Hoping Detroit Lions Draft Jalen Carter at #6

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No, on the off chance that he ends up being better than expected, I don't want to see him twice a year.
 

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All because the state does not to charge you, does not mean that you were innocent. It likely means they do not have sufficient evidence to convict you. That's it. The state will choose to settle to conserve resources and pin you down with something

Also,hthe judicial system is severely broken in our country. Alot of bad actors. Plus, we all know celebrities and athletes get special treatment and they more than usually end up with lighter sentences.

Truth likeky is that if Carter wasn't recklessly speeding and illegally racing his friends, then they likely would not have been speeding either. It takes two to Tango. Can you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. No. Is there a 99% chance it contributed, yes.
 

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All because the state does not to charge you, does not mean that you were innocent. It likely means they do not have sufficient evidence to convict you. That's it. The state will choose to settle to conserve resources and pin you down with something

Also,hthe judicial system is severely broken in our country. Alot of bad actors. Plus, we all know celebrities and athletes get special treatment and they more than usually end up with lighter sentences.

Truth likeky is that if Carter wasn't recklessly speeding and illegally racing his friends, then they likely would not have been speeding either. It takes two to Tango. Can you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. No. Is there a 99% chance it contributed, yes.
I was more intrugued by the part where it said he did not leave the scene until he was told he could to be honest.

Mel Kiper Jr. Mock 3.0

Pick 6: DT Jalen Carter, Georgia

In Kiper’s scenario, four quarterbacks are taken in the first five picks, with Will Anderson being the sole non-QB pick. That gave Kiper the option to take Carter—who wasn’t available in Jeremiah’s mock—and the ESPN draft guru jumped at the opportunity.

Obviously, there are now serious character concerns about Carter, because otherwise this would a slam-dunk pick. The legal proceedings are now a thing of the past, as Carter pled “no contest” to reckless driving and racing charges, resulting in 12 months probation, 80 hours of community service, and a $1,000 fine. Additionally, Carter’s attorney, Kim Stephens, put out a public statement to debunk some previously reported details about Carter’s involvement in the incident. Per Stephens, Carter did not leave the scene until an officer told him he could, and Carter was not responsible for the accident himself.
 

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What I keep going back to is that every time he’s *had* to perform, he’s given up.

Big-time games
Character moments
Pro Day

When he had all the motivation in the world to show what he can do, when he faced adversity but could still control what he could control, what did he do?

He wilted.

What reason would any team have to believe Carter is going to put all that behind him and be a hard worker from here on out?
 

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I was more intrugued by the part where it said he did not leave the scene until he was told he could to be honest.

Mel Kiper Jr. Mock 3.0

Pick 6: DT Jalen Carter, Georgia

In Kiper’s scenario, four quarterbacks are taken in the first five picks, with Will Anderson being the sole non-QB pick. That gave Kiper the option to take Carter—who wasn’t available in Jeremiah’s mock—and the ESPN draft guru jumped at the opportunity.

Obviously, there are now serious character concerns about Carter, because otherwise this would a slam-dunk pick. The legal proceedings are now a thing of the past, as Carter pled “no contest” to reckless driving and racing charges, resulting in 12 months probation, 80 hours of community service, and a $1,000 fine. Additionally, Carter’s attorney, Kim Stephens, put out a public statement to debunk some previously reported details about Carter’s involvement in the incident. Per Stephens, Carter did not leave the scene until an officer told him he could, and Carter was not responsible for the accident himself.

was his being pulled over for going 90 in a 35 video before or after the incident? he's a young kid about to be rich who loves to drive fast on probation....what happens if he pops probation?
 

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I was more intrugued by the part where it said he did not leave the scene until he was told he could to be honest.

Mel Kiper Jr. Mock 3.0

Pick 6: DT Jalen Carter, Georgia

In Kiper’s scenario, four quarterbacks are taken in the first five picks, with Will Anderson being the sole non-QB pick. That gave Kiper the option to take Carter—who wasn’t available in Jeremiah’s mock—and the ESPN draft guru jumped at the opportunity.

Obviously, there are now serious character concerns about Carter, because otherwise this would a slam-dunk pick. The legal proceedings are now a thing of the past, as Carter pled “no contest” to reckless driving and racing charges, resulting in 12 months probation, 80 hours of community service, and a $1,000 fine. Additionally, Carter’s attorney, Kim Stephens, put out a public statement to debunk some previously reported details about Carter’s involvement in the incident. Per Stephens, Carter did not leave the scene until an officer told him he could, and Carter was not responsible for the accident himself.

