Floyd to ILB

[truthbedamned]

Was listening to WSCR yesterday in the car and Hub and Anthony Herron were discussing the linebacker situation and came up with an interesting idea. Herron stated that Leonard Floyd played ILB at Georgia and he is basically playing out of position. The claim by both Herron and Hub was that Floyd was never a guy that was going to be a success at rushing the QB and the Bears never should have put him there. Their suggestion was to let both Kwait and Danny T go and move Loyd to the inside and let KPL take the outside spot.

Thoughts?

 

[baselman1974]

For 13 million for one year where trevathan and kwik would cost like maybe 6-7 million a year?
I would let Floyd go and sign one of the other lbs.

 

[legendxofxlink]

A more expensive Shae McClellin... Thanks Pace

 

[TL1961]

Was listening to WSCR yesterday in the car and Hub and Anthony Herron were discussing the linebacker situation and came up with an interesting idea. Herron stated that Leonard Floyd played ILB at Georgia and he is basically playing out of position. The claim by both Herron and Hub was that Floyd was never a guy that was going to be a success at rushing the QB and the Bears never should have put him there. Their suggestion was to let both Kwait and Danny T go and move Loyd to the inside and let KPL take the outside spot.

Thoughts?

He's going to replace both ILBs? He must be good!

 

[dennehy]

He's not an ILB in a 3-4, I think he's more of a SAM in a 4-3. I'd use him the way that Buffalo used Lorenzo Alexander over the last few years, kinda a jack of a trades but mostly off the ball. There's no evidence that KPL could play edge at all. He's the size and has the game of an off ball player only.

 

[HeHateMe]

*LOID

 

[Midway Fields]

His tall scrawny ass playing inside would be comical. He plays with zero physicality. The narrative when he came out of Georgia was he was playing out of position inside because they needed him there. And he had untapped potential rushing the passer full time.

Then you add the $13 mil price tag and having him play middle is laughable.

The best move is to cut him, re-sign Kwit, and sign someone like Ryan Kerrigan or another free agent.

 

[gilder121]

About the same build.

 

[truthbedamned]

He's going to replace both ILBs? He must be good!

Ever heard the name Roquan Smith? Last I heard he still plays for the Bears.

 

[PrideisBears]

Floyd's time is done here. To me it seems Georgia made him a ILB because his inability to get to the QB. He was brought in here to rush the QB and has failed doing that as well. Time to cut our losses

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Floyd's time is done here. To me it seems Georgia made him a ILB because his inability to get to the QB. He was brought in here to rush the QB and has failed doing that as well. Time to cut our losses

Didn't he have only 4 sacks his last year in college? Nice going, Pace. Lets draft a pass rusher who struggled in college to do the exact thing you need them to do in the NFL.

 

[hebs]

KPL is the same size and speed as Roquan. He’ll be playing inside long before outside. His knock coming out was his size, though now he looks jacked. He could be a diamond in the rough.
I think he can replace Nick if they let him and Danny go. (Though I think they need to keep one of those two)

 

[jive]

Floyd doesn't have the strength or burst at the point of attack to be a great pass rusher. He plays the run fairly well, and is a good pass defender. He would probably make a decent MLB in a 4-3 Cover 2 scheme since he has sideline-to-sideline speed to defend the run, and has the length and speed to handle the deep middle in pass coverage. Too bad that's not the defense we play.

Floyd can get QB pressures, which I think is why he has been able to hold a job and give a glimmer of hope. But, he can't seem to close the deal. Unfortunately, he's paid like he's a guy that does. I pretty certain he can thrive elsewhere, but not here. I wonder if he'd be worth anything substantial in trade.

 

[msadows]

Didn't he have only 4 sacks his last year in college? Nice going, Pace. Lets draft a pass rusher who struggled in college to do the exact thing you need them to do in the NFL.

I literally hate every time I have to defend the floyd pick.

Heading into the 2016 draft, the biggest need was Edge rusher and CB.

