Is Matt Nagy on the hot seat?

[mecha]

I normally would come to Pace's defense, but a large part of why the team is unable to gain any traction is due to poor high draft picks and trading high draft picks away. I give him credit for fixing the defense, which was historic levels bad before Fox, and were improving each year with Fox. the offense is incomplete and the quarterback didn't pan out and the kicker hopefully now is not the problem it was. that incomplete offense shows negatively on Nagy because he's supposed to be some offensive specialist. he's basically Mike Ditka, in the sense that he's a motivational coach, circa 1989.

if things don't improve he'll become Mike Ditka 1992 and he leaves.

 

[bufordht]

Actually, Fangio was re-hired by Nagy. He was out of contract and Nagy decided to bring him back and convinced Vic to take the job instead of moving on.

Yes of course. That was some dynamite evaluation by Nagy right there. Dy-no-mite!

 

[bufordht]

The funny thing is I think if they had stuck with Fox, this team would be better off long term. The reality is with Fox, I think the Bears probably win 10 instead of 12 games in 2018. However, with Fox, I think they win 10-11 games with Fox in 2019 instead of 8.

Essentially, Nagy's O only works when things are going good at QB. I think Mental Midget Mitch would have had a much easier time digesting Loggain's O and quite frankly it would have been better off for him as they could have designed a play action oriented O with a strong run game with Howard and Mitch scrambling as needed. They would have been the 2019 Niners basically with not as much offensive upside given Shanny is a better O coordinator.

The fundamental miscalculation was the idea that Pace and Nagy could build a modern offense. If they actually could do that then it would have been worth dumping Fox for the offensive upside. However, if they are unable too then we would have just been better off with a ball control play action O and a great D to grind out wins. Not as flashy as people want but doesn't need to be as the Niners almost proved last year.

Question:
So what does this team look like right now if they had kept Fox and let him draft Watson...

Answer:
So much better.

Ironic

 

[Mdbearz]

Pace made the biggest mistake of all and drafted the wrong QB, Nagy was until this year forced to use that QB.

If Nagy does not produce with Foles (I think he was Nagy's request), then I think he will be on the hot seat for 2021, but I do not see him getting fired at the conclusion of this season unless it really does fall apart.

I imagine at the end of last season when the Owners, Pace and Nagy got together for an evaluation that Nagy had some requests.
1. I need a catching TE
2. I need a QB that can hit the open receiver (and specifically ask for Foles because they were not going to be able to draft one)
3. Makes some changes to the coaching staff to support Foles

I think that Pace and the owners agreed that these were changes they could live with, and I think that they came with some expectation of success.

I tend to think that the owners and Pace still believe in Nagy, because not only did they get Graham in FA, but the first pick was a top rate TE.

I simply do not think it was a coincidence that the coaching staff that was brought on board have direct connections to Foles. I think it was driven by Nagy and the FO supported him. That is simply not the type of action that a FO would take unless they still believe in their HC.

Now for the other side of the coin.....

The FO (this includes Pace) have done some things that show they support the other coach on the team - Pagano.
Getting Quinn and Gipson in FA and drafting Johnson made a strong unit better (hopefully).

They have a coach in house that has been very successful at every level, and could at any time they see fit ask him to become the HC.....

I think Pagano could attract a good Offensive Coordinator and the FO has seen him run an entire team, where Nagy really is only in charge of the Offensive side of the ball.

 

[Chicago4Life]

pace's contract runs through 2021 whereas nagy's runs through 2022, if the bears fail to make the playoffs this year both are gone.

 

[twetz]

First off, I cannot believe any support for John Fox who was, for a small point in time, the statistically worst coach in Bears' history. He now firmly holds the second worst, ever. Go find the picture of his face on the sideline after effing up the challenge against the Packers - if you take a look at that, you'll never feel the need to post a single comment in his favor.

Matt Nagy had a crappy year. So did Tarik Cohen, Mitch Trubisky, Charles Leno, Kyle Long, James Daniels when he was at center, Prince Amukamara, Leonard Floyd, Aaron Lynch, Trey Burton, Adam Shaheen, Anthony Miller - until the second half of the season - do I need to keep on going? Nagy drank his own Kool Aid by thinking his team was a place kicker away from the Super Bowl.

