Lynch built a SB team in 3 years

[r1terrell23]

To be fair, SF won their last 5 games in year one. They looked solid in year two before Jimmy G got hurt. So Lynch had them pointing up by the last month of year 1.

 

[r1terrell23]

If memory serves me correct both Lynch and Shanahan took control over the perfect situation. The previous year they were 2-14, had the 3rd overall pick (which they messed up and took Solomon Thomas), had a lot of draft capital overall and I think over $100M in cap space. They were almost a blank slate, which most GMs/HCs don't get.

I'd add, for how great Lynch and Shanahan have been this year in their first two seasons they went 6-10 then 4-12 (actually regressed). It leaves me to wonder are they this amazing GM/HC combo or are they having a season where things are just working well?

Just imagine if they had a couple key injuries and went 5-11? Would Lynch and Shanahan get a 4th season or would they have been fired?

Anyway, I'm sure this question is to draw a reference to how Pace and Nagy are failing while Lynch and Shanahan have been great. Let's not forget that the Nagy/Pace combo are 20-12 in the first two years. If their first two years would have had the same success as Lynch/Shanahan, being 10-22, would you even give them a 3rd season? I'm thinking probably not. Just to remind you guys that Trestman went 13-19 in his only two seasons. No way you let 10-22 slide bye.

In year one they won their last 5 games with Jimmy G. In year 2 Jimmy G got hurt and it tanked their season. They still almost beat us as well.

 

[BearClaw55]

If Trestman was the OC, with Lovie as the HC still, maybe we could have competed.

But Lovie and Trestman sucked as head coaches. Lovie for never finding competent offensive minds to lead the offense. Trestman for losing the locker room and hiring Mel Tucker.

Lets remember who Lovie had as his QBs, Grossman, Orton & Cutler (the coach killer). When Trestman’s offense took off it was McCown at the helm and not Cutler. When Cutler was running the offense Trestman’s offense didn’t look so hot but with McCown at center it took off. Then what did the Bears do? Got rid of McCown & gave Cutler a $120 million dollar contract. These are the kind of losing decisions the Bears make. To me the Bears brass has made 3 or 4 easy decisions hard over the last 10 years which has lead to failure & set them back.

1.) Choosing Trestman a CFL HC over the COY

2.) Getting rid of McCown & then signing Cutler to a 120 mil contract (after failure & poor trends)

3.) Drafting a QB who started 13 games & went 8-5 over Watson & Mahomes (come on!).

*Throw in drafting an un-athletic 3-4 OLB, Shea McClellin with the 1st pick. When the Bears ran a 4-3 (Chandler Jones was the pick).

These are the kind of decisions that will keep an organization from consistent success & set them back five years per move. Cleary poor decisions & the fans hated these moves off the top & not after the fact ( no hindsight is 20/20 here).

 

[Pegger]

In year one they won their last 5 games with Jimmy G. In year 2 Jimmy G got hurt and it tanked their season. They still almost beat us as well.

Trestman had the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league with the backup QB starting 5 games. That all happened with the 30th ranked defense, so Trestman was a gawd damn offensive genius!

It's fun to cherry pick stats. You can make anyone seem good or bad.

 

[ijustposthere]

If memory serves me correct both Lynch and Shanahan took control over the perfect situation. The previous year they were 2-14, had the 3rd overall pick (which they messed up and took Solomon Thomas), had a lot of draft capital overall and I think over $100M in cap space. They were almost a blank slate, which most GMs/HCs don't get.

I'd add, for how great Lynch and Shanahan have been this year in their first two seasons they went 6-10 then 4-12 (actually regressed). It leaves me to wonder are they this amazing GM/HC combo or are they having a season where things are just working well?

Just imagine if they had a couple key injuries and went 5-11? Would Lynch and Shanahan get a 4th season or would they have been fired?

Anyway, I'm sure this question is to draw a reference to how Pace and Nagy are failing while Lynch and Shanahan have been great. Let's not forget that the Nagy/Pace combo are 20-12 in the first two years. If their first two years would have had the same success as Lynch/Shanahan, being 10-22, would you even give them a 3rd season? I'm thinking probably not. Just to remind you guys that Trestman went 13-19 in his only two seasons. No way you let 10-22 slide bye.

Last year they did have those injuries and went 4-12. You can't argue against their success this season with the schedule they played. Shanahan looks like a very good coach, Lynch, meh. I don't think he's anything special. Not to mention, Trestman/Emery were fired because the Bears were flat out embarassing. The inmates were running the asylum on that one. You had team leaders like Briggs that were absolute poison. You can look at how long John Fox got when the Bears knew they were going to be bad for reference. As terrible as they were, Fox still brought stability to the locker room. Can't compare Trestman/Emery to Shanny/Lynch, they are two incredibly different scenarios. Shanny never lost the locker room the way Trestman did.