The top 4 prospects at the position floyd was picked at, at the biggest position of need, were:

Floyd
Shaq Lawson
Vernon Hargreaves
Eli Apple(Who the giants drafted after we moved up to draft floyd...who they wanted).

Those 3 players after, all failed as well. Harder than floyd.

All I'm saying is it was pretty much a lose/lose for pace. He picked the best player and he still failed.

 

[coolio]

Yeah my only problem with the Floyd pick is if Pace was going to be aggressive he should have been aggressive for Jalen Ramsey

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

I literally hate every time I have to defend the floyd pick.

Probably because your reasoning is completely flawed.

You defend it by using media rankings for other players available and graded as near the spot where Pace picked and who did worse than Floyd.

You keep forgetting that there were better players later in the round that Pace could have gotten including Tyreek Hill!

But I get it, perceived value matters too and even if he wanted defense he could have picked Yannick Ngakoue for the DL or Deion Jones before ATL takes him later or Sheldon Rankin and hit a home run there.

You seem to always forget that GMs do NOT have to follow consensus draft rankings by media. If any GM were handcuffed to the media rankings, then anyone of US could literally be GMs on draft day and that is laughable.

 

[Bearly]

Floyd was always going to be a system guy, it seemed Fangio liked him alot and it was his turn for a top pick if Pace couldn't get his QB. It's not just that Pace could have taken a better player that got pick late in the round. You need to question whether anyone would have? Pace does get paid to get it right and ultimately it will determine his fate. He may not be intuitive enough but I also don't expect him to be near psychic.

You also need to consider that the media doesn't set the board. It's franchises and by draft day the boards look close to team's draft boards from reporters getting info from scouts etc. That's part of why positional rankings and big boards change so much between Jan and the draft.

The media is a reflection of the teams, not the other way around... unless you're a Trumper. ?

 

[mattb78]

Floyd really is an enigma. He isn't weak. He sets the edge much better than he did early in his career. Elite speed at the position, great length and good bend. Really a guy you looked at and said it would be hard for him not to get at least 7-8 sacks a year and be a good all around linebacker.

And he pretty much met that, minus the sack numbers of course.

Interesting thought about him being a 4-3 SAM, not a bad idea really, pretty much similar duties as what he has minus that pass rush. A little more coverage and less pass rush.

 

[Chris Sojka]

His tall scrawny ass playing inside would be comical. He plays with zero physicality. The narrative when he came out of Georgia was he was playing out of position inside because they needed him there. And he had untapped potential rushing the passer full time.

Then you add the $13 mil price tag and having him play middle is laughable.

The best move is to cut him, re-sign Kwit, and sign someone like Ryan Kerrigan or another free agent.

This simply hasnt been true for 2 years. He's physical he's just not a finisher.

 

[msadows]

Probably because your reasoning is completely flawed.

You defend it by using media rankings for other players available and graded as near the spot where Pace picked and who did worse than Floyd.

You keep forgetting that there were better players later in the round that Pace could have gotten including Tyreek Hill!

But I get it, perceived value matters too and even if he wanted defense he could have picked Yannick Ngakoue for the DL or Deion Jones before ATL takes him later or Sheldon Rankin and hit a home run there.

You seem to always forget that GMs do NOT have to follow consensus draft rankings by media. If any GM were handcuffed to the media rankings, then anyone of US could literally be GMs on draft day and that is laughable.

Yea, but we weren't in position to take BPA. Our team was still shit, at that point you take best value at position of need.

Sure, there are ALWAYS better players later on. Leremy Tunsil was there too, but our conservative organization was never taking him. And we also just signed Massie. All I'm saying is our biggest holes BY FAR were CB/Edge. Those were the only 4 names at CB/EDGE that were mid to early first round grades.

No one was taking tyreek hill when you have alshon and just drafted kevin white.

Thats just like the idiots saying we should have drafted lamar jackson after half a season of watching mitch, ffs.