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We want to go solar for our home which is a 2 story that is absolutely ridiculous to heat and cool. Sometimes our excel bill will reach $350/month. It's obnoxious.

Does anyone have any advice or warnings? I've heard Solar City is a ripoff and it's best to purchase and own your panels. Any thoughts or advice are greatly appreciated!
 

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I'd check on the net metering rules where you live. If they do not allow net metering that is a red flag because they will not buy power back from you.

Most people use more electricity in the summer and less in the winter hence why that would be important.

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I can't tell you about the new services out there. I installed my panels in 2006 when I built my home.

Depending on how much you know about 1) roofing and 2) wiring, will answer your question on what is the best route. If you never did roof work before or you aren't good with wiring a home, there is no shame in that. You'll want someone who has real experience to help, and not be just some dude watching a bunch of youtube videos to figure it out. Nothing spells out n00b more than just watching a bunch of youtube videos than acting like *get out mah way, I know what I'm doing*. :D

IDK how your local laws are out there. I'm pretty sure you need the installation inspected before you qualify for a grid tie, as a power service provider has the right to not give you services if they deem something unsafe. Here we have ComEd and they were easy to work with, but it also helps that my work is meticulously organized. But if you don't want to grid tie and want to generate power on the side for whatever application you have in mind, then the nice thing is, you can start small and build up over time.

Firstly, this is a lot of math. IMO the #1 reason people get taken for a ride, because they are lazy and avoid the number crunching. If you avoid the math, you're going to pay for it later.

Things to calculate.
-Load bearing of the roof in your favorite weight unit of choice.
-Usable surface area.
-Total Installation weight + tolerances for body-weight and weather.

'Roofs are built strong' assume everything is okay. Then go look at how many roofs cave in or leak after one good storm. One thing I can tell you 10+ years in, is that solar doesn't prevent other maintenance. I have a soldered copper roof with some kind of synthetic tiles(can't remember what they are off the top of my head, sorry, it's been a while) and it's among the most durable and lowest maintenance roofing you can find, rated at something like 150 years. Adding all the mounting and panels took basically an impenetrable layer and required a custom channeling system just because I also have a RWH tank. Those were my challenges. You WILL have your own goofy challenges, so do the math.

Other things to calculate.
-Power generation. Don't go by the max output. Panels are rarely more than 40% efficient for the life of the cells, doesn't matter if you have perfect sunlight all year. So be realistic with your calculations.
-Reserve system space and maintenance. Yep, the batteries, the junction/fuse, the controller. These things generate their own heat and need space for safety. If you have some tiny utility area, plan that area. Botch jobs that just mount everything to the wall and forget about it will be an issue down the line if you don't have a good plan from the get go.

Also calculate whether it would be smarter to do an insulation overhaul of the house. When I built my home, I used something called rammed earth. So I only use very little heat and A/C. And mostly A/C because I have a lot of heat outputting equipment for my business(not a small home either). Your solar installation might cost you $20k DIY, but you're adding to consumption and IMO solar can get put off a bit, because solar tech does improve considerably every decade(if not better output then lower cost), where insulation efficacy today is roughly the same as insulation efficacy 50 years ago.


I can write novels as is on my experience. But if you spend $350 a month on HVAC, I would rethink quite a bit.
 

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We want to go solar for our home which is a 2 story that is absolutely ridiculous to heat and cool. Sometimes our excel bill will reach $350/month. It's obnoxious.

Does anyone have any advice or warnings? I've heard Solar City is a ripoff and it's best to purchase and own your panels. Any thoughts or advice are greatly appreciated!

I bought my solar system over two years ago. At the time, my average electric bill was $360 a month. The company I bought it from had a bank loan partner that sold me approximately $60,000 of equipment that I financed over 9 years at under a 3% rate. There was at the time both a state and federal tax reduction for the system also( the state program has been eliminated). So, my monthly cost after all of that is about $215/mnth. After the nine years is over or I pay the loan balance off, the system is completely owned by me.

I do not have an electric bill and with our summer heat out here, we run the AC a lot and have a pool pump going every day. So, when this house is sold, I can sell the house to its new owners without an electric bill. Therefore, I can jack the price of the house up because of saving the new owners a lot in electricity costs.

My advice. There are a lot of scams out there and some companies better than others. Do you research on both the company you are dealing with as well as the type of panels and equipment being used. OF course get everything in writing and with iron clad guarantees and warantees.
 

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I'd check on the net metering rules where you live. If they do not allow net metering that is a red flag because they will not buy power back from you.

Most people use more electricity in the summer and less in the winter hence why that would be important.

