NFL's most double teamed edge rusher

[remydat]

On a per year basis Amos isnt making that much more then them, it's just he has a longer contract. Jackson and HaHa will both be making more then him individually next year.

Mack per year makes more then both Smiths combined lol.

What a failure at a defense for your franchises awful decision. XD

This is incorrect.

2019 - Mack's cap hit is 11.9 million while Preston's is 6 million and Za'Darius is 7.25 million

2020 - Mack's cap hit is 26.6 million while Preton's is 13.5 million and Za'Darius is 17.25 million.

2021 - 26.6 vs 16 million vs 20.75 million

2022 - 27.2 vs 16.5 vs 20.75 million.

Mack's contract has 2 more years on it which inflates value. So basically the 2 Smiths cost 1.3 million more in 2019, 5 million more in 2020, 10 million more in 2021 and 2022. So to say we are paying double for Mack is actually just bullshit.

It would make more sense to compare Mack and Floyd to the 2 Smiths in which cases Packers are ahead in 2019 as adding Floyd's salary and production yields Mack and Floyd costing 3.7 million more for less production.

However, if we dump Floyd in 2020 and pair Mack with a draft pick then they will end up cheaper and we will have to see how they produce compared to the 2 Smiths. The realty is the Smiths get pretty expensive after this year so you better hope Preston's numbers are real.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/zadarius-smith-16848/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/preston-smith-16762/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/khalil-mack-14414/

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

2,600+ posts trolling an opposing teams message board. ?‍

 

[Bearly]

Did you not read the thread? Signing Zadarius was a better signing. He has more sacks, more pressures, and does it on more double teams.

Add in Preston's 11 sacks, this isnt even close. Signing Mack was a disastrous decision compared to the Packers paying less combined for two players who both individually outproduce Mack by a mile.

Have fun making awful decisions and paying way more for way less production. That's why we are winners and you are losers.

The reason you have Mack and we have two better players for less money combined, is because you were willing to pay more. We weren't willing to destroy our future for Mack, and this decision was further rectified by signing two easily more productive players for less.

Packers make big push to sign Mack. Fail, which now makes it a bad signing by Pace. Got it.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

lol. we are happy with Mack of course.. especially when Hicks is back freeing him up and taking some load off. but nicely done.

Speak for yourself, dummy. Mack is one of those grossly overpaid players who went soft once he got the big money.

 

[10veitout]

Preston isn't actually all that good. His PFF grade is 68 and he only has 47 combined pressures. His run blocking (55 grade) and coverage abilities (47) are also actually quite shit. His pass rush grade is 76

By contrast Mack 61 total pressures with a run grade of 82, pass rush of 86 and a coverage grade of 66. So pretty much better than Preston all around with an overall grade of 89.4

You case for Za'Darius is better as he has 72 total pressures with a run grade of 73, pass rush of 87 and coverage grade of 79. His overall grade is 80.

In short, Mack and Za'Darius are elite all around players while Preston just seems to be benefiting from playing with Za'Darius.

The further point is Bears already got 2 years of elite play out of Mack as his overall grade last year was 90. So the 2 Smiths need to prove they can replicate this production next year before you can claim they are on the level of Mack. Based on the numbers, I suspect Za'Darius may be able to replicate this production for a 2nd year but Preston is likely to regress as his raw numbers look good but the underlying data suggests he simply has gotten lucky this year.

Pff advanced metrics are a joke. We judge players by real NFL stats.

We run more 4 man rushes then 29 teams in the league, Zadarius and Preston both simply beat their man, and more often then Mack. The both lead Mack in sacks, with Zadarius leading Mack in pressures and double teams as well. You appeal to advanced metrics from a fan statistics site not even affiliated with the league. You dont see me citing ESPN's joke analytics, do you?

Mack's two last seasons combined pales in comparison to the duo of Zadarius and Preston this season. Each one INDIVIDUALLY is on pace for a BETTER season the Mack had last year. And of course, each are individually on pace for a better season this year.

Lol, right. Preston just 'got lucky', sure. Not likely. Preston is an extraordinary athlete with top notch get off, while he absolutely does benefit from Zadarius, there really is no denying his ability to rush the passer this year, he has never trailed anyone on the team in sacks at all this season since week one.

 

[10veitout]

Packers make big push to sign Mack. Fail, which now makes it a bad signing by Pace. Got it.

We didnt make as big of a push of you. You offered more. we only offered one 1st and a collection of picks in addition. Even if that wasnt the case, what would that change? Being willing to make a bad decision does not make the bad decision less bad lol.

Then we turned around in FA the next year and made your Mack acquisition look like complete and utter shit by making a far better, cheaper, and more productive acquisition in the Smith duo.

