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If Rodgers ever found a way to stop being a douchebag, and take a less paying contract, think of all the rings he might have??
Fields gets the least amount of help when it comes to rookie QBs
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I was just having the same conversation yesterday at work with a pig fucking wisconsin colleague!
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I feel that you're either looking at stats or you're not. And if you are, there is no backing out or adding in as every QB sometimes gets hurt by things and helped by things, it all evens out.
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There's definitely the argument that a good defense can be great when aided by a top-tier offense. Most teams with a great defense/sub par offense don't do much in the playoffs(see 2018 Bears). The Bears need to collectively put their resources into the offensive side of the ball.
The Bears D could've been great this year, but when they're on the field 40 minutes, you're destined for players to start having hammy injuries. The coaching staff fucked up the year, going all the way back to training camp. Why they gave all the 1st string reps to Dalton knowing that you traded up to pick a QB is almost as bad as that trade for Mirer.
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See (or don't because I wouldn't want you good folks to waste your time. ) his posts slobbering Stan Blowman's knob on the Shitbirds Hockey forum.
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Halftime does suck at his posting and trolling, but please just cool it with the anti-LGBT remarks.
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I can't figure out why Dalton had more than ONE HUNDRED more passing yards(Wow. Amazing. Fantastic. UNREAL.) than Fields here. It must be because he's just an objectively better football player. It has to be. There is no other possible explanation.
I wonder if the fact that we had 39 rushes for 188 yards in the the first game against the Lions, and 29 rushes for 68 yards against the Lions in the second game has anything to do with it? Did Dalton throw 20 more passes? Is that what my eyes are telling me?
This passing yards thing is so stupid. Rofl. Everyone else gets it, right? If we're talking about objectivity, harping on Fields' passing yards is objectively stupid, right? ?
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Like I said before, I just put the stats that everybody looks at the most. I really don't care. For me personally I would be more concerned with time of possession and turnovers. And I certainly don't give a shit about long passes. Means nothing to me except it brings your time of possession down, but hopefully score points. To me, scoring 22 points a game with a high TOP and a great defense will put you in the mix every year.
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That was really more for Rainbow's dumb ass.
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Unfortunately we have neither now
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I expected cherry picked stats from others
However if you want to go there
Lions: bottom 5 defense in the league
Fields: average 12 yards per throw and 24 points
Dalton: 5 yards per throw and 16 points
It's fun how cherry picking can go both ways. I've mostly tried to stay away from the Fields vs Dalton against the Lions narrative (as easy as it is) because it's the Lions and none of us should be shocked that Fields was so efficient in that game and that the running game was also marginally better due to Fields' presence alone.
But hey, Andy got the dub on thanksgiving with 300 passing yards and beating the Lions by 2 points lol
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For reference
Fields' highlights against the Lions week 4 in his 3rd ever start:
I couldn't really find an Andy Dalton vs the Lions highlight video on YouTube for some strange reason. But here's the general Bears vs Lions Turkey Day highlights if you'd like to reference Dalton's subpar play. This comes after a full offseason with the 1's and during the middle of the season
Heck maybe even watch ever carry by Khalil Herbert against the Packers in week 6 and tell me with a straight face that he would have been running that free with Andy Dalton lol
Let me know if you have any questions.
Edit** Welp, I guess you'll need to use the YouTubes all by yourself.
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For reference
Fields' highlights against the Lions week 4 in his 3rd ever start:
I couldn't really find an Andy Dalton vs the Lions highlight video on YouTube for some strange reason. But here's the general Bears vs Lions Turkey Day highlights if you'd like to reference Dalton's subpar play. This comes after a full offseason with the 1's and during the middle of the season
Heck maybe even watch ever carry by Khalil Herbert against the Packers in week 6 and tell me with a straight face that he would have been running that free with Andy Dalton lol
Let me know if you have any questions.
Edit** Welp, I guess you'll need to use the YouTubes all by yourself.
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Question,: Why do you think it's Dalton versus Fields?
Because none of us are claiming that. Dalton is an old, backup QB. And Fields hasn't been any better. Try comparing Fields to Murray, Watson, Herbert, Mayfield in their 1st year on shit teams.
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Totally agree.
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This is like watching a calvinist minister fucking a swiffer
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Can't wait until they extend Pace.
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Well if you see Murray's constant progression over 3 seasons, you would see why we're taking a wait and give it time approach. Not calling him a bust straight away
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But it all doesn't even out. If that were true there wouldn't be such a huge disparity in the help that say Mac Jones gets and the help Fields gets per the OP.
There is really no concept in the reality where it all evens out. Luck whether good or bad is quite random so by definition it doesn't even out.
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Well then you should be in the category as per the first sentence of someone that does not look at stats. If you are going to look at stats and pick and choose if and when the stats are invalid because of the situation one is compared to the other, you are turning stats from objective to subjective based on your opinion.
It's for that reason that I give no validity to PFF. That takes a subjective opinion play by play and assigns it a number making it look objective when it is anything but that.
