and sent me home with reduced pay since they got some shot but not the whole scene.”

You posted about Pressley not these other girls. I never said no one porn has been treated like shit. I said Pressley who was the person we were talking about said nothing in that article about the industry exploiting her.
 

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Remy, there is a shit of evidence of the porn industry exploiting people.
 

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see the post above....

You should try out for kicker as you moving goalposts.

Seems like she sexually exploited herself as did not read that she was forced into the industry where she made 3 million. But that is probably a topic for B&I.

This comment was about a single former pornstar that you white knighted for and I noted that what I read in the article you provided did not suggest she was exploited. It suggested she made poor choices due to personal drama ie parents and boyfriends.

Do you have evidence relating to Pressley in particular?

Remy, there is a shit of evidence of the porn industry exploiting people.

Once again I was commentting on Pressley not the porn industry as a whole. Read what I said and whom I was referring to. Damn near every industry has examples of people being exploited. This one person you cited was not an example based on the info you provided.


Show me where in the above she was exploited by the industry? This was the article that generated the comment.
 
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You should try out for kicker as you moving goalposts.



This comment was about a single former pornstar that you white knighted for and I noted that what I read in the article you provided did not suggest she was exploited. It suggested she made poor choices due to personal drama ie parents and boyfriends.

Do you have evidence relating to Pressley in particular?



Once again I was commentting on Pressley not the porn industry as a whole. Read what I said and whom I was referring to. Damn near every industry has examples of people being exploited. This one person you cited was not an example based on the info you provided.

I don't know her particular story, but there isn't much in the way of support groups for porn stars.....not the resources that the NFL has.

A lot of people are up in arms overt the NFL and the mistreatment of its players....no one gives a shit about porn stars and their issues.

Both groups are exploited in one shape or form. I don't know if Presley was specifically exploited in a particular way, but the industry in general is exploitative and probably contributed to her issues.
 

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It’s crazy to still be reading that coaches think he can be special. Not good, special. A guy going into his 4th season and yet to “breakout”... special? The guy who coached Suggs in college and the pros thinks so. I’m guessing he hasn’t talked to anyone on CCS lol.




Leonard Floyd is bigger than he was a year ago. He’s stronger. And, most importantly, he’s healthy. That all added up to him being the most head-turning player on the field during the Bears’ offseason program.
If things go right, it could prove to be a launching point for a breakout season for the 2016 first-round draft pick. Last year Floyd lined up opposite All-Pro Khalil Mack but collected only four sacks, in part because a hand injury hampered him the first half of the season.
The Bears didn’t hesitate in picking up the fifth-year option in Floyd’s contract — for $13.22 million in 2020 — and they will gladly pay him that if he emerges as a disruptive force on the outside. Right now, that option is guaranteed for injury only and he is going to have to earn it with his performance in 2019.
Floyd arrived as a 6-foot-4 athletic freak when he was drafted out of Georgia and played at around 235 pounds as a rookie. Now he’s listed at 251 and is every bit of that, explaining that buying into what sports science coordinator Jenn Gibson has been preaching has helped him bulk up. Stand next to him and size him up and it’s easy to tell he’s thicker in the upper body.
He was recovering from knee surgery last offseason and didn’t get on the field until training camp, when he was operating with a knee brace. A healthy offseason has been the key. The Bears believe Floyd is a star waiting to happen, especially with Mack certain to attract so much attention on the other side. They’re counting on new outside linebackers coach Ted Monachino, who tutored Terrell Suggs at Arizona State and with the Ravens, to help unlock that potential.
Floyd has been working to create a better “rush plan” for getting to the quarterback with effective counter measures to use off his natural gift of speed and explosiveness. Better counters can turn pressures into sacks, or better yet strip-sacks, and rushes that were once stymied can become pressures. It’s about the little things in Monachino’s estimation.
“As he gets better at one or two things, his numbers will go up,” Monachino said. “(What) may happen first are the effective rushes, right? He may affect the quarterback. He may affect the launch point. He may move a guy off the spot. But the more of those that come along, the more productive rushes he’s going to have. The more he’s going to get home and finish. Right now we’re focused on just a couple of things with Leonard. And it’s not because he can’t handle more. It’s because we want to build his toolbox in a way that, ‘This is my go-to, and this is the counter off of it.’”
So Floyd spent time on the practice field working on his hand placement. He can be a violent rusher if he attacks the right spot on the offensive lineman. Hit the wrong spot and a bigger, stronger offensive tackle is going to wall him off. Balance and footwork are equally important parts of the equation. He has always played with good pad level for being tall and rangy.
“Being violent and just going out with a mindset of getting to the quarterback,” said Floyd, who had a career-high seven sacks as a rookie. “I have to sharpen my tools. It’s been very different because I have been able to train and do all of the things with no limitations this spring.
“I believe I was playing my best football during the second half of last year after I really got over my hand injury. I felt like I was playing a lot better and I am looking forward to this year and just building off of that.”

The rest is in the Link, including Trevathan suggesting Floyd might demand a double team?

We kinda have been getting this headline for a few years now...........

However, wouldn't this be like Magic in a Bottle along with a Healthy Productive Aaron Lynch for 16 games ?
 

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I don't know her particular story, but there isn't much in the way of support groups for porn stars.....not the resources that the NFL has.

A lot of people are up in arms overt the NFL and the mistreatment of its players....no one gives a shit about porn stars and their issues.

Both groups are exploited in one shape or form. I don't know if Presley was specifically exploited in a particular way, but the industry in general is exploitative and probably contributed to her issues.

This as a poster said is apples vs oranges. In the NFL there is a league office and 32 owners that people can look to in terms of the industry collectively hiding shit from players.

The porn industry is more akin to boxing where you have individual promoters or groups. Some of them are assholes and some are not.

I know the NFL owners and league office collectively fucked the players over. You have not told me who exactly I should be mad with regarding Pressley other than a faceless nameless abstract porn industry.

When I have heard of specific fucked up shit done by certain people, I have come away disgusted but I read your article and there was no one in it to be upset with other than her shitty parents and boyfriends. Get the difference?
 

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Can Zack get me Unbanned from the B & I thread if I sweet talk him ?

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He shows flashes, but there's just not enough there to count on him.

Maybe this year will be different, but at this point he's still not dynamic enough as a pass rusher to make a difference.

Add those two sentences together and he can't be counted on to make a difference. That's been his Bears career so far.
 
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I think he plays his 5th year option but only to give the Bears time to find someone to replace/improve his production via the draft.

Hopin we can replicate his performance this year with a 4th round Comp pic...or is it a 5th ??
 

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