Curious what people's issue is with Dan Quinn?

[abegibronlives]

I've seen a lot of negative on the guy. I believe he had three years of winning records including a Super bowl appearance with Atlanta, his first year was eight and eight, and his last 3 years sucked before being fired when Atlanta went O and five.

But around the time Atlanta started sinking, didn't their general manager just do really horribly in the drafts?

So I want to ask, other than Quinn not being the sexy pick, what are people's issues with him?

I wouldn't have a problem with him.

I'm guessing most people's reservations can be summed up in one word: Atlanta.

That did not end well. Whether it was his fault or not, it's on his resume.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

He's responding to someone saying the HC needs to be offensive minded, but Buffalo has a defensive HC and has developed Allen.

Yeah and I'm saying without that offensive coordinator (who is going to be a head coach somewhere this offseason), they wouldn't even had a chance to win. Their defensive head coach did nothing to stop the Chiefs so what use is it going that route if the only reason they're in the game is the offensive coordinator? I'd rather hire the offensive coordinator of the Bills to be the head coach and not have to be reliant on making a good coordinator hire every season or two.

 

[remydat]

Yeah and I'm saying without that offensive coordinator (who is going to be a head coach somewhere this offseason), they wouldn't even had a chance to win. Their defensive head coach did nothing to stop the Chiefs so what use is it going that route if the only reason they're in the game is the offensive coordinator? I'd rather hire the offensive coordinator of the Bills to be the head coach and not have to be reliant on making a good coordinator hire every season or two.

Their Defensive HC gave a shit OC, the chance to work with Allen. McDermott made Daboll not the other way arounf as Daboll was a largely failed OC before McDermott gave him a shot.

 

[circusboy666]

I don’t find any of these guys much of an upgrade over Nagy. None of them have proven enough to me. Why bring in another average coach. Go spend the money and get it done.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Their Defensive HC gave a shit OC, the chance to work with Allen. McDermott made Daboll not the other way arounf as Daboll was a largely failed OC before McDermott gave him a shot.

Yeah, he was a failed OC along with terrible QBs who did nothing anywhere else before or after him. They drafted a raw prospect in Allen, learned what he could do in year 1 then built the offense around him while upgrading the weapons the following 3 seasons. As they got better pieces, they got became more and more successful on offense. There's a template there.

In the biggest game of their lives, Daboll's unit went toe to toe with Andy Reid and his hall of fame bound QB and should've won the game. They gave the defense the lead with 13 seconds left and the defensive HC's unit couldn't get a stop with the best unit in football. Then in overtime, they got torched again and didn't even give their offense a chance. Offense wins championships in today's game.

 

[PrideisBears]

Quinn is a defensive specialist but his defense sucks ass. He goes away from what is working constantly, his time management is trash, he sucks at challenges and he was carried by Kyle shanahann

 

[remydat]

Yeah, he was a failed OC along with terrible QBs who did nothing anywhere else before or after him. They drafted a raw prospect in Allen, learned what he could do in year 1 then built the offense around him while upgrading the weapons the following 3 seasons. As they got better pieces, they got became more and more successful on offense. There's a template there.

In the biggest game of their lives, Daboll's unit went toe to toe with Andy Reid and his hall of fame bound QB and should've won the game. They gave the defense the lead with 13 seconds left and the defensive HC's unit couldn't get a stop with the best unit in football. Then in overtime, they got torched again and didn't even give their offense a chance. Offense wins championships in today's game.

Yes but the point is McDermott is responsible for the O because he hired Daboll who was far from a no brainer. The Bills are proof that a non-OC can still build a top O.

 

[Bigfoot]

Well whoever wow George and Ted, hope their Rolodex has Ken Dorsey in it.

 

[PrideisBears]

He had the number one defense back to back in Seattle.

But not as a HC

 

[modo]

I've seen a lot of negative on the guy. I believe he had three years of winning records including a Super bowl appearance with Atlanta, his first year was eight and eight, and his last 3 years sucked before being fired when Atlanta went O and five.

But around the time Atlanta started sinking, didn't their general manager just do really horribly in the drafts?

