Courtland Sutton and Allen Robinson

[playthrough2001]

Sutton signed an extension yesterday for 60.8 for four years with 34.9 guaranteed. That’s 15.2 per year but he does get 18 year one.

I don’t see how Robinson gets anywhere near 20 per season unless some GM absolutely loses his mind. At this point, I doubt bringing him back is worth it at anything much above this deal.

 

[iueyedoc]

AR is 88th in receptions and 83rd in yards Sutton is 44th and 28th and 2 years younger. Robinson gambled on foolish notion that he is a top 5 WR and threw craps. He will be looking for a 1 yr prove it deal or will sign for significantly less this off season.

 

[DaaBears]

AR is 88th in receptions and 83rd in yards Sutton is 44th and 28th and 2 years younger. Robinson gambled on foolish notion that he is a top 5 WR and threw craps. He will be looking for a 1 yr prove it deal or will sign for significantly less this off season.

Yes, the Bears have absolutely ruined ARob's career.

 

[r1terrell23]

Yes, the Bears have absolutely ruined ARob's career.

Yep it is why I think he is leaking to the media what is going on in the locker room. I'd be pissed at Matt Nagy and this org too.

 

[msadows]

Can't really compare sutton to arob right now.

Arob is a much much more proven commodity who isn't coming off a terrible knee injury last year.

I love sutton, but that contract is a major gamble for them as well.

Arobs value is at an all time low, you would hope that he actually showed some signs of life going forward...but nah, gimme Gallup on the cheap.

 

[Nelly]

Assuming Robinson could only command about what Sutton got, should we retain him at that?

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Assuming Robinson could only command about what Sutton got, should we retain him at that?

If you’d asked me before the season, absolutely. I don’t know now, he’s really fallen off but this offense is complete shit. It feels like they are trying to feature Mooney, I don’t get it.

Fields also isn’t stupid with the ball mostly, Robinson isn’t a guy who gets a ton of separation.

 

[mattb78]

A-Rob hasn't helped his chances of being called elite by dropping some very catchable passes the last two seasons.

He has never gotten elite separation. Not demonstrating elite hands over the last 2 years is going to hurt him. I still see him getting a nice contract but probably very close to what Bears were offering.

 

[playthrough2001]

Can't really compare sutton to arob right now.

Arob is a much much more proven commodity who isn't coming off a terrible knee injury last year.

I love sutton, but that contract is a major gamble for them as well.

Arobs value is at an all time low, you would hope that he actually showed some signs of life going forward...but nah, gimme Gallup on the cheap.

I would take Sutton over Robinson every day of the week. When the Bears signed Robinson he was recovering from an ACL tear too.

Robinson is older than Sutton and certainly hasn’t lit the league on fire over the last two seasons. This deal would be the absolute ceiling for a Robinson contract.

 

[msadows]

I would take Sutton over Robinson every day of the week. When the Bears signed Robinson he was recovering from an ACL tear too.

Robinson is older than Sutton and certainly hasn’t lit the league on fire over the last two seasons. This deal would be the absolute ceiling for a Robinson contract.

Yea, but no.

Outside of this season robinson has been the player that Sutton HOPES to one day be.

 

[msadows]

Assuming Robinson could only command about what Sutton got, should we retain him at that?

Right now absolutely not. His value has tanked and there is plenty of tape to evidence that.

He also has been fucked by a terrible situation, which is partially out of his control.

My guess, as stated previously on here by others, is he signs a 1year deal with a contender to try to skyrocket his stock before he hits 30.

 

[playthrough2001]

Yea, but no.

Outside of this season robinson has been the player that Sutton HOPES to one day be.

You don’t sign players based on what they’ve done in the past. It should always be a forward projection. Robinson hasn’t done anything in a season and a half and he’s older. I’d take Sutton hands down and certainly wouldn’t pay Robinson a penny more than this contract.

 

[Starion]

Yet another reason to shitcan Nagy ASAP...see what ARob can do with any sort of reasonable OC & QB play. Hell, even Dalton is probably on par or better than what he's seen in his career. Should finish out the year with 100yrd games again if so.


Very unlikely, but if this happens and the right new coach comes along, he could stay on a 1 year prove it deal?? If Pace is around, he might overpay market value to make it worth his while ?


Default option is ARob earns a 3rd Rd comp pick, maybe 4th - IDK the contract #s needed for each.

 

[dennehy]

Yet another reason to shitcan Nagy ASAP...see what ARob can do with any sort of reasonable OC & QB play. Hell, even Dalton is probably on par or better than what he's seen in his career. Should finish out the year with 100yrd games again if so.


Very unlikely, but if this happens and the right new coach comes along, he could stay on a 1 year prove it deal?? If Pace is around, he might overpay market value to make it worth his while ?


Default option is ARob earns a 3rd Rd comp pick, maybe 4th - IDK the contract #s needed for each.

Bears are very unlikely to get a comp pick for Arob unless they sign very few free agents.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

If you’d asked me before the season, absolutely. I don’t know now, he’s really fallen off but this offense is complete shit. It feels like they are trying to feature Mooney, I don’t get it.

Fields also isn’t stupid with the ball mostly, Robinson isn’t a guy who gets a ton of separation.

Dude is tied for the 2nd-worst league average separation with 1.9.

 

[Pegger]

Sutton signed a 4 year, 60.8M deal (34.9M guaranteed).
This past cap strapped offseason an also 28 year old Kenny Golladay signed a 4 year, $76M deal with $40 guaranteed.

Golladay is currently the 7th highest paid WR and Sutton will be 16th, so let's not pretend they are the top end of the WR market.