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its excel making me doubt they buy anything back. and also encouraging you to do so if you can afford it. Even $500 a month for a year or two given initial costs would at least not be $350 supporting one of the evil juggernauts sucking our country dry of wealth while receiving subsidies, favors, not cleaning up their pollution, and tampering in our political system.
 

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I can't tell you about the new services out there. I installed my panels in 2006 when I built my home.

Depending on how much you know about 1) roofing and 2) wiring, will answer your question on what is the best route. If you never did roof work before or you aren't good with wiring a home, there is no shame in that. You'll want someone who has real experience to help, and not be just some dude watching a bunch of youtube videos to figure it out. Nothing spells out n00b more than just watching a bunch of youtube videos than acting like *get out mah way, I know what I'm doing*. :D

IDK how your local laws are out there. I'm pretty sure you need the installation inspected before you qualify for a grid tie, as a power service provider has the right to not give you services if they deem something unsafe. Here we have ComEd and they were easy to work with, but it also helps that my work is meticulously organized. But if you don't want to grid tie and want to generate power on the side for whatever application you have in mind, then the nice thing is, you can start small and build up over time.

Firstly, this is a lot of math. IMO the #1 reason people get taken for a ride, because they are lazy and avoid the number crunching. If you avoid the math, you're going to pay for it later.

Things to calculate.
-Load bearing of the roof in your favorite weight unit of choice.
-Usable surface area.
-Total Installation weight + tolerances for body-weight and weather.

'Roofs are built strong' assume everything is okay. Then go look at how many roofs cave in or leak after one good storm. One thing I can tell you 10+ years in, is that solar doesn't prevent other maintenance. I have a soldered copper roof with some kind of synthetic tiles(can't remember what they are off the top of my head, sorry, it's been a while) and it's among the most durable and lowest maintenance roofing you can find, rated at something like 150 years. Adding all the mounting and panels took basically an impenetrable layer and required a custom channeling system just because I also have a RWH tank. Those were my challenges. You WILL have your own goofy challenges, so do the math.

Other things to calculate.
-Power generation. Don't go by the max output. Panels are rarely more than 40% efficient for the life of the cells, doesn't matter if you have perfect sunlight all year. So be realistic with your calculations.
-Reserve system space and maintenance. Yep, the batteries, the junction/fuse, the controller. These things generate their own heat and need space for safety. If you have some tiny utility area, plan that area. Botch jobs that just mount everything to the wall and forget about it will be an issue down the line if you don't have a good plan from the get go.

Also calculate whether it would be smarter to do an insulation overhaul of the house. When I built my home, I used something called rammed earth. So I only use very little heat and A/C. And mostly A/C because I have a lot of heat outputting equipment for my business(not a small home either). Your solar installation might cost you $20k DIY, but you're adding to consumption and IMO solar can get put off a bit, because solar tech does improve considerably every decade(if not better output then lower cost), where insulation efficacy today is roughly the same as insulation efficacy 50 years ago.


I can write novels as is on my experience. But if you spend $350 a month on HVAC, I would rethink quite a bit.

rammed earth home?

got a blog w/pic covering its build?

i do enjoy alt building styles
 

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rammed earth home?

got a blog w/pic covering its build?

i do enjoy alt building styles

Read up on it. You can't tell unless you're in my basement because it has regular siding , brickface and all divisions are drywall on stud. Funny that you call it alternative, because in most of the world, earth construction is the mainstream method to building a home. Rammed earth is just a modern process(last 30 years) to doing it in order to vastly improve everything in construction from previous techniques. Also not as expensive to do as most people think since you're using the materials excavated from the ground of the construction for 85% of the frame. I'm not sharing pics of my house, CCS is too crazy for anyone to put anyone on this site that can identify where they live. Not that it matters, you can easily google a number of homes that have been made public.

You can upgrade walls of a wood-frame or wood panel home with pre-ram/pre-cast walls. Pre-ram are just composite+earth panels designed for quicker construction. IMO not as effective, but a huge step up from wood if installed correctly.
We did a family members home with pre-ram just on the sunny side, and utility bills dropped a ton. Also sealed her ductwork with this rubber powder and acetone-like mixture in the spring, so I'm curious if that did anything. We mainly did that for the filters because of allergies, but it's supposed to do wonders for leaking ducting, which improves zone HVAC and virtually eliminates negative pressure(less dust buildup).

I love solar. I hope more people figure out how to apply solar to their homes. But I know first hand that solar doesn't payback anywhere near well as other passive solutions. Less stress on the heat pump/AC, furnace, hybrid units that have heat pumps on water heaters or dehumidifiers/humidifiers. If power goes out(and/or solar output is too low), you can survive a cold winter easily in a home with the thermal mass of rammed earth for days without power, maybe the whole winter, pending the home design.
 