So I want to ask, other than Quinn not being the sexy pick, what are people's issues with him?

He's had two winning seasons out of 6....he never developed talent to sustain his team. He was more a flash in the pan.

I don't like his long term or short term prospects...he basically was handed most of the talent to get him to the playoffs and then dropped like a rock.

 

[Rise]

He had the number one defense back to back in Seattle.

Are we hiring a DC or a HC? I’m looking at what he did as a HC.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

But not as a HC

Yes, Seattle is not Atlanta. ?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Are we hiring a DC or a HC? I’m looking at what he did as a HC.

You said Shanahan made him…. Pointing out that’s false or he wouldn’t have got a HC job is all.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

He had the number one defense back to back in Seattle.

I don’t think anyone would complain about Quinn as a DC. He has a great reputation as a DC. In one season with the cowboys he turned them from the 28th ranked (2020) to the 7th ranked. However, his reputation as a HC is different.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Yes but the point is McDermott is responsible for the O because he hired Daboll who was far from a no brainer. The Bills are proof that a non-OC can still build a top O.

Yeah, it can work. If that's the route the Bears go, I certainly hope like hell they're able to find an elite offensive coordinator. I'd rather take that question of finding an elite offensive mind out of the equation by hiring Daboll and then go find a good to great defensive coordinator.

As we saw yesterday, the elite offense in the league put up 42 points against the elite defense in the league. They basically got nothing out of their defense yesterday and they were the best defense in the league. To me, that shows that having an elite offense is more valuable than an elite defense in today's game which is why I prefer going with Daboll.

If they go with a defensive minded head coach, I'll be disappointed but I won't let that disappointment stop me from giving the new head coach and regime a fair chance. I'll happily eat crow too if they win big with that defensive minded coach too and hope they win big and make me look like the idiot I am. I just think with all the rule changes always favoring the offense that I'd go with the best offensive mind available and build from there.

 

[PrideisBears]

You said Shanahan made him…. Pointing out that’s false or he wouldn’t have got a HC job is all.

He made him while he was a HC in ATL. I believe his record was already shown without Shanny

 

[remydat]

Yeah, it can work. If that's the route the Bears go, I certainly hope like hell they're able to find an elite offensive coordinator. I'd rather take that question of finding an elite offensive mind out of the equation by hiring Daboll and then go find a good to great defensive coordinator.

As we saw yesterday, the elite offense in the league put up 42 points against the elite defense in the league. They basically got nothing out of their defense yesterday and they were the best defense in the league. To me, that shows that having an elite offense is more valuable than an elite defense in today's game which is why I prefer going with Daboll.

If they go with a defensive minded head coach, I'll be disappointed but I won't let that disappointment stop me from giving the new head coach and regime a fair chance. I'll happily eat crow too if they win big with that defensive minded coach too and hope they win big and make me look like the idiot I am. I just think with all the rule changes always favoring the offense that I'd go with the best offensive mind available and build from there.

And yet the Niners shut down an elite O in the Pack. Cant just cherry pick one game.

We dont know who these Defensive HC have in mind for OC so it is premature to complain. I presume part of the interview is aimed at find that out so perhaps the Bears are comfortable with the Quinn's oe Eberflus's of the world because they are bringing with them good OCs.

Hell it is also possible that said defensive HCs have already broken down what they perceive as Fields'strengths and weaknesses and already formulated a development plan as you cant be a good DC if you dont know how to disagnose the strengths and weaknesses of the opposing QB.

So perhaps we should just chill and let the process unfold.

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1485737641274343424

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

He made him while he was a HC in ATL. I believe his record was already shown without Shanny

Two years. They were together for two years. That doesn’t “make” anyones career.

 

[remydat]

He made him while he was a HC in ATL. I believe his record was already shown without Shanny

Kyle Shanny looked like a nepotism hire before Quinn brought him to Atl. He got run out of town with his daddy in Wash and had a bottom tier O with the Browns. Quinn made Shanny by giving him a chance to work with elite talent.

Yall acting like guys like Daboll and Shanny had top offenses before McDermott and Quinn gave them a shot.