I know he's a bit older that Sutton and not as big, but personally I think Robinson is the better WR. I've posted all their stats below. There's no question that ARob has done it better and been more consistent.

	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2014	21	JAX	wr	15	10	8	81	48	548	11.4	2	26	54	4.8	54.8	59.3%	6.8									48	11.4	548	2	0	3
2015*	22	JAX	WR	15	16	16	151	80	1400	17.5	14	61	90	5.0	87.5	53.0%	9.3									80	17.5	1400	14	0	11
2016	23	JAX	WR	15	16	16	151	73	883	12.1	6	51	42	4.6	55.2	48.3%	5.8									73	12.1	883	6	1	6
2017	24	JAX		15	1	1	1	1	17	17.0	0	1	17	1.0	17.0	100.0%	17.0									1	17.0	17	0	0	0
2018	25	CHI	WR	12	13	12	94	55	754	13.7	4	41	43	4.2	58.0	58.5%	8.0	1	9	0	0	9	9.0	0.7	0.1	56	13.6	763	4	1	7
2019	26	CHI	WR	12	16	15	154	98	1147	11.7	7	63	49	6.1	71.7	63.6%	7.4	1	2	0	0	2	2.0	0.1	0.1	99	11.6	1149	7	0	9
2020	27	CHI	WR	12	16	16	151	102	1250	12.3	6	68	42	6.4	78.1	67.5%	8.3	1	-1	0	0	-1	-1.0	-0.1	0.1	103	12.1	1249	6	0	11
2021	28	CHI	wr	12	9	9	50	30	339	11.3	1	17	39	3.3	37.7	60.0%	6.8									30	11.3	339	1	0
Career				97	93	833	487	6338	13.0	40	328	90	5.0	65.3	58.5%	7.6	3	10	0	0	9	3.3	0.1	0.0	490	13.0	6348	40	2	47
4 yrs	CHI			54	52	449	285	3490	12.2	18	189	49	5.3	64.6	63.5%	7.8	3	10	0	0	9	3.3	0.2	0.1	288	12.2	3500	18	1	27
4 yrs	JAX			43	41	384	202	2848	14.1	22	139	90	4.7	66.2	52.6%	7.4									202	14.1	2848	22	1	20

	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2017	24	DET	wr	19	11	5	48	28	477	17.0	3	18	54	2.5	43.4	58.3%	9.9	1	9	0	0	9	9.0	0.8	0.1	29	16.8	486	3	0	4
2018	25	DET	WR	19	15	13	119	70	1063	15.2	5	55	60	4.7	70.9	58.8%	8.9	1	8	0	0	8	8.0	0.5	0.1	71	15.1	1071	5	1	8
2019*	26	DET	WR	19	16	16	116	65	1190	18.3	11	52	75	4.1	74.4	56.0%	10.3									65	18.3	1190	11	1	9
2020	27	DET	WR	19	5	5	32	20	338	16.9	2	16	48	4.0	67.6	62.5%	10.6									20	16.9	338	2	0	3
2021	28	NYG	wr	19	7	7	34	20	322	16.1	0	17	28	2.9	46.0	58.8%	9.5									20	16.1	322	0	0
Career				54	46	349	203	3390	16.7	21	158	75	3.8	62.8	58.2%	9.7	2	17	0	0	9	8.5	0.3	0.0	205	16.6	3407	21	2	24
4 yrs	DET			47	39	315	183	3068	16.8	21	141	75	3.9	65.3	58.1%	9.7	2	17	0	0	9	8.5	0.4	0.0	185	16.7	3085	21	2	24
1 yr	NYG			7	7	34	20	322	16.1	0	17	28	2.9	46.0	58.8%	9.5									20	16.1	322	0	0

	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2018	23	DEN	wr	14	16	9	84	42	704	16.8	4	30	42	2.6	44.0	50.0%	8.4	1	-1	0	0	-1	-1.0	-0.1	0.1	43	16.3	703	4	0	5
2019*	24	DEN	WR	14	16	14	124	72	1112	15.4	6	50	70	4.5	69.5	58.1%	9.0	3	17	0	1	9	5.7	1.1	0.2	75	15.1	1129	6	2	9
2020	25	DEN		14	1	1	6	3	66	22.0	0	2	45	3.0	66.0	50.0%	11.0									3	22.0	66	0	0	0
2021	26	DEN	wr	14	10	10	67	43	617	14.3	2	28	55	4.3	61.7	64.2%	9.2									43	14.3	617	2	0
Career				43	34	281	160	2499	15.6	12	110	70	3.7	58.1	56.9%	8.9	4	16	0	1	9	4.0	0.4	0.1	164	15.3	2515	12	2	14

 

[Chicago4Life]

bye bye robinson, he is not going to get a 2nd franchise tag and i can see the bears giving him an even lower offer given this season so i assume he'll walk and bears wont even get a comp pick because it'll likely be a 1yr prove it deal...never really thought he was worth 20 a season...

 

[remydat]

Yes, the Bears have absolutely ruined ARob's career.

More like shitty Bears QBs made him think he was an elite WR because they force fed him the ball. Good QBs spread the ball around.

 

[DaaBears]

More like shitty Bears QBs made him think he was an elite WR because they force fed him the ball. Good QBs spread the ball around.

Lol

 

[baselman1974]

The lack of separation and dropping catchable passes has bitten Robinson the last 2 seasons. Also I believe he is not going hard due to 1 year deal. Now either we will see improvement due to losing a bigger contract or he truly has lost a step.