Ryan on pace to be one of the best GMs

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No remy yet? That's so odd that he hasn't posted in a thread that has anything to do with Pace being a good GM...Hahaha. And you know he's already been in here at least 4-5 times cause remy goes through every thread multiple times every single day.

I mean I won't say he is a good GM.

If it werent for the turdbiscuit pick he absolutely will be. If we drafted Jamal Adams for example, everyones perception of him would be different.

He's overall had a very good eye for talent.

He failed at QB however, and it set this franchise back a few years. Probably why he eventually gets fired, but when you look at all the negatives you can't dismiss the fact he did a LOT to build this team who is stacked with talent.

Too much pessimism on this board. People act like we won 3-4 games and have no good players at all. This team is not a bottom feeder, there are holes but every team has them.
 

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Why this can't be correct. Something must be wrong.

Pace has a 15.6 percent pro bowl rate

The great Chris Ballard has a 6.9 rate.

They must have gotten them backwards

Lol, this stat is so misleading.

The Bears took Jackson, Cohen, Trubisky, Leno, Whitehair and Howard. Trubisky's selection was a joke as just about every NFC QB declined (that is hyperbole). Pace traded Howard away. Cohen made it on Special Teams so his selection is of little value. Leno, just about everyone wants us to draft a LT of the future. So basically that leaves you Jackson and Whitehair with both having down years. Jackson is really the only star at this point.

Nelson, Kelly and Leonard have made the Pro Bowl for Colts. All 3 legit deserved it and are legit top players at their positions right now. I take the quality of the Colts trio over the Bears any day.
 

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Lol, this stat is so misleading.

The Bears took Jackson, Cohen, Trubisky, Leno, Whitehair and Howard. Trubisky's selection was a joke as just about every NFC QB declined (that is hyperbole). Pace traded Howard away. Cohen made it on Special Teams so his selection is of little value. Leno, just about everyone wants us to draft a LT of the future. So basically that leaves you Jackson and Whitehair with both having down years. Jackson is really the only star at this point.

Nelson, Kelly and Leonard have made the Pro Bowl for Colts. All 3 legit deserved it and are legit top players at their positions right now. I take the quality of the Colts trio over the Bears any day.

The trubisky pro bowl selection may not have been merited, but it was not a joke. It's okay to admit he had a good second year on one of the best rosters in football.

Shocker, usually if you post up a decent statistical season on a winning team you make the pro bowl.

Cohen was fantastic in 2018 as well. If you shit on a player for one year you can't dismiss the other.

And leno was not drafted by pace.

Nelson was a no brainer pick. He was the most guaranteed home run in the draft in years. The colts had a terrible oline and a hurt QB. No brainer.

Ballard has SUCKED in the draft.
 

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We still think the pro bowl means something?

As far as judging success of a GM, yes, yes it does.

I usually judge them based on

1) Years started
2) Draft position
3) If they are even still on the team. Obviously late round picks don't usually develop into starters, but a lot stick around for depth.

For example, if you find the best player at their position in the 4th round, whos is a franchise talent and you secured him for the better part of the decade, you've done a fantastic job.

Also, for example, if you trade for one of the top 3 defensive players in the entire NFL, when over half the league wants him, you've done a fantastic job.
 

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Im shocked remy forgot howard, which he has a massive boner for.
 

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I said he traded Howard away. Read it again. You quoted it.

I usually just speed read your posts.

Still doesn't change the fact ballard has been every bit as "bad" as pace if not worse.
 

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The trubisky pro bowl selection may not have been merited, but it was not a joke. It's okay to admit he had a good second year on one of the best rosters in football.

Shocker, usually if you post up a decent statistical season on a winning team you make the pro bowl.

Cohen was fantastic in 2018 as well. If you shit on a player for one year you can't dismiss the other.

And leno was not drafted by pace.

Nelson was a no brainer pick. He was the most guaranteed home run in the draft in years. The colts had a terrible oline and a hurt QB. No brainer.

Ballard has SUCKED in the draft.

Trubs had a good year in 2018. His selection was still a joke. They literally asked other QBs and they turned it down.

No one said Cohen wasn't good in 2018 but he was selected to the Pro Bowl as a ST player not a RB. That is not on par with an actual Pro Bowl player at another position.

The only actual legit Pro Bowl Pace drafted was Jackson as he made the Pro Bowl as an actual starter. I am sure you are aware that the starters and reserves are really the legit Pro Bowlers as the alternates are only picked because the starters or reserves can't attend.

Whether Nelson was a no brainer is irrelevant. He is an actual legit Pro Bowler as is Leonard who was not a no brainer and made DROY ahead of the guy drafted in the 1st round by Pace ie Smith.

Again it is pretty obvious that anyone would take the Colts Pro Bowlers over the Bears fake pro bowlers (outside of Jackson) any day.
 

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I usually just speed read your posts.

Still doesn't change the fact ballard has been every bit as "bad" as pace if not worse.