Both are arguably better then Mack, and both are easily out producing him (both his current season stat line and last season), with Zadarius, it's not even debatable, he simply is better.

 

[Rob219_CBMB]

Speak for yourself, dummy. Mack is one of those grossly overpaid players who went soft once he got the big money.

 

[mecha]

@Grimson aaronitout is doing that "we" thing talking about the Packers too. just giving you a heads up bro.

 

[Bearly]

We didnt make as big of a push of you. You offered more. we only offered one 1st and a collection of picks in addition. Even if that wasnt the case, what would that change? Being willing to make a bad decision does not make the bad decision less bad lol.

Then we turned around in FA the next year and made your Mack acquisition look like complete and utter shit by making a far better, cheaper, and more productive acquisition in the Smith duo.

Both are arguably better then Mack, and both are easily out producing him (both his current season stat line and last season), with Zadarius, it's not even debatable, he simply is better.

Let me know when they win Defensive Player of the Year.

 

[Anytime23]

The Smith sisters must be good. The Packers DVOA is 20.

Imagine if you guys traded for Mack. Maybe you’d be top 10!

 

[iueyedoc]

Top 12 in ppg = dogshit?

Top 12...so you mean 12th.




Except they are not. But definitely top 13 .

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Is that dipshit @aaronitout sending anyone else threatening PMs?

 

[remydat]

Pff advanced metrics are a joke. We judge players by real NFL stats.

We run more 4 man rushes then 29 teams in the league, Zadarius and Preston both simply beat their man, and more often then Mack. The both lead Mack in sacks, with Zadarius leading Mack in pressures and double teams as well. You appeal to advanced metrics from a fan statistics site not even affiliated with the league. You dont see me citing ESPN's joke analytics, do you?

Mack's two last seasons combined pales in comparison to the duo of Zadarius and Preston this season. Each one INDIVIDUALLY is on pace for a BETTER season the Mack had last year. And of course, each are individually on pace for a better season this year.

Lol, right. Preston just 'got lucky', sure. Not likely. Preston is an extraordinary athlete with top notch get off, while he absolutely does benefit from Zadarius, there really is no denying his ability to rush the passer this year, he has never trailed anyone on the team in sacks at all this season since week one.

Mack has more total pressures than Preston and is a vastly superior run defender and coverage LB. So you are just wrong. Sacks are just one stat. All the other stats support the fact that Mack is simply better this year.

This has been a down year for Mack and yet he will still finish ahead of Preston in total pressures.

Also I dont see where you admitted you were wrong about Mack costing double. Not sure why you keep trying to combine both of them when I just proved that over the same time period the 2 Smiths will cost about 26 milliom more.

Do they not teach math in Wisconsin?

 

[HeHateMe]

Is that dipshit @aaronitout sending anyone else threatening PMs?

did he threaten to rape you or your family again?

 

[remydat]

Just to compare the 3.

Mack is 4th ranked Edge at 89.4 with Z 5th at 89. P is 38th at 68.9.

Mack is 8th in run D at 82.2. Z is 24th at 73.2. P is 44th at 64.3

Mack is 14th in run stop % at 8.1%. Z is 29th at 5.5% and P is 49th at 4.7%

Z is 6th in pass rush at 87.9. Mack is 7th at 86.2. Preston is 19th at 76.1

Z is 2nd in total pressures with 73. Mack is 7th with 61 and P is 21st with 47.

Z is 4th in coverage at 79. Mack is 39th with 61.2 and P is 56th at 47.6.

So the grades show Mack and Z are good all around. P is a decent pass rusher that pretty much sucks everywhere else.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

did he threaten to rape you or your family again?

No, this time it was about performing devious acts of things I won't mention on my dog.

 

[iueyedoc]

So just choosing to ignore that Mack makes game changing plays that neither Smith can even dream about? Hell, in a down season, Mack has as many forced fumbles in 13 games as either of those players have had in their entire 70 + game careers.

And the idea that either is having a better season is just ignorant. Not sure how 11.5sks and 1 FF or 10 sacks and 1 FF is even close to 7.5 sks and 5 FF.

But you do you,@aaronitout

 

[HeHateMe]

No, this time it was about performing devious acts of things I won't mention on my dog.

ewwwwww

 

[msadows]

So just choosing to ignore that Mack makes game changing plays that neither Smith can even dream about? Hell, in a down season, Mack has as many forced fumbles in 13 games as either of those players have had in their entire 70 + game careers.

And the idea that either is having a better season is just ignorant. Not sure how 11.5sks and 1 FF or 10 sacks and 1 FF is even close to 7.5 sks and 5 FF.

But you do you,@aaronitout

He thinks sacks matter more than forced fumbles.

He also thinks a turnover is a forced fumble.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

@remydat shitting all over psycho @aaronitout is really funny