ClydeLee
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I will admit before all of this, Aaron Rodgers is very productive in statical terms and effective, but I am questioning does that allow him to be considered as elite and should he be thought of as a top 5 QB.
All he has done is been effective as a good all game long QB but he isn't a game winner even though he has the defense this and last year. Any big game he finds a way to not have the ball to win it. A fumble isn't his fault but if he wants to be elite he has to will his team to play the way they need to get a game winning drive. He winds up being too automatic and efficient to win. He racks up the yards due to the penalties and sacks he does have a big effect of raking up because he holds the ball too long... His WR fumbled... well the play before he threw a terrible intentional grounding pass.. if the WR truly did break wrong it's the QBs job to be on page with his players to go run the right routes.
Somehow he is accredited to all that success but all his big game losses are taken away from him because of excuses. It wasn't his fault he fumbled against Arizona because his facemask was grabbed after. Or his sacks aren't his fault at all he has a bad line.. Expectations are too much because of Favre.. He is gift wrapped all the heat by the media for no reason. He has done nothing spectacular in his career except play efficient from game to game.
Joe Montana was quoted before something like the following, QBs are paid money to play on 3rd downs and the end of 4th quarters or OT. Rodgers hasn't done much anything in those 4th quarters yet to be considered elite.
There's a player like Ben Rothlesberger who is hardly as consistent or effective throughout the game, but he constantly has had it in him to come up big on winning drives and play elite in the final 2 minutes of a half and the 4th quarter. That's how an elite QB is a winning QB. He didn't let having a bad below average line stop him from winning a super bowl with that method.
Trying to look it up. I know Rodgers was around 0-6 in 2008 in attempted game winning or tying come from behind final 5ish minutes of 4th quarters. Last year it looks like he had two, and both were against the Bears.(the second one they were tied) The other games they were either leading by 3 points or shortly in that time in games won or several others he had the chance to make it happened, but he lost - Vikings loss and Bengals or other game or so. He did tie the playoff game against Arizona... yet coughs up the ball and losses right as the ball is his to have.
So he is about 1 1/2-10 in key moments. Why exactly is he elite. Why did NFL players elite status change and go the way of baseball and be all about statistical success. Before I thought elite QB were players that had consistent game to game success, Made players around them greater, and took games upon themselves to be won in the final moments.
All out of that I've seen Rodgers just be consistent and nothing else special or elite.
All he has done is been effective as a good all game long QB but he isn't a game winner even though he has the defense this and last year. Any big game he finds a way to not have the ball to win it. A fumble isn't his fault but if he wants to be elite he has to will his team to play the way they need to get a game winning drive. He winds up being too automatic and efficient to win. He racks up the yards due to the penalties and sacks he does have a big effect of raking up because he holds the ball too long... His WR fumbled... well the play before he threw a terrible intentional grounding pass.. if the WR truly did break wrong it's the QBs job to be on page with his players to go run the right routes.
Somehow he is accredited to all that success but all his big game losses are taken away from him because of excuses. It wasn't his fault he fumbled against Arizona because his facemask was grabbed after. Or his sacks aren't his fault at all he has a bad line.. Expectations are too much because of Favre.. He is gift wrapped all the heat by the media for no reason. He has done nothing spectacular in his career except play efficient from game to game.
Joe Montana was quoted before something like the following, QBs are paid money to play on 3rd downs and the end of 4th quarters or OT. Rodgers hasn't done much anything in those 4th quarters yet to be considered elite.
There's a player like Ben Rothlesberger who is hardly as consistent or effective throughout the game, but he constantly has had it in him to come up big on winning drives and play elite in the final 2 minutes of a half and the 4th quarter. That's how an elite QB is a winning QB. He didn't let having a bad below average line stop him from winning a super bowl with that method.
Trying to look it up. I know Rodgers was around 0-6 in 2008 in attempted game winning or tying come from behind final 5ish minutes of 4th quarters. Last year it looks like he had two, and both were against the Bears.(the second one they were tied) The other games they were either leading by 3 points or shortly in that time in games won or several others he had the chance to make it happened, but he lost - Vikings loss and Bengals or other game or so. He did tie the playoff game against Arizona... yet coughs up the ball and losses right as the ball is his to have.
So he is about 1 1/2-10 in key moments. Why exactly is he elite. Why did NFL players elite status change and go the way of baseball and be all about statistical success. Before I thought elite QB were players that had consistent game to game success, Made players around them greater, and took games upon themselves to be won in the final moments.
All out of that I've seen Rodgers just be consistent and nothing else special or elite.