Pace looks like a jackass though. He's had four top ten picks and continues to whiff on them while also trading away draft capital. It's a recipe for a disaster. Nagy, I'm not sure what he is. I think he's good as a coach/leader, but he's putting too much on his plate. Looks awfully stubborn and doesn't seem to scheme to fit his players. Sort of in the Mike Martz mold but not as much as a narcissist. I like Nagy, but I really wish he would relinquish play calling because I not really sure he's able to be a HC and OC.

 

[Omeletpants]

In 3 years Ryan Pace went out to lunch a few times

 

[Pegger]

Last year they did have those injuries and went 4-12. You can't argue against their success this season with the schedule they played. Shanahan looks like a very good coach, Lynch, meh. I don't think he's anything special. Not to mention, Trestman/Emery were fired because the Bears were flat out embarassing. The inmates were running the asylum on that one. You had team leaders like Briggs that were absolute poison. You can look at how long John Fox got when the Bears knew they were going to be bad for reference. As terrible as they were, Fox still brought stability to the locker room. Can't compare Trestman/Emery to Shanny/Lynch, they are two incredibly different scenarios. Shanny never lost the locker room the way Trestman did.

Pace looks like a jackass though. He's had four top ten picks and continues to whiff on them while also trading away draft capital. It's a recipe for a disaster. Nagy, I'm not sure what he is. I think he's good as a coach/leader, but he's putting too much on his plate. Looks awfully stubborn and doesn't seem to scheme to fit his players. Sort of in the Mike Martz mold but not as much as a narcissist. I like Nagy, but I really wish he would relinquish play calling because I not really sure he's able to be a HC and OC.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It's easy to see success and assume it's the people behind it. Let's look at Brian Billick. He won a Superbowl, but yet is unemployed. a few years ago he would openly say his phone isn't ringing, so it's not like success = good coach.

I agree Trestman and Emery were terrible. I was making the point that certain numbers can lead to different conclusions. I was hoping that would make the posters think 'the grass hasn't been only greener for 49ers fans'.

Looking at Lynch's drafts they aren't that great:

Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
Misc				Passing	Rushing	Receiving
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2019	1	Nick Bosa	2	DE	2019	0	1	1	11	16												1	9.0	Ohio St.
2019	2	Deebo Samuel	36	WR	2019	0	0	1	10	15						14	159	3	57	802	3			South Carolina
2019	3	Jalen Hurd	67	WR		0	0	0																Baylor
2019	4	Mitch Wishnowsky	110	P	2019	0	0	1	2	16														Utah
2019	5	Dre Greenlaw	148	LB	2019	0	0	1	6	16												1	1.0	Arkansas
2019	6	Kaden Smith	176	TE	2019	0	0	0	2	9									31	268	3			Stanford
2019	6	Justin Skule	183	T	2019	0	0	0	5	15														Vanderbilt
2019	6	Tim Harris	198	CB		0	0	0																Virginia
2018	1	Mike McGlinchey	9	T	2019	0	0	2	16	28														Notre Dame
2018	2	Dante Pettis	44	WR	2019	0	0	0	4	23	1	1	16	0	0	1	-2	0	38	576	7			Washington
2018	3	Fred Warner	70	OLB	2019	0	0	2	16	32												1	3.0	BYU
2018	3	Tarvarius Moore	95	S	2019	0	0	0	3	32														Southern Miss
2018	4	Kentavius Street	128	DT	2019	0	0	0	0	3														North Carolina St.
2018	5	D.J. Reed	142	CB	2019	0	0	0	2	31													1.0	Kansas St.
2018	6	Marcell Harris	184	S	2019	0	0	0	4	21														Florida
2018	7	Jullian Taylor	223	DT	2019	0	0	0	1	12														Temple
2018	7	Richie James	240	WR	2019	0	0	0	4	29						2	-1	0	15	295	2			Middle Tenn. St.
2017	1	Solomon Thomas	3	DE	2019	0	0	2	14	46													6.0	Stanford
2017	1	Reuben Foster	31	LB	2018	0	0	1	8	16														Alabama
2017	3	Ahkello Witherspoon	66	CB	2019	0	0	2	10	36												3		Colorado
2017	3	C.J. Beathard	104	QB	2018	0	0	0	7	13	225	393	2682	12	13	45	205	4						Iowa
2017	4	Joe Williams	121	RB		0	0	0																Utah
2017	5	George Kittle	146	TE	2019	1	2	2	24	45						6	32	0	216	2945	12			Iowa
2017	5	Trent Taylor	177	WR	2018	0	0	0	5	29									69	645	3			Louisiana Tech
2017	6	D.J. Jones	198	DT	2019	0	0	0	8	30													2.0	Mississippi
2017	6	Pita Taumoepenu	202	OLB	2018	0	0	0	0	6														Utah
2017	7	Adrian Colbert	229	DB	2019	0	0	0	5	27														Miami (FL)

2019 looks great with Bosa and Debo, but you gotta give it some time. Bosa was a no brainer. His brother, who was an extremely similar comparable, was just coming off a defensive rookie of the year the previous season.