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Read up on it. You can't tell unless you're in my basement because it has regular siding , brickface and all divisions are drywall on stud. Funny that you call it alternative, because in most of the world, earth construction is the mainstream method to building a home. Rammed earth is just a modern process(last 30 years) to doing it in order to vastly improve everything in construction from previous techniques. Also not as expensive to do as most people think since you're using the materials excavated from the ground of the construction for 85% of the frame. I'm not sharing pics of my house, CCS is too crazy for anyone to put anyone on this site that can identify where they live. Not that it matters, you can easily google a number of homes that have been made public.

You can upgrade walls of a wood-frame or wood panel home with pre-ram/pre-cast walls. Pre-ram are just composite+earth panels designed for quicker construction. IMO not as effective, but a huge step up from wood if installed correctly.
We did a family members home with pre-ram just on the sunny side, and utility bills dropped a ton. Also sealed her ductwork with this rubber powder and acetone-like mixture in the spring, so I'm curious if that did anything. We mainly did that for the filters because of allergies, but it's supposed to do wonders for leaking ducting, which improves zone HVAC and virtually eliminates negative pressure(less dust buildup).

I love solar. I hope more people figure out how to apply solar to their homes. But I know first hand that solar doesn't payback anywhere near well as other passive solutions. Less stress on the heat pump/AC, furnace, hybrid units that have heat pumps on water heaters or dehumidifiers/humidifiers. If power goes out(and/or solar output is too low), you can survive a cold winter easily in a home with the thermal mass of rammed earth for days without power, maybe the whole winter, pending the home design.

yeah earth construction has been going on forever. crazy it is viewed as an alternative these days. ive seen some ram earth stuff was just interested in ur end product. but i get the interwebs privacy ccs thang

if it wasnt for the wife, id construct an earthbag home with various other building techniques mixed in here and there. shoved into the side of a hill.. a passive design.. but shes a fucking conformist that gets annoyed at our winter heating bills.

i use to have this perfect property booked mark in the states.. it sold years ago.. endless springs, ponds, flowing creek, acres of trees... 300 days of sun and winds..miles from people.. paradise.. oh and natural gas if it was all that..

one day.. but ill be too old and decrepit for that dream once its possible

as far as solar panels.. i dont keep up.. i wonder how those tesla solar roofs perform and its cost vs a normal roof....
 

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rammed earth home?

got a blog w/pic covering its build?

i do enjoy alt building styles
It's an alternative building style that uses dirt to make the walls, super great insulation. Think of Adobe construction being modernized.

They also make Earth ships around here that are basically tires and dirt that make super study highly insulated homes that hold about 70 degrees year round.

I like the concept of reusing tires and dirt to make your hovel...

Also there is the pre form concrete that is getting attention as it is study and fast and green.

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Anyone know anything about these new rubber roofs made from recycled tires?

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Most rammed earth people want to show off their walls. I like brickface appearance, so like I said, nobody can tell, looks and feels like any home people are used to, except the climate indoors is nearly always comfortable.

Recycled tire shred just makes for a repurposed rubber. IIRC, it's a 50-80 year roof rating(don't hold me to my word, I'm just lazy to google it now), pending the full application. So a very good class of roofing material as far as durability and weather proofing. Downside is minimal IMO. IDK your climate patterns, heck, I'm constantly rethinking things here because there is no single perfect solution. Just the single smartest solution for you consisting of the best balance of economic, practicality, and aesthetic.
 

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We want to go solar for our home which is a 2 story that is absolutely ridiculous to heat and cool. Sometimes our excel bill will reach $350/month. It's obnoxious.

Does anyone have any advice or warnings? I've heard Solar City is a ripoff and it's best to purchase and own your panels. Any thoughts or advice are greatly appreciated!

My excel bill last month was $1.06 but I had a $30 credit. It was mild enough I didn't run the air or heater.
 

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Solar is great for everyone not in California who passed a law protecting PG&E from having to pay consumers for electricity backfed into their grid from solar. Stupid fucking republican's.............oh wait...........democrats have controlled state government for 40 years.
 

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Solar is great for everyone not in California who passed a law protecting PG&E from having to pay consumers for electricity backfed into their grid from solar. Stupid fucking republican's.............oh wait...........democrats have controlled state government for 40 years.

I still think that it is a good deal for homeowners out here and I do not mind the excess collected going back into the grid because I am paying nothing for my electricity when my usage exceeds what my system collects. I guess that I could have put in a closed loop system along with a generator as back-up supply for the solar but never priced it out. At one point we were thinking about building a 2nd home in Colorado on some acreage that we own there and if we would have done it I would have put a closed loop system there since there are no utilities on the property.
 

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