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Because Fields decided where he was going with the ball like a second before that.

You have no idea how fast things happen in the NFL. He would have seen AR, decided to throw to him, and gotten the ball out, with a guy hitting him. That take a second. in that second the safety identified where he was going, Herbert continued heading upfield, creating that separation.

No NFL QB see that and makes that throw. It's also a 45+ yard throw off no platform and basically being hit by the rusher. Correct read, awful throw.

here is the problem with that, he should of decided to go to Herbert BEFORE the ball was snapped, He thought he had a free play.. so what do you do on a free play? GO DEEP you have nothing to lose.

What did he do for his "free play" ? looked to the left for a 3 yard pass and almost threw it.. Now sure maybe that was just a pump fake to open things up.. but pre snap is 100% going to the deep route on a free play, the fact that he never even looked there might be more damming then the terrible throw
 
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Nice job putting words into his mouth. He already knows he should have thrown to the open guy. All he is doing is pointing something else out.

Yes and one can interpret pointing out something that has nothing to do with the topic as an attempt to deflect.
 

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Lol, except the nitpicking is a reference to you claiming it was dumb or unusual. I just had no need to quote your entire sentence.

Are you trying to tell me what I meant by saying you were nitpicking while then also telling me I am micromanaging what you wrote?
You said I was making an excuse for Fields, I told you to learn to read, and it should have ended there if you argued with any integrity.

You had no need to quote what entire sentence? The fuck are you even talking about, my first post? You did quote both sentences and you only commented on the second one.

I have idea what the last sentence above is in reference to.
 

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here is the problem with that, he should of decided to go to Herbert BEFORE the ball was snapped, He thought he had a free play.. so what do you do on a free play? GO DEEP you have nothing to lose.

What did he do for his "free play" ? looked to the left for a 3 yard pass and almost threw it.. Now sure maybe that was just a pump fake to open things up.. but pre snap is 100% going to the deep route on a free play, the fact that he never even looked there might be more damming then the terrible throw
It wasn't a free play, I never claimed it was. Who said it was a free play, and why?

I guess you can argue that he could have found Herbert deep off the scramble (as I mentioned I don't think there's much chance to make that happen), but when was he open before that? He was covered plus he is a running back whose nefver caught a pass other than as a safety valve.
 

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Yes and one can interpret pointing out something that has nothing to do with the topic as an attempt to deflect.
If one actually reads what's written in this case, not really. Because, you know, the first sentence should have told any normal reader that I thought Fields missed another open man.
 

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It wasn't a free play, I never claimed it was. Who said it was a free play, and why?

I guess you can argue that he could have found Herbert deep off the scramble (as I mentioned I don't think there's much chance to make that happen), but when was he open before that? He was covered plus he is a running back whose nefver caught a pass other than as a safety valve.

the coach called 12 men out there and told him to snap it over the headset.. The coach was an idiot and wrong but fields thought he had a free play, he even said that in his press conference..
 

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the coach called 12 men out there and told him to snap it over the headset.. The coach was an idiot and wrong but fields thought he had a free play, he even said that in his press conference..
Ah, I didn't hear that. He was under pressure pretty immediately, and I didn't think Herbert was open early in the route, but I can see the argument there.
 

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There is fine line here between Fields gaining experience and being damaged. I’d be inclined to protect Fields from the Nagy offensive shitshow and put Dalton back in. The current scheme and OL are not conducive to helping a rookie find his feet.
 

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Having fields in there is showing where the Bears are weak all across the board.

And I know I've gone in hard on a couple people, mostly because I think the reason they're questioning what I'm saying is because I'm the one saying it rather than the actual details hence why I am throwing pro football focus right in their damn face, but I acknowledge that there are things Fields needs to work on of course.

But my God to act like it's all fields or to just passively mention other broken parts of the team and then put it mostly on fields is insanity.

What I will say is those who have been really going after Ryan pace have been dead on right, and those who have been going in on nagy from the beginning were dead on right.