2018 got their tackle in McGlinchey and a great LB in Warner, but outside of that it was a meh.

2017 was just bad. Kittle in the 5th made up for a lot, but at that point they hit on a lottery ticket. Thomas/Foster both in the first was horrible. Thomas, who was regarded as this versatile DE/3 technique has 6 sacks in his entire career and isn't on the field much. Foster was cut.

 

[Pegger]

Just to compare to the Lynch draft:

Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
Misc				Passing	Rushing	Receiving
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2019	3	David Montgomery	73	RB	2019	0	0	1	5	16						242	889	6	25	185	1			Iowa St.
2019	4	Riley Ridley	126	WR	2019	0	0	0	1	5									6	69	0			Georgia
2019	6	Duke Shelley	205	CB	2019	0	0	0	1	9														Kansas St.
2019	7	Kerrith Whyte	222	RB	2019	0	0	0	1	6						24	122	0	1	9	0			Florida Atlantic
2019	7	Stephen Denmark	238	CB		0	0	0																Valdosta St.
2018	1	Roquan Smith	8	ILB	2019	0	0	2	16	28												2	7.0	Georgia
2018	2	James Daniels	39	C	2019	0	0	2	11	32														Iowa
2018	2	Anthony Miller	51	WR	2019	0	0	0	9	31	1	1	8	0	0	7	25	0	85	1079	9			Memphis
2018	4	Joel Iyiegbuniwe	115	LB	2019	0	0	0	2	31														Western Kentucky
2018	5	Bilal Nichols	145	DT	2019	0	0	1	11	27													3.0	Delaware
2018	6	Kylie Fitts	181	DE	2019	0	0	0	0	9														Utah
2018	7	Javon Wims	224	WR	2019	0	0	0	1	20									22	218	1			Georgia
2017	1	Mitchell Trubisky	2	QB	2019	0	1	3	27	41	811	1280	8554	48	29	157	862	7						North Carolina
2017	2	Adam Shaheen	45	TE	2019	0	0	0	2	27									26	249	4			Ashland
2017	4	Eddie Jackson	112	S	2019	1	2	3	29	46												10	2.0	Alabama
2017	4	Tarik Cohen	119	RB	2019	1	1	1	20	48	2	3	22	2	0	250	1027	5	203	1534	9			North Carolina A&T
2017	5	Jordan Morgan	147	G		0	0	0																Kutztown Pennsylvania

2019 is a TBD, but Montgomery looks good. Not horrible considering no first and second. Just to compare, the 2nd overall pick (Bosa) is worth 2600 points according to the draft trade chart. The Bears entire 2019 draft was worth ~285. That's a big gap, so it's not like you can do an apples to apples considering the Bears didn't have a chance at drafting Bosa or Debo.

2018 - I like all 3 of the first picks. I mean 2 starters and Anthony Miller started to show he might be an NFL worthy WR.

2019 - If you hate Mitch and Shaheen then you probably stopped reading and punched a wall, but Jackson/Cohen definitely were worth drafting. If you still think Mitch is salvageable then there's that.

 

[r1terrell23]

Trestman had the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league with the backup QB starting 5 games. That all happened with the 30th ranked defense, so Trestman was a gawd damn offensive genius!

It's fun to cherry pick stats. You can make anyone seem good or bad.

It is not cherry picking because since they got Jommy G they started going up. Their downfall came when he got hurt.

 

[Calabis]

Ugggh...depressing..

 

[elbandido]

Offensive coach- Trestman

The best offense this franchise had this century.

GM? Not in 35yrs

Since last century and the same C.E.O...
Ted Phillips, making Bears' fans miserable since 1999...

 

[Pegger]

It is not cherry picking because since they got Jommy G they started going up. Their downfall came when he got hurt.

He attempted 8 passes this past week while his runningback went for 220+ and 4 TDs.

Was the defense so afraid of Jimmy that they let a RB who was cut by 7 other teams get whatever he wants???

Jimmy is good. Might be top 10 in the league. With a lot of things going SF's way he was 8th in passer rating. That's pretty good.

 

[jive]

Since last century and the same C.E.O...
Ted Phillips, making Bears' fans miserable since 1999...

He's been creating misery longer than that. He was director of finance from 1987-1993, where he was responsible for player contracts and business operations. 1993-1999, he was vice president of operations.

Surely this guy must be ready to retire from the misery business by now.