Bobby Peters - What Happened to Matt Nagy's Offense in 2019?

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Telling him to calm the fuck down when youre calling people fucking morons.

Calm down. After you get your ass handed to you in a legitimate debate. Calm down because you cant conjure up an intelligent rebuttal.
Lol what? Your whole “argument” is everybody but the QB is the problem.
 

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Lol what? Your whole “argument” is everybody but the QB is the problem.

No... you should learn how to read.

So we are clear and you can bookmark this going forward. Mitch has a few issues.

Reading defenses with 100% certainty is one of them. He gets it right better than 65% of the time which by NFL standards is a bit below average. 90 is elite. 75% is average. He stares down his best options which makes him miss reads.

Mitch isn't fast or explosive by nfl standards and cant just take off out of an RPO. He's slow getting out of first gear. Hes excellent and has great control at top speed. What you think is a run lane is a bait by the d lineman but Mitchell should work on his explosiveness. Fail

He's stresses on deep balls. This has more to do with his weapons than him. But I'll give it to the haters. He hasnt hit deep balls enough. Perfection is needed with the speed and size of his receiver but he has fsiled to be perfect so he has failed. Perfect speed, touch trajectory and height are needed. The only guy that could make a play is Robinson but throwing at 2 defenders deep is only going to draw criticism.

Whats not his fault. 2 practice squad TEs which he has little chemistry with. 2 backup offensive linemen on his right side. Worst blind side blocker in the league. 2 WRs that belong in the slot playing the Y position. The worst run blocking and running game in decades for the bears.

Most of all though a playcaller that knows all these things and instead of calling plays that best fit the banged up offense. You decide to plug them into the playbook as if they are just swapped players on the same level.

If Walter Payton gets a broken leg the guy backing him up isnt Walter Paytons healthy clone.

You have to adapt to the dropoff and unfamiliarity that comes with backups and practice squad players.
 

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No... you should learn how to read.

So we are clear and you can bookmark this going forward. Mitch has a few issues.

Reading defenses with 100% certainty is one of them. He gets it right better than 65% of the time which by NFL standards is a bit below average. 90 is elite. 75% is average. He stares down his best options which makes him miss reads.

Mitch isn't fast or explosive by nfl standards and cant just take off out of an RPO. He's slow getting out of first gear. Hes excellent and has great control at top speed. What you think is a run lane is a bait by the d lineman but Mitchell should work on his explosiveness. Fail

He's stresses on deep balls. This has more to do with his weapons than him. But I'll give it to the haters. He hasnt hit deep balls enough. Perfection is needed with the speed and size of his receiver but he has fsiled to be perfect so he has failed. Perfect speed, touch trajectory and height are needed. The only guy that could make a play is Robinson but throwing at 2 defenders deep is only going to draw criticism.

Whats not his fault. 2 practice squad TEs which he has little chemistry with. 2 backup offensive linemen on his right side. Worst blind side blocker in the league. 2 WRs that belong in the slot playing the Y position. The worst run blocking and running game in decades for the bears.

Most of all though a playcaller that knows all these things and instead of calling plays that best fit the banged up offense. You decide to plug them into the playbook as if they are just swapped players on the same level.

If Walter Payton gets a broken leg the guy backing him up isnt Walter Paytons healthy clone.

You have to adapt to the dropoff and unfamiliarity that comes with backups and practice squad players.
Too long.
 

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Yards per attempt goes down when 10 plats are called as WR screens you fucking idiot.

Those take the average backwards. Its literally a -1 yard or 0 yard pass

You cant be this dumb.
LOL! Oh yes he sure the fuck is.
 

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I am interested to know, take Mitch out of this situation and offense that is apparently not a fit for him and put him in the perfect scheme for his talents with a solid option at TE and WR and a good offensive line in front of him - Is Mitch good enough to lead elevate an average-above average group of players through the playoffs and to a Superbowl? Does he need to have a historically great defense like he did in 2018 just to get to the playoffs as well?

Everything was humming along really well in 2018 and we still got dusted in the first round. Injuries played a role and we may have gotten past the Eagles with a healthy Burton and Eddie Jackson but how much further were we going with Mitch? I don't think much more to be honest. So with a historically great defense and an average group around him, he wasn't good enough to elevate this team to a conference championship game let alone a Superbowl and he has looked like he has gotten worse in 2019.

He isn't good enough no matter what is around him. So you can say he didn't have help and that's probably true but in the end, he will never be good enough.
 

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I have seen this narrative before.

