Bears Schedule Release

[bearmick]

Am I reading this right....the Bears will only be playing in 2 timezones?

Yep, they play the eastern divisions in both conferences. Only game against a west team is week one and its at home.

 

[bamainatlanta]

SF opens up as 6.5 point favorites at Chicago.

That means they would be favored by 12.5 at home. Oof.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Yep, they play the eastern divisions in both conferences. Only game against a west team is week one and its at home.

So how Does Liverpool slow down Benzema?

 

[bearmick]

So how Does Liverpool slow down Benzema?

With more comfort than Madrid's leaky defense will handle our front three. I was delighted not to be playing City. We'll beat Madrid.

 

[bamainatlanta]

With more comfort than Madrid's leaky defense will handle our front three. I was delighted not to be playing City. We'll beat Madrid.

Madrid's run reminds me of the ridicolous 2012 Chelsea run with their improbable comebacks. I want Liverpool to win but Madrid has that destiny thing going. (Also they cheap spotted your goalie in the final a few years back which gave him a concussion and a victory)

 

[DB012031]

They still have the outside pass rush. Obviously Robert Quinn. There's a lot to like about Al Quadin Mohammed--getting better every year, 26, and his familiarity with scheme. I'm not high on Trevis Gipson lasting long with Flus, but many here think he's here to stay as well. That's not a bad 3 man rotation for pass rushing.

They're going to get gutted alive in the run game. No 3 tech, and a rotation of Blackson, Tonga, the backup from the Chargers, and probably Mario Edwards is going to get abused. They don't need a unicorn/elite level 3 tech, but even basic penetration to put pressure between opposing guards looks like a problem. Quan and Morrow are going to have to go above and beyond shedding guards making it to the 2nd level.

Hard to feel good about this team when it didn't do much to build on a bottom-feeding offense (especially the OL) and have a bottom of the middle-of-the-pack at best defense. I get the schedule can bounce with an injury to another teams' star, but I don't know how this team right now is winning more than 4-5 games.

I think it really depends on the gap scheme the Bears play on whether or not they get "killled" in the run game. Alot of people keep using the Lovie Smith Bears Defense as the example of the penetrating 3 Tech with Tommie Harris because he was a penetrating tackle. However, many forget the 2001 Defense (Jauron and Blache) where its a similar set up to Lovie's Defense but instead of penetrating D-Tackles they went with Space Eaters at the DT (Washington and Traylor). Now I am not saying Tonga and Blackson are those two guys, but they are almost 330LB DT's that may be asked to simply take on blockers/eat space so that our ends (Quin/Gipson) get a lot of 1 on 1 situations. I alos believe that our secondary will be vastly better with the additions of our draft picks and JJ being Healthy.

So, I think its all about what scheme they run with the 4 down linemen (and maybe a resigning of Hicks since no one else has picked him up yet). There are a couple of ways to run that Tampa 2 style of defense with the front four,, both of which can be successful

 

[bearmick]

Madrid's run reminds me of the ridicolous 2012 Chelsea run with their improbable comebacks. I want Liverpool to win but Madrid has that destiny thing going. (Also they cheap spotted your goalie in the final a few years back which gave him a concussion and a victory)

Yeah this is a better Liverpool team and worse Madrid team than the 2018 final. They should have been out already to Chelsea and City but as you mentioned, they've had improbable comebacks. I think there's more chance of Chelsea beating us in the FA Cup final tomorrow than Madrid beating us.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

So, I think its all about what scheme they run with the 4 down linemen (and maybe a resigning of Hicks since no one else has picked him up yet). There are a couple of ways to run that Tampa 2 style of defense with the front four,, both of which can be successful

Eberflus runs a 4-2-5 cover 3 not a Tampa 2, and as far as DT is concerned, flus’s scheme is predicated on his 3 tech dominating the B gap.

A big part of the colts turnaround was Deforest Buckner doing just that. Blackson, Tonga, Edwards, and Jones aren’t doing that.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Eberflus runs a 4-2-5 cover 3 not a Tampa 2, and as far as DT is concerned, flus’s scheme is predicated on his 3 tech dominating the B gap.

A big part of the colts turnaround was Deforest Buckner doing just that. Blackson, Tonga, Edwards, and Jones aren’t doing that.

Correct. The 3T is a big concern.

 

[DB012031]

Eberflus runs a 4-2-5 cover 3 not a Tampa 2, and as far as DT is concerned, flus’s scheme is predicated on his 3 tech dominating the B gap.

A big part of the colts turnaround was Deforest Buckner doing just that. Blackson, Tonga, Edwards, and Jones aren’t doing that.

Yes and no. The "Tampa 2" while it looks like a 2 deep shell on the pre-snap, usually was then moved to a Cover 3 shell at the snap. Go back and watch the older Lovie Defenses, they showed "Tampa 2" but then mostly went into a Cover 3 shell.

I guess you and I are splitting hairs here on the secondary coverage. But again, the front 4 can operate in a variety of ways. You are correct, we do not have a penetrating 3T, can't disagree with you there. My point is that its not the only way to run that front 4. You can also go with 2 "space eaters" in that same defense, allowing 1 on 1 with the ends and with the extra safety coming into the box (one would assume its Eddie Jackson) that then adds an extra run defender.