Guess what? He (and Pace) made changes which we will hopefully see play out. Why hire someone with no experience if you can't give them time to develop. I get it - it's the no patience league and teams go from last place into the playoffs, but Nagy has the potential to become a good coach. The Bears did what is very popular in the NFL to replace Fox - pick an offensive coordinator from an explosive, high powered offense over someone like Fangio. Have some patience.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I don't see why Nagy wouldn't be on the hot seat.

 

[bufordht]

First off, I cannot believe any support for John Fox who was, for a small point in time, the statistically worst coach in Bears' history. He now firmly holds the second worst, ever. Go find the picture of his face on the sideline after effing up the challenge against the Packers - if you take a look at that, you'll never feel the need to post a single comment in his favor.

Matt Nagy had a crappy year. So did Tarik Cohen, Mitch Trubisky, Charles Leno, Kyle Long, James Daniels when he was at center, Prince Amukamara, Leonard Floyd, Aaron Lynch, Trey Burton, Adam Shaheen, Anthony Miller - until the second half of the season - do I need to keep on going? Nagy drank his own Kool Aid by thinking his team was a place kicker away from the Super Bowl.

Guess what? He (and Pace) made changes which we will hopefully see play out. Why hire someone with no experience if you can't give them time to develop. I get it - it's the no patience league and teams go from last place into the playoffs, but Nagy has the potential to become a good coach. The Bears did what is very popular in the NFL to replace Fox - pick an offensive coordinator from an explosive, high powered offense over someone like Fangio. Have some patience.

I haven't seen any posts supporting John Fox. Just a few that question it maybe Nagy might be even worse.

If everyone on the offense has a down year, don't you have to look at the common denominator?

 

[modo]

Question:
So what does this team look like right now if they had kept Fox and let him draft Watson...

Answer:
So much better.

Ironic

would the rest of the team look the same?

would Watson be allowed to throw before 3rd down?

 

[Bearcub13]

I absolutely think he could be on the hot seat this year and fired next year. (Right now, I would bet it's going to happen. He could be packing his bags with Pace.)

- Forget about coach of the year, we all know that was Fangio.
- He has nothing to do with the defense or special teams.
- He's supposedly in charge of the offense.
- We find out that he didn't have much to do with the running game or o-line.
- So all he's responsible for is the passing game and it's one of the worst in the league.
- To top it off, he admits that he doesn't coach mechanics because "You throw how you throw."
- It's getting hard to pin point anything he does. Call plays? He sucks at that too.

- He's got Nick Foles next year who's a SB MVP, if he cannot do something with that, then maybe it's time to admit he - like I said from the beginning - is a glorified QB coach who got fast tracked because of the allure of hiring a young "genius" offensive mind like other teams have done.

Unlike Halftime, I will freely admit I am guessing here. My take is this, Year one Coach Nagy was an unknown quantity.
The Bears offense was somewhat successful, the league took note, and figured out how to take stuff away and force the Bears out of their offensive comfort zone. Coach Nagy was not able to adjust, and we saw what happened. I can forgive a sophomore slump from a first time head coach. But, if the offense is putrid again this year, I would think Coach Nagy should be elsewhere.

 

[remydat]

would the rest of the team look the same?

would Watson be allowed to throw before 3rd down?

Yes to the 2nd question as he would have proven he could actually have success. I know the narrative was that Fox and Loggains stunted Mitch's growth but the reality appears to be they were protecting a severely limited QB whose brain is far behind his athletic talents.

Given Pace sprung Mitch on him unexpectedly on draft day, I can only imagine how dumbfounded Fox must have been watching Mental Midget Mitch struggle with basic concepts when they had a chance to take a proven 2.5 year college starter at one of the best programs in the nation.

It is really amazing looking back at how much of a project Mitch was and this was all very much a possibility back then because of his college inexperience.

 

[RiDLer80]

I think he's on the hot seat. Mostly because we have a championship defense and he, an offensive-minded HC, who calls who own plays and was specifically brought in to develop Mitch has failed at installing a respectable offense.