How many coaches and OC’s did we have to go through with Cutler before everyone finally realised that Cutler just doesn’t have what it takes?

How much money and resources did we put around Cutler only for him to produce no significant wins? Cutler had 4 pro bowlers for weapons at one stage and this team didn’t make the playoffs.

If the QB isn’t good, it doesn’t matter about anything else on the offensive side of the ball.

You focus way too much on the QB. Whether it's Trubisky or Cutler. And you appear to be one of these that thinks if you're not giving Trubisky direct criticism at all times, then what you're saying about other aspects of the offense is just a roundabout way to make excuses for Trubisky.

Bad coaches and OCs exist. And we've had a lot of them. Blaming any QB for a coach getting fired or a coach being unsuccessful, when there are clearly other problems is delusional. And saying that isn't defending Trubisky or Cutler. I have been vocal about replacing Trubisky, and I thought signing Cutler and letting McCown walk was a mistake.
 
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If the kicker would of made the kick we would of been able to find out the kid got us down there and time after time the kicker failed to do his job

This season as well not as much but still we all know its either Mitch going to get it right this season or hes gone fix and plug the holes get a QB if you can see what happens and if it all fails get your next QB next draft
 

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Not to mention the kid got us down the field and helped us score the winning drive only for the great D to let it up at the end for as good as they have been end of games and come backs is something they have allowed that just shouldnt happen
 

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Over the first 6 games of the regular season, the Tennessee Titans were in the same boat as the Bears. They had the unquestionably worst offensive line in the league, most sacks in the league. They had absolutely no offensive weapons to help Mariota. The coaching staff was being ripped to shreds for running an archaic offense that did not play to Mariota’s strengths.

THe moment the Titans switched QB’s, all of a sudden the offensive line became competent. Offensive players emerged and the play calling improved. Every facet of the offense was elevated with Ryan Tannehill under center.

Check out this article on the Titans after week 5 of the season and see if it sounds familiar...

The Titans offense is broken, and one change won’t fix it.

The Tennessee Titans offense is broken.

The unit was so abysmal in a 16-0 shutout loss to the Denver Broncos that it’s hard to pick who most deserves to be blamed for the terrible performance.

But we can certainly take a look at the candidates.

The Head Coach
The Titans offense should’ve seen this one coming, based on the attitude their head coach entered the week with.

“We didn’t make enough plays to help us but that’s not going to change how we approach next week,” Mike Vrabel said after the Titans’ Week 5 loss to the Bills. “We’re going to go back and prepare. We have to fix some mistakes and get them corrected.”



That lack of change became pretty evident as the Titans offense failed to score a single point against Denver. It was the worst that the unit has looked all season and among the worst offensive products that the Titans franchise has ever put on the field for a game.
Vrabel did ultimately make a quarterback change during the game, replacing Marcus Mariota with Ryan Tannehill following the offense’s first drive of the second half, but it was too little, too late.
When things are going as badly as they’ve gone for the Titans offense to start the season, change is necessary.
Yet, due to his propensity to see the potential of an ideal future instead of reality, Vrabel kept his approach the same.
Maybe an embarrassing loss will prompt him to take discernable actions to get things fixed.
The Offensive Line
The Titans spent $44 million on G Rodger Saffold and a third-round draft pick on G Nate Davis during the offseason. They also locked up C Ben Jones to a multiyear contract extension.
The results of those moves have been pretty tragic, which has had a major factor in the Titans offense being eternally stagnated.
The Titans’ offensive line has allowed 29 sacks through six games, and it’s honestly shocking that that number isn’t higher.
They’re on pace to allow the most sacks in NFL history during a single season, a record currently held by the inaugural Houston Texans team in 2002.
Saffold has been a liability, constantly looking like a shell of the version of himself that earned an All-Pro nod with the NFC-Champion Rams in 2018.
Davis probably shouldn’t be a starter this early into his NFL career, but the alternative option for the Titans, Jamil Douglas, is much, much worse.
LT Taylor Lewan has been okay since coming back from his 4-game suspension, but it’s hard for him to perform to the level he usually does when everything around him is falling apart.
The Play Caller
The man calling plays for the Titans offense, coordinator Arthur Smith, continues to turn in poor performances.
His inability to string together drives with quality play calls has hurt the Titans offense. A lot of his calls are head-scratchers.
For example, on a third-down early in the second quarter, Smith called a screen to RB Dion Lewis whereby he ran a jet motion out of the backfield, was thrown the ball and was immediately tackled by a swarm of Broncos defenders.
Plays like that just aren’t good enough in the NFL, and Smith continues to call them.
The Quarterback
Mariota had one of the worst games of his career against Denver. He was missing receivers right and left, throwing multiple inaccurate passes on screens to RB Derrick Henry and missing TE Delanie Walker on a third and short early in the game.
He also did something twice that he had not done in any of the Titans’ first five games: turn the football over. He threw two interceptions before being removed from the game, the second of which seemed to be his last straw.
Not a Good Outlook
The sheer amount of issue within the Titans offense—and there are plenty more than the ones listed here—make the unit virtually unfixable with a single move or even multiple moves throughout the season.
But just because the Titans may not be able to completely fix things, that doesn’t mean they can’t make them a little bit better.
To do that, change is required.
Would a permanent QB change do the trick? Probably not, but it could be worth a shot.
Would some shuffling on the offensive line do the trick? Probably not, but it could be worth a shot.
Would firing an assistant coach in hopes of waking up the team and try something new do the trick? Probably not, but it could be worth a shot.
Making a mid-game QB change was a start. It can’t be the end, too.
 