So yes, Flus's system in Indy was predicated on 3T penetration, BUT, that same defense can be run with 2 space eaters instead of a penetrator. Now, this could be neutralized by bringing back say Hicks, who if I recall still hasn't signed with anyone yet.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

Yes and no. The "Tampa 2" while it looks like a 2 deep shell on the pre-snap, usually was then moved to a Cover 3 shell at the snap. Go back and watch the older Lovie Defenses, they showed "Tampa 2" but then mostly went into a Cover 3 shell.

The tampa 2 is cover 2. Not cover 3.

I don’t need to go back and watch older lovie defenses and how they lined up presnap. Erin Rodgers saw to it that it fooled nobody, neither did that stupid fake A gap blitz 54 and 55 lined in the A gaps then got torched because Jennings/Nelson were where they’re supposed to be, dashing into the secondary untouched for a big gain, usually on 3rd and long.

I guess you and I are splitting hairs here on the secondary coverage. But again, the front 4 can operate in a variety of ways. You are correct, we do not have a penetrating 3T, can't disagree with you there. My point is that its not the only way to run that front 4. You can also go with 2 "space eaters" in that same defense, allowing 1 on 1 with the ends and with the extra safety coming into the box (one would assume its Eddie Jackson) that then adds an extra run defender.

So yes, Flus's system in Indy was predicated on 3T penetration, BUT, that same defense can be run with 2 space eaters instead of a penetrator. Now, this could be neutralized by bringing back say Hicks, who if I recall still hasn't signed with anyone yet.

We never split hairs about anything. You mentioned secondary. I didn’t until the second to last line in the response above, I’ve focused on DL, particularly 3 technique, which is arguably the most important position in the new scheme. Unless I’ve Alzheimer’s.

The similarity I think you’re trying to draw between Tampa 2 and what Eberflus runs is simplicity of assignment for most players. That’s been consistent when players have spoken about the new coach and scheme. But I don’t know how the schemes are similar when one looks like cover 3 but is actually cover 2 and the other one is just cover 3.

The bears won’t be able to get away with ‘two space eaters.’ I don’t know how you can conclude 2 space eaters = 1 on 1s for the DE when Tonga/Blackson have shown the same ability Eddie Goldman did last year, where he couldn’t force the other team to put more than 1 set of hands to take him out of the play, as you need from a 0 gap NT in a 3-4.

3 tech is vital. Dominating the b gap is vital. Just putting a body who can’t do that but is ‘a space eater’ is a fast recipe for a running back to have an easy time getting to the 2nd level without anybody putting their hands on him, which was my point of “getting gutted” in the first place.

If the plan is to wait for Ogunjobi to clear medically then sign him, that will fix a lot of problems. Otherwise it won’t shock me when RBs average 5+ yards a gain.

 

[Nelly]

Other than the 3 prime time games all others kickoff at Noon:

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4 of our last 5 at home. Too bad they're all against good teams.

 

[SD Bears Fan]

With more comfort than Madrid's leaky defense will handle our front three. I was delighted not to be playing City. We'll beat Madrid.

It won't be close. Liverpool big. One of the worst choke jobs in a long time by City.

 

[bears51/40]

They still have the outside pass rush. Obviously Robert Quinn. There's a lot to like about Al Quadin Mohammed--getting better every year, 26, and his familiarity with scheme. I'm not high on Trevis Gipson lasting long with Flus, but many here think he's here to stay as well. That's not a bad 3 man rotation for pass rushing.

They're going to get gutted alive in the run game. No 3 tech, and a rotation of Blackson, Tonga, the backup from the Chargers, and probably Mario Edwards is going to get abused. They don't need a unicorn/elite level 3 tech, but even basic penetration to put pressure between opposing guards looks like a problem. Quan and Morrow are going to have to go above and beyond shedding guards making it to the 2nd level.

Hard to feel good about this team when it didn't do much to build on a bottom-feeding offense (especially the OL) and have a bottom of the middle-of-the-pack at best defense. I get the schedule can bounce with an injury to another teams' star, but I don't know how this team right now is winning more than 4-5 games.

I agree that the Bears will a solid three man rotation at DE, and I will interested in seeing if Dominique Robinson can get some play time as a rush specialist.

Where I disagree with your opinion is on the interior at DT. Tonga at his listed weight of 321 has some quickness as the NT and Jones was a three year starter for the Chargers and was considered the best run stuffer they had. In college Jones was best when used as a 3T, a position he has yet to play in the NFL.

 

[bears51/40]

Correct. The 3T is a big concern.

It may not be as big a concern as most are making it out to be. In college Jones best position was the 3T, it could be he was playing out of position with the Chargers. Gotta see how he holds up.

 

[bamainatlanta]

It may not be as big a concern as most are making it out to be. In college Jones best position was the 3T, it could be he was playing out of position with the Chargers. Gotta see how he holds up.

That's probably true but the scheme requires a dominant 3T not just a good 3T.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

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[bears51/40]

That's probably true but the scheme requires a dominant 3T not just a good 3T.

I would love to have a dominate Tommie Harris type 3T, but for 2022, I will settle for a Henry Melton type season from Justin Jones.