No one is claiming Ballard is a great GM. I am saying objective speaking Nelson, Leonard and Kelly are better players than the alleged Pro Bowlers the Bears still have left on their roster.
 

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No one is claiming Ballard is a great GM. I am saying objective speaking Nelson, Leonard and Kelly are better players than the alleged Pro Bowlers the Bears still have left on their roster.

Err...not to be that guy, but Whitehair is about as good as Kelly and he was picked over a full round later.

Leonard is a stud, and a great find. Can't discount that one.

Nelson was a no brainer. Everyone knew he would be a perennial all pro. The odds of him NOT being one were always very low.

And Eddie Jackson is still arguably better than all of them. I'd take Jackson over Nelson.
 

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Every gm has busts.

The fact he drafted trubisky is the only serious issue anyone should have with him.

He's done perfectly fine in the draft and FA. I remember when this team would throw top dollar at FA's and they would choose other teams over us.
His drafting is horrible. he reached for kevin white and drafted a non pass rusherto be a pass rusher. It's crazy to think trubisky is his only mistake. All he does is make mistakes.
 

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I mean, to be fair, Kevin White was an elite WR prospect as well.

His only real negative was the fact it was a one year sample size, but the guy legit looked like the next Julio Jones coming up.
No he wasn't. he was dhb 2.0
 

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Err...not to be that guy, but Whitehair is about as good as Kelly and he was picked over a full round later.

Leonard is a stud, and a great find. Can't discount that one.

Nelson was a no brainer. Everyone knew he would be a perennial all pro. The odds of him NOT being one were always very low.

And Eddie Jackson is still arguably better than all of them. I'd take Jackson over Nelson.

Kelly was better than Whitehair last year but overall they are close.

The difference is Nelson and Leonard are All Pros and collectively trump Jackson. They have 4 All Pro selections in their first 2 years versus just 1 for Jackson. So really only a homer would say Jackson is better than both Nelson and Leonard. Both Nelson and Leonard are 2 for 2 in All Pro nods. Jackson is 1 for 3.
 

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Lol, this stat is so misleading.

The Bears took Jackson, Cohen, Trubisky, Leno, Whitehair and Howard. Trubisky's selection was a joke as just about every NFC QB declined (that is hyperbole). Pace traded Howard away. Cohen made it on Special Teams so his selection is of little value. Leno, just about everyone wants us to draft a LT of the future. So basically that leaves you Jackson and Whitehair with both having down years. Jackson is really the only star at this point.

Nelson, Kelly and Leonard have made the Pro Bowl for Colts. All 3 legit deserved it and are legit top players at their positions right now. I take the quality of the Colts trio over the Bears any day.
Sure you do. As expected
 

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Pace gets so much disrespect. Everyone looks through the lens of the Trubisky pick and largely ignores everything else. Pace had added so many pro-bowlers to this team both in FA and the Draft.

He has also had many solid players who had fringe pro-bowl years: Adrian Amos, Bryce Callahan (UDFA), Eddie Goldman, Roquan Smith have all had solid years here and have arguably all been snubbed of a pro-bowl.

Pace has got the most out of the amount of picks he has had than most other GMs. This video only slightly proves it. But it isn't only the draft. He hits in Free Agency and in picking up other team's leftovers on cheap deals. Guys like Buster Skrine, Josh Sitton, KPL, Nick Williams, Amukamara, Jerell Freeman, etc.

He's also picked up good additions in Trevathan, Hicks, Mack, A Rob.

All this said, at the Pace our GM is adding talent, this team will continue to compete. The fanbase moaning and complaining after going 8-8 speaks enough to the high expectation of the roster Pace assembled.
 

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Sure you do. As expected

Hey if you have a logical argument for why I am wrong, I am all ears. Otherwise, please forgive me if I don't give a shit about Trubs making the pro bowl after like 7 QBs passed on the "honor".
 

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Hey if you have a logical argument for why I am wrong, I am all ears. Otherwise, please forgive me if I don't give a shit about Trubs making the pro bowl after like 7 QBs passed on the "honor".
Pace 16 percent
Ballard 6 percent

I will wait for you to tell me how the entire world is wrong and you are correct At what point do you stop and think that no one is taking anything you say as serious? And the biggest question is do you even care?
 

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Pace 16 percent
Ballard 6 percent

I will wait for you to tell me how the entire world is wrong and you are correct At what point do you stop and think that no one is taking anything you say as serious? And the biggest question is do you even care?

Yes you already quoted the percentages. My response to it was that Pace's numbers are inflated by players that aren't actual legit Pro Bowlers. You have yet to respond to this statement most likely because you know it is true.

It is funny as pretty sure I have seen you and others mention how the Pro Bowl is a joke. Now yall want to use someone being selected as like the 5th alternate as some badge of honor for Pace. SMH! Jackson legitimately was selected as a starter or reserve on the Pro Bowl team at a real position (ie not special teams). The others just got on the team because other players didn't want to go or were playing in the SB. This is simply the truth.
 

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