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Now how much of that pressure is created by holding the ball?
Thanks for laying it all out remy. Great post.Let me start off by saying this team is not very talented and will need massive improvement at OL and WR going forward. Let me also say the focus of this post is not to say Fields is a bust. It is to point out what incremental improvements he needs to make over the last 13 games.
Mills is 2nd in the NFL with 2.42 time to throw. Lawrence is 3rd with 2.46. Highly mobile Kyler Murray is 4th with 2.51. Justin Fields is last in NFL with 3.40. There is no QB that has ever been successful with that time to throw not even Lamar. The dude takes almost a full second longer than Mills and Lawrence to get rid of the ball. It isn't sustainable in the modern NFL.
Now is part of that WRs not getting open sure. But looking at the film a lot of that is Fields not throwing to guys who are open underneath. Fields air yards per attempt is 5th in the NFL. His completion percent adjusted for drops is last in NFL at 59.7%. This isn't rocket science. If you are throwing further down the Field but being unsuccessful with it then the solution is to throw it shorter particularly if those guys are open. Take the checkdown. Stop trying to be a hero and win the game yourself.
Fields has the highest percentage of pressure that turns into sacks at 32%. His pocket awareness is terrible. There are times he clearly can step up or scramble one way but choses to scramble the other way and runs himself into a sack. This is born out by the fact that Fields is 2nd in the NFL with respects to sacks where the QB is deemed to be responsble for his own sack. He is first in the NFL in total pressures that are the QBs fault. Finally he is 2nd in terms of percentage of total pressures that is the QBs fault ie 27%. You know who leads or is 2nd in those categories? Mental Midget Mitch.
In short, Fields has issues beyond the protection and the WRs. He has the highest time to throw of any QB by a wide margin which is evidence he is holding the ball way too long. This is backed up by his air yards per pass which is top 5 and the fact he is judged to have caused the highest percentage of his sacks and pressures other than 3M. He can improve these things regardless of the OL amd WR. So I dont care about the passing yards and TDs. What I want to see from Fields is the following:
1. Time to throw dropping below 3 seconds to around 2.75. To achieve that he needs to:
2. Take the fucking checkdown. It is not sexy but it works. Josh Allen went from leading the NFL in air yards per attempt to being 28th this year. He became elite by realizing the checkdown is your friend as a big game hunter. Work the underneath game and attack deep when the D starts to crowd the underneath stuff.
3. Throw or scramble at end of drop. Period. There is no more waiting and hoping something deeper develops. You either throw it to someone or get out of the fucking pocket. He is creating 27% of the pressure against him holding the ball too long and it has to stop.
You survive in the NFL by stacking positive plays however small. Fields needs to embrace this idea or he will not survive and embracing this has fuck all to do with Getsy, the OL or WRs. He has to committ to it. Not anyone else.
Sorry yes typed 12 meant 21Do you mean 21 and 11 ie RB/FB (21) and 2 TEs (12). 11 is 3 WRs where he seems to struggle more.
And yes he is better in the heavier sets as I have argued for Getsy to run 21 and 11 majority of time.
that "kid" is a grown ass man and would literally beat the **** out of your old assI saw a kid making some very impressive throws in limited opportunities and made some very impressive runs including running out of leg tackles and being able to juke the defender to escape containment. He missed a few touch passes but I saw the best quarterback in football , Mahomes, miss a few of those also.
I predicted pretty much the improved numbers for Fields. he is learning and improving. I think that gradually his receivers and TEs are going to improve also. And, hopefully, the coaching staff will improve also and begin to do better than they did in the 4th quarter of yesterday's game. Baby Steps.
Fields gives incredibly detailed descriptions of what he saw and what he was reading when asked specific questions on his decision making.
Now he has to take that knowledge and condense it into an acceptable NFL timeframe and start making on-schedule throws.
This guy is so much smarter than Mitch and he seems like he’s all business.
I refuse to criticize him at this point, but I acknowledge I’m not happy with his play.
Sorry yes typed 12 meant 21
Your claim was that they didnt have checkdowns. They did. Whether you think the checkdown was open is irrelevant.
He can complete that pass, whether Herbert beats the guy one on one after the catch isnt the point. Let your receivers earn their pay checks by getting YAC. If they dont then that is on them not you.
This thread is about Field's development. Feel free to set up your own thread if you wish to talk about coaching, the OL. You question is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
Feel free to set up your own thread if you wish to talk about coaching, the OL. You question is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
1st scramble he could have thrown to Herbert in the flat and let Herbert beat his man.
2nd scramble, Kmet comes open underneath. He has pressure but if threw this with anticipation he could have hit Kmet.
2nd pass - Kmet is going to come open underneath but he throws into double coverage in end zone.
4th pass - tipped as can't get it around defender.
3rd scramble - Had Kmet in flat but because of the previous tip he doesn't throw and tries to scramble instead.
3rd Pass - Ebner lined up top of screen and cuts inside and is wide open and Fields doesnt pull trigger.
I will stop here. Go watch the film above. He misses numerous guys underneath. Sorry.
If you think that :21 is a collapsing pocket then no wonder your blaming the OL for everything.. You might want to turn up your volume and listen to the announcer comment that he had "all day" news flash when he takes about 4 seconds before he runs.. thats "all day" in the NFL..run and shoot said:
I'm watching the vid now. @0:21 the backer is on Herbert in the flat. And then as usual, #70 Jones is getting beat.
I'm going to review the other plays. Also please answer the question about the proper way to count down setting up in a non collapsing pocket.
Yeah he gets it to Hebert if the pocket is not collapsing. You dodged that aspect. Please watch @0:21 again and analyze
the collapsing.
Hopefully? New fan?Our plan for fields should be to stick with him and his suck ones until we can draft arch manning. Hopefully we are that bad in 3-4 years.
We are never the number 1 pick bad. We need to be better at being horrible.Hopefully? New fan?
If you think that :21 is a collapsing pocket then no wonder your blaming the OL for everything.. You might want to turn up your volume and listen to the announcer comment that he had "all day" news flash when he takes about 4 seconds before he runs.. thats "all day" in the NFL..
Now how much of that pressure is created by holding the ball?
Brady had 400 yards in 20 min and got blown out yesterday,And starting to get defensive in press conferences too which is never a good sign.
“who says the passing game isn’t working? “. REALLY?
What does that have to do with the Bears?Brady had 400 yards in 20 min and got blown out yesterday,
youtube has a timestamp you dont need to count anythingYep....I heard the announcer.
Ok...so by my count down, he was in pocket for 2 seconds maybe 3seconds. He looked at #88 covered. Then watch #70 Jones.....he couldn't hold off the defender everyone else held their blocks. JF is flushed left. I can't see the routes down
field, so I don't know if someone was open or not. But I gotta tell ya, I don't like the constant shotgun usage.
youtube has a timestamp you dont need to count anything
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