Many of those same people feel Justin will be okay if we can get a better head coach and some protection around him in the off season.

Since they had that other foresight I'm inclined to agree with them
in all honesty, their are quite a few on here who are already calling Lawrence a bust, and the Jags are shittier than the Bears imho
 

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There is fine line here between Fields gaining experience and being damaged. I’d be inclined to protect Fields from the Nagy offensive shitshow and put Dalton back in. The current scheme and OL are not conducive to helping a rookie find his feet.
Oh fk no, that’s not logical
 

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Whoever that is running the in route on the top of screen at the 25 is wide open. But it's also pretty dumb to have two guys running in breaking routes that close to one another.
He cant in this O because he is a down the field QB trying to play with a shit OL. He would be able to succeed if he had an OL that allowed his aggressiveness to pay off more consistently.
Need players to make plays for him too. Have not seen that. You can circle this open receiver and that 1 in still shots but doesn’t paint the whole picture. The line is too often allowing immediate penetration and not only aren’t receivers making plays, they’re botching them. Need to find some rythm but just can’t get anything going.
 

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You said I was making an excuse for Fields, I told you to learn to read, and it should have ended there if you argued with any integrity.

You had no need to quote what entire sentence? The fuck are you even talking about, my first post? You did quote both sentences and you only commented on the second one.

I have idea what the last sentence above is in reference to.

You said running two routes together was dumb. You are now claiming I never took issue with your characterizarion of it being dumb earlier. I am telling you when I said you were nitpicking, it was in reference to you saying it was dumb to have 2 routes close together. I

This isn't a question of reading. I read what you said just fine but language is subject to interpretation and the whole point was whining about a play where 3 guys are open can be seen as trying to make excuses for Fields not throwing to any of them. People read into other people's comments all the time.
 

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in all honesty, their are quite a few on here who are already calling Lawrence a bust, and the Jags are shittier than the Bears imho.

Correct. Classic Bears fans. Other rookie QBs play like shit and they are busts. Our rookie QB plays like shit and it is everyone else's fault.
 

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What was the down? Looks like 3rd based on the defense, if he threw that and didn’t get the first down, you would bitch he didn’t find someone further down field! Crack me up

It was 1st and 10 at the 32 mate. Took a 12 yard sack making it 2nd and 22 at 44 instead of getting 4 or 5 yards and making it 2nd and 5 or 6.

Then took another 11 yard sack on the same drive on 3rd and 15 when at the 37 yo put us at the 48 and out of FG range. We could have kicked a FG if he had just got 5 yards on year sack.

So what's your excuse now?
 

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You are getting a very good QB, a GREAT man, a true leader.

Andy Dalton fits in very well with The City of Big Shoulders and how the world views the Chicago Bears franchise. Tough. Strong. Durable. Dependable. WINNER.

Andy is a hyper-accurate QB, primarily in the short to mid-ranges. He has a decent deep ball, not fantastic, but good. He sees the field. He knows the defenses. He is very smart.

He is a very good decision maker. He keeps mistakes to a minimum. He knows when to throw the ball away. He manages the game well.

What does he not do that well? He does not scramble very well. He is not an explosive runner. He is pretty fast, but has no wiggle. "Escapability" is not a strength. He is not a showboat kind of guy, and won't be flexing or screaming or talking trash (if you're looking for that kind thing).

His career at Cincinnati was mixed. It started off awesome. Carson Palmer basically quit the team and Dalton (fresh off of a Rose Bowl win for the TCU Horned Frogs over the Wisconsin Badgers) was thrown into the mix. He didn't even have the opportunity to be the starter in training camp. But he led the team to a winning season and a playoff appearance in his rookie year.

The first five years in Cincinnati were pretty great. He did great things for the franchise. While they went to the playoffs five times in a row under Dalton, he only played in four playoff games. He lost his big chance to win a playoff game in 2015 because he tore a ligament in his thumb right before the playoffs. A. J. McCarron lost that game. That was their best team and Andy's best chance. The first four playoff games were not great by Dalton, but really the team choked as a whole. You may remember that the Bengals were a really punky team in those days, and tons of personal fouls and rotten play, especially on defense, lost many of those games. Dalton played well in two of those games, played average in one, didn't play well in another, and again didn't get to play the fifth.