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Not sure why this isn't/wasn't brought up more. He Denny Green'd the Chargers game...right after your QB was starting to gain confidence(in which he had none in the season up to that point).

Nagy was brought in here to groom Trubisky. If the blame is put at the feet of the QB, it's inevitably the HC/GM's blunder more than anything. Although you could probably point more at the HC on gameday. It's his responsibility to put his player in a position to succeed.

Nagy Denny Green’d the CHargers game because only minutes earlier he witnessed Trubisky botch the infamous scat hank play. JT O’Sullivan broke down the play on his channel and said it’s such a simple and basic play that he’s never seen it run before in a regular season game, only by 4th string QB’s in the preseason...

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When Nagy can’t even confidently run the most basic play in his entire playbook, you gotta cut him at least a little slack for completely pussying out at the end of that game.

At the 5:00 mark...

 
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Over the first 6 games of the regular season, the Tennessee Titans were in the same boat as the Bears. They had the unquestionably worst offensive line in the league, most sacks in the league. They had absolutely no offensive weapons to help Mariota. The coaching staff was being ripped to shreds for running an archaic offense that did not play to Mariota’s strengths.

THe moment the Titans switched QB’s, all of a sudden the offensive line became competent. Offensive players emerged and the play calling improved. Every facet of the offense was elevated with Ryan Tannehill under center.

Check out this article on the Titans after week 5 of the season and see if it sounds familiar...
Problem is, we switched QB's as well and it was still shit. Granted ours was because of injury, but it was still shit.
 

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I am interested to know, take Mitch out of this situation and offense that is apparently not a fit for him and put him in the perfect scheme for his talents with a solid option at TE and WR and a good offensive line in front of him - Is Mitch good enough to lead elevate an average-above average group of players through the playoffs and to a Superbowl? Does he need to have a historically great defense like he did in 2018 just to get to the playoffs as well?

Everything was humming along really well in 2018 and we still got dusted in the first round. Injuries played a role and we may have gotten past the Eagles with a healthy Burton and Eddie Jackson but how much further were we going with Mitch? I don't think much more to be honest. So with a historically great defense and an average group around him, he wasn't good enough to elevate this team to a conference championship game let alone a Superbowl and he has looked like he has gotten worse in 2019.

He isn't good enough no matter what is around him. So you can say he didn't have help and that's probably true but in the end, he will never be good enough.

Tom Brady is a perfect example of how dumb your argument is.

Is Tom Brady done or does that offense suck without Gronk. Is his run game and WR situation not terrible? Are they giving him help?

No.

And with a #1 defense and the Goat did they waste that defense? No

They wasted a year of tom brady. Gordon and Brown messed it up.
 

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Bobby Peters sounds like a stupid name
 

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Nagy Denny Green’d the CHargers game because only minutes earlier he witnessed Trubisky botch the infamous scat hank play. JT O’Sullivan broke down the play on his channel and said it’s such a simple and basic play that he’s never seen it run before in a regular season game, only by 4th string QB’s in the preseason...

BkPOBX.gif


When Nagy can’t even confidently run the most basic play in his entire playbook, you gotta cut him at least a little slack for completely pussying out at the end of that game.

At the 5:00 mark...

I'm quite aware of that play...that doesn't absolve Nagy of losing the game by going into victory formation when you're losing.

That's a coaching issue.
 

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