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Right now the Bears have a combination of a QB that needs to play a particular way to be successful and a head coach that wants to play in his system.

Neither person is an ideal situation.

We saw it yesterday with Nagy getting cute on quite a few plays again. He can't help himself. He used pre-snap movement to fool precisely no one. He used a lot of east-west plays.

Our defensive coordinator tricked the Packers into thinking that the CBs were going to cover the receivers.......that is just what a a typical NFL team does so lets be special and get the LBers to do it....

The loss yesterday was a team effort and it is indicative of the failed coaching leadership on this team over the past couple years.
 

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In all fairness, our D dropped 3 shoulda been interceptions from Erin. Mitch may not be the answer for our franchise at QB, but I would be ok with bringing him back for a couple years, while we draft and develop his replacement. Id much rather watch Mitch start than Foles
Neither of the should start, this team needs to learn to move on.
 

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Wentz goes to Indy, and Alex Smith/Foles run the Bears?
Think Alex retires. Determined to come back and play but he'll be 37 before next season starts and really has lost a major part of his game without the mobility he had. Hard for him to even throw on the run.

One posiive that's always been said about Foles is how good he is as a mentor. And even as people hate on him for how poor he played, he did play while the o-line was at its absolute worst. The timing of Mitch's return and his limited success had a lot to do with shoring up the o-line which not only provided Mitch better protection but afforded the opportunity for Montgomery to finally get going. Could see Bears drafting a QB and depending on what type training camp can be had, either start that rookie or play him behind Foles til the time is just right.
 

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Think Alex retires. Determined to come back and play but he'll be 37 before next season starts and really has lost a major part of his game without the mobility he had. Hard for him to even throw on the run.

One posiive that's always been said about Foles is how good he is as a mentor. And even as people hate on him for how poor he played, he did play while the o-line was at its absolute worst. The timing of Mitch's return and his limited success had a lot to do with shoring up the o-line which not only provided Mitch better protection but afforded the opportunity for Montgomery to finally get going. Could see Bears drafting a QB and depending on what type training camp can be had, either start that rookie or play him behind Foles til the time is just right.

Part of it of course too is that Foles was a sitting duck. They don't respect his mobility and bull rush our weak at point of attack line to death and it beats them up to to be attacked like that and blown the fuck up on every play.

I'd like to see Foles in a Martz offense. That would be fun. I think you need two premeire pass blocking tackles and some big beef block phone booth guys in the middle to hold up.

I respect Foles game and feel bad for him he went to the Jaguars and then the Bears, but Foles is severely limited and you need to build the offense around him.

Trubisky just has a different skill set that neutrilizes you and gives his poor talent 0-line a 25/25/25/25 shot and keeps the defense guessing....roll left/roll right/drop back/hand-off.

If your o-line sucks don't let them attack it. They have a decent foundation of guys to build up from now. I am glad that Heistands stop actually did Bear fruit in the end with Bars/Mustipher contributing, and some guys developing even if schematically 2018-19 was a total shit show.
 
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Neither of the should start, this team needs to learn to move on.
Very true. Never really feel the urgency to replace a player til he's gone. Yeah, you wish the Bears were smarter and set themselves up better knowing Trubisky would be a FA but it always been their MO that they don't have that kind of foresight.

Looking at it from Trubisky's standpoint, certainly not in his best interest to take a "team friendly" deal. His first time being a FA and likely his best and only chance to make real good money with about 10 teams in very real need of a starting QB.
 

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Thanks for proving my point.
First thing on the list of searching for highlights was a 53yd pass from yesterday's game.
You guys should really reassess what being a fan means. I guarantee it doesn't mean being hypercritical and only seeing the worst.

A 53 yard pass that Wilson, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Murray, etc. etc. etc throw in stride for 6 instead of predictably underthrowing the receiver and missing out on a TD. Mitch sucks and needs to go. One of the worst picks ever. Cannot make NFL throws.
 

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The issue with Mitch is that he is a bum slayer who plays average against good to great defenses.

He isn't a bad QB and he isn't a good QB. He will range from having average to great games, but it depends on the defense.
His issue is making the second read. He is one of the bottom 5 in that category. And this is a coachable thing to address. You can do drills for this. Matt Hasselbeck has been saying you can do drills where you take away the first read so that he gets used to doing the progression quicker to the second read.

Last year he worked on this extensively but he OC at the time, stated that he was doing the second read progressions too quickly and missing the first read. So it is now a mix of not staying on the first read long enough and going to the second read too quickly. So this proves he has the brains to do it, but he has to work on timing issues.

This is all coaching. All that being said he may have been messed around with too much by this staff and it is likely he will achieve success elsewhere.
 

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Its the same storyline each and every time they face the packers, "We just have to make him play QB and we will win the game". Im tired of having to hear/read this shit as a fan.

Yep. From 2012:

"It's the same old Jay," Charles Woodson told ESPN's Rachel Nichols after the game. "We just need to be in position. Jay will throw us the ball."
 