The next four seasons sucked. Dalton persevered, but the team fell apart. He had no offensive line protection, few good weapons, tons of injuries around him, and a freaking coaching carousel.

The ownership group is terrible in Cinci, and the management is worse. I think Dalton had a different offensive coordinator every year for five or more of his years there. Of course, the fans are also pretty rotten, and Dalton got little support from the carousel of coaches, the management, or the fans.

Despite all that, Dalton put together the longest playoff appearance streak in Bengals history, and holds most of their franchise QB records. He remained durable, consistent, and an altogether good to very good QB during his nine years there. On top of it all, Andy and his wife formed the Andy and JJ Dalton Foundation, and they dedicated significant amounts of time and money to helping families of sick children with their hospital bills and overall quality of life. The big thrust of the foundation is to give fun experiences, date nights, and other social boosts to those grieving families. They have improved tens of thousands of lives with that Foundation. It is truly remarkable, and unusually effective compared to most foundations you see out there. Really a first-rate outfit. Andy and his wife give sacrificially with their money. It's cool to watch.

Dalton's 10th season was with the Cowboys. He did pretty well, but as you know, most of the time he was "protected" by an offensive line made up of second and third teamers. I don't think he had the same line from week to week until near the end of the season. He had no time to throw, and the offensive coordinator Kellen Moore had to revamp the offense to change it to a quick-hitting offense, as Dalton typically had anywhere from 1.8 to 2.3 seconds to get the ball off.

The Head Coach of the Cowboys had nothing but good things to say about Dalton. Here's something cool: Apparently Dalton has kept notebooks of every single team and defensive coordinator he has faced in 10 years in the league. It is a treasure trove of information; schemes, plays that were effective, plays that were not effective, player breakdowns, coaching tendencies, everything. He approaches every game like he is a coach. Consummate professional, very diligent. Nobody works harder. First in the facility in the morning, last to leave.

If you will just give this guy a chance, and an offensive line to give him more than 2.3 seconds to throw the damned ball, Andy Dalton will deliver for you. He is a very good NFL QB, especially if he has a line to protect him. He is not Tom Brady, but he is light years better than Foles, Trubisky, or any of the other knuckleheads that you have been living with for the last 20 years in Chicago.

Last word: I am really excited that Andy is going to Chicago. I have liked the Bears since '85. I really love Chicago as a city. I live in Fort Worth and became a Dalton fan because of TCU. But I will be traveling up there to some games this year. The Bears are about to be the new favorite team in our household.

They don't make better people than the Dalton family. Give this guy a chance, some line protection, and some support, and he will make you proud.
 

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Correct. Classic Bears fans. Other rookie QBs play like shit and they are busts. Our rookie QB plays like shit and it is everyone else's fault.
Ido think in time they will both be good
 

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If one actually reads what's written in this case, not really. Because, you know, the first sentence should have told any normal reader that I thought Fields missed another open man.
perhaps the media should ask him why he misses open receivers. i'm just saying, the media could help point to this
 

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It was 1st and 10 at the 32 mate. Took a 12 yard sack making it 2nd and 22 at 44 instead of getting 4 or 5 yards and making it 2nd and 5 or 6.

Then took another 11 yard sack on the same drive on 3rd and 15 when at the 37 yo put us at the 48 and out of FG range. We could have kicked a FG if he had just got 5 yards on year sack.

So what's your excuse now?
Yep, my bad, I apologize for missing the sign that said 1111111 on the sideline. BTW, if he did get sacked on that play, with three wide open receivers and good pocket, I have to reevaluate my stance on the young man. That photo clearly points to an obvious lack of pulling the trigger.
 

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What's happening here?

It's obvious the coaches are idiots who can't count.

Then Justin compounds the problem with a bone headed throw.

Both things are true.
 

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