If we underachieve this year it'll most likely be because of the offense which falls squarely on Nagy's shoulders.

 

[twetz]

I haven't seen any posts supporting John Fox. Just a few that question it maybe Nagy might be even worse.

If everyone on the offense has a down year, don't you have to look at the common denominator?

Sure, look at the common denominator, but don't give the individual players a pass for their crappiness. Remember the game vs. the Eagles. 6 first half drives, the first 5 were three and outs. Tarik Cohen 2 drops in the 1st half. 3 sacks in the first half. Started out 1st and fifteen because Shaheen had a penalty. Started first and 20 because of a holding on Patterson (Eagles gave 5 back on an offside). Leno with a holding penalty that got declined.

Amazingly enough, the Bears could have taken a 4th quarter lead, but Montgomery dropped a screen pass that was perfectly set up. So, who gets the blame for that shit show? I remember a quote from Bum Phillips who said there are only two ways to get better: get better players or get the players you've got to get better. I'm curious to see how much better Nagy can do - has he learned enough?

 

[Chris Sojka]

First off, I cannot believe any support for John Fox who was, for a small point in time, the statistically worst coach in Bears' history. He now firmly holds the second worst, ever. Go find the picture of his face on the sideline after effing up the challenge against the Packers - if you take a look at that, you'll never feel the need to post a single comment in his favor.

Matt Nagy had a crappy year. So did Tarik Cohen, Mitch Trubisky, Charles Leno, Kyle Long, James Daniels when he was at center, Prince Amukamara, Leonard Floyd, Aaron Lynch, Trey Burton, Adam Shaheen, Anthony Miller - until the second half of the season - do I need to keep on going? Nagy drank his own Kool Aid by thinking his team was a place kicker away from the Super Bowl.

Guess what? He (and Pace) made changes which we will hopefully see play out. Why hire someone with no experience if you can't give them time to develop. I get it - it's the no patience league and teams go from last place into the playoffs, but Nagy has the potential to become a good coach. The Bears did what is very popular in the NFL to replace Fox - pick an offensive coordinator from an explosive, high powered offense over someone like Fangio. Have some patience.

They are part of the offense. The offense had a bad year. Its on Nagy

 

[run and shoot]

The "defensive window" is closing

yeah...Nagy should be on the hot seat. We can't accept mediocrity on offense. Our defense can't accept mediocrity on offense.

 

[Angry Boomer]

Nagy will solidify his position by designing more trick plays for losses

 

[gwharris2254]

In Nagy's defense
1) He now wants to utilize preseason for getting our players up to game speed by the opener. + 0.5 - 1.0 games in the W
2) He got rid of Hiestand and Mr Oregon and added two solid commodities + 0.5 in the W column
3 ) Had to have been instrumental in addressing the TE room + 0.50 " "
4) Any others ?? Must be something, help me out here ? + 0.50

au contraire
1) Does not talk about Why the O has been ineffective - 1.0
2) Still tries to be tricky with personnel - 0.5
3) Didn't seem to learn from lessons exposing running two smurfs on the field at the same time expecting different results -0.5
4) Does not go with what is working ... ie ... If the running game is working use it - 0.5

I really don't see Nagy improving much this year and consequently should be shitcanned.

PACE on the other hand demonstrates addressing Needs ( minus going Oline 2nd round 2020 )
He has essentially done his part to create a Top 5 Defense while relying on Nagy to develop the O.

It seems to me that Pace will outlast Nagy, even though their contracts are oppositely inclined.

I think that ownership will give them All of 2021 before they make a change and then Nagy will go, followed by Pace in 2023 if a different head coach sucks also.

Forget about changes BEARs fans at the top.

At least we presently have 1st rounders in the 2021 and 2022 draft before Pace is gone. 2nds too and possibly some comp pics.

We gotta get that running attack goin or it won't matter which QB we have OR head coach / general manager

 

[BearFanJohn]

I think a bad 2020 gets both Nagy and Pace fired. Both will have had enough times to prove themselves. A mediocre year, say 9-7, and maybe they get another shot. 10-6, even if they don’t make the playoffs, they both stay.