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Yep. From 2012:
And Last season too

Full Tramon Williams quote on Mitch Trubisky: "We wanted to make Mitch play quarterback. We knew they had a lot of weapons, we knew they were dangerous, we knew all of those things. But we knew if we could make Mitch play quarterback, that we’d have a chance."
 

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Didn't Foles engineer a 6 game losing streak?

You mean with Patterson getting major snaps in a struggling running game

A offensive line depleted by Covid and injuries

You add in having to adjust to the offense losing its most targeted player while playing the leagues best defenses

That is what engineered a 4 game losing streak and as soon as they had a chance to adjust over the bye week they were able to turn things around by getting those things corrected and took advantage of the garbage teams on the schedule .

The fact that you basically blamed Foles for two losses that he didn't even play in shows just how out of control and deluded the narrative has become .

Foles loss to the 12-4 Saints , 11-5 Titans ,and 10-6 Rams during his 4 game losing streak .


The ability to run the ball in any of those games changes them completely
 

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You mean with Patterson getting major snaps in a struggling running game

A offensive line depleted by Covid and injuries

You add in having to adjust to the offense losing its most targeted player while playing the leagues best defenses

That is what engineered a 4 game losing streak and as soon as they had a chance to adjust over the bye week they were able to turn things around by getting those things corrected and took advantage of the garbage teams on the schedule .

The fact that you basically blamed Foles for two losses that he didn't even play in shows just how out of control and deluded the narrative has become .

Foles loss to the 12-4 Saints , 11-5 Titans ,and 10-6 Rams during his 4 game losing streak .


The ability to run the ball in any of those games changes them completely
Yes..I mean Foles lost 6 in a row
 

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The issue with Mitch is that he is a bum slayer who plays average against good to great defenses.

He isn't a bad QB and he isn't a good QB. He will range from having average to great games, but it depends on the defense.
His issue is making the second read. He is one of the bottom 5 in that category. And this is a coachable thing to address. You can do drills for this. Matt Hasselbeck has been saying you can do drills where you take away the first read so that he gets used to doing the progression quicker to the second read.

Last year he worked on this extensively but he OC at the time, stated that he was doing the second read progressions too quickly and missing the first read. So it is now a mix of not staying on the first read long enough and going to the second read too quickly. So this proves he has the brains to do it, but he has to work on timing issues.

This is all coaching. All that being said he may have been messed around with too much by this staff and it is likely he will achieve success elsewhere.


the guy has no feel for that level of play so yeah it can be taught but the qbs who do it well have a natural feel for the game which Mitch just doesn't have . The fact hat he still struggles making reads in the intermediate and deep zones pretty much kills any chance he has of success elsewhere.

There just is not gonna be much room for success for a qb that can only have success against man to man and only if hes rolling out. The future doesnt bode well for a qb whose signature win is against the Vikings and plays his best against the Lions .
 

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Lol no, he’s been bad for 4 years

What I replied to said a career of low lights. Nothing about him being bad, it was about him never able to do anything good.
He has plenty of highlights, just not enough of them on a consistent basis.


A 53 yard pass that Wilson, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Murray, etc. etc. etc throw in stride for 6 instead of predictably underthrowing the receiver and missing out on a TD. Mitch sucks and needs to go. One of the worst picks ever. Cannot make NFL throws.

Imagine a chalkboard. 2 points out of 12 with 12 opposing points. Somewhere between a split second and a few seconds those 24 points bang around. The 2 points you are talking about are in the mess. The single point you are blaming releases the ball while the other point you are excusing is still running around getting jostled by the other 22 points. A split second later the ball from point A converges with point B.

If anything your list of gods shows it's better to be lucky than good because there's too much going on the QB has no control over.
In reality it's a team game. It takes a QB that knows where the WR should be. A WR who can adjust. And a HC/OC that can draw up a play to get them there in spite of the other 12 people and HC/OC trying to stop them.

Not only is Mitch not good, our HC isn't good, our WRs aren't good and our Oline is pitiful. We spent all the capital getting good a pass rush defense so they can be held without penalty constantly. If you want a QB to be good you need to get the people around him to be good.
But remember Emery/Trestman, if the Bears ever do try to get good players on offense the fans will make them pay for having a bad defense. That was the closest we came to entering the modern NFL, it sure hasn't been since Pace and Nagy promised to bring the Bears into the modern NFL.
 

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Next season will be very hard to watch if Mitch is the starter next year. Mitch is a Bottom 20 starting QB at best. I’m sure some backups are more talented
If he's a bottom 20 starting qb, that would put him somewhere outside the top 12 starting qbs. So potentially a top 15 qb?
 

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He really should have had 3 picks.

Aaron was giving him a run for his money on "almost" INTs as well. The Bears defense didn't capitalize on the opportunities and the offense, once again, appeared mostly inept. The Bears in their current incarnation simply can't compete with the upper echelon of teams this season.
 

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