It's creative PR by his legal team in my opinion. They conveniently don't mention the reports that Carter misled police about specifically where he was when the crash occurred. It's reported he initially said he was a mile away, then nearby, then admitted he was next to the car a month later on the phone with police. His story changed and it wasn't until the police used surveillance video and cell phone records that they were able to determine he was racing and speeding next to the vehicle. There was even markings on Carter's vehicle that was consistent with the electrical pole that fell in the crash.

In the end, I think they had enough evidence to place him at the scene and racing the vehicle moments before, but likely not enough evidence to fully comvict him of being the cause of the wreck. It doesn't mean he is innocent either.

 

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Let them take him at #6
Guy is a huge bust

nfl is not a choir boy sport tho. he may play with a huge chip . . .

if Carter falls to 9 Bears will take him and rightly so.
 

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All because the state does not to charge you, does not mean that you were innocent. It likely means they do not have sufficient evidence to convict you. That's it. The state will choose to settle to conserve resources and pin you down with something

Also,hthe judicial system is severely broken in our country. Alot of bad actors. Plus, we all know celebrities and athletes get special treatment and they more than usually end up with lighter sentences.

Truth likeky is that if Carter wasn't recklessly speeding and illegally racing his friends, then they likely would not have been speeding either. It takes two to Tango. Can you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. No. Is there a 99% chance it contributed, yes.
There's body cam footage of the officer that pulled him over for doing 89 in a 45 a month prior to the accident and the officer tells him "you and your teammates gotta slow down man this is an arrestable offense but I'm going to let you off with just a ticket because this would be big news in the media" That's not verbatim but it's close, you can find the video if you want to hear exactly how he phrases it.

Definitely got preferential treatment because of who he is.
 

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All because the state does not to charge you, does not mean that you were innocent. It likely means they do not have sufficient evidence to convict you. That's it. The state will choose to settle to conserve resources and pin you down with something

Also,hthe judicial system is severely broken in our country. Alot of bad actors. Plus, we all know celebrities and athletes get special treatment and they more than usually end up with lighter sentences.

Truth likeky is that if Carter wasn't recklessly speeding and illegally racing his friends, then they likely would not have been speeding either. It takes two to Tango. Can you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. No. Is there a 99% chance it contributed, yes.
I believe you are coming from a good place. But having done this for a long long time in both IL and GA, you are way off base and it indicates you’ve never been involved in criminal investigations from start to finish.

With all the publicity and the time lapse between the crash and when the arrest warrants were taken out, I am confident every angle was examined due to the spotlight on them.

Carter’s sentence was fair and in line with other similar cases. And I’ve seen a lot of them.

But as I’ve said about drafting him, from a talent perspective he has it all. Whether he becomes a successful pro is entirely up to him.
 

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There's body cam footage of the officer that pulled him over for doing 89 in a 45 a month prior to the accident and the officer tells him "you and your teammates gotta slow down man this is an arrestable offense but I'm going to let you off with just a ticket because this would be big news in the media" That's not verbatim but it's close, you can find the video if you want to hear exactly how he phrases it.

Definitely got preferential treatment because of who he is.
In the speeding case he did. Not in this one.
 

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All because the state does not to charge you, does not mean that you were innocent. It likely means they do not have sufficient evidence to convict you. That's it. The state will choose to settle to conserve resources and pin you down with something

Also,hthe judicial system is severely broken in our country. Alot of bad actors. Plus, we all know celebrities and athletes get special treatment and they more than usually end up with lighter sentences.

Truth likeky is that if Carter wasn't recklessly speeding and illegally racing his friends, then they likely would not have been speeding either. It takes two to Tango. Can you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. No. Is there a 99% chance it contributed, yes.

Do people only speed when racing? Carter was caught speeding by himself before so have many of the Georgia players.

The facts are a grown ass woman on the football staff chose to drink and drive. Carter apparently was sober. That is likely the real reason she crashed and he didnt. Drunk drivers crash all the time and drunk drivers speed whether they are racing someone or not.

The problem here was she was drunk. Period. Dont drink and drive! In the absence of Carter, this drunk driver most likely still speeds and still crashes because that is what drunk drivers do. As a staff member she should have known better ans blaming Carter for her being drunk is silly particularly when he apparently refrained from drinking.
 

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Do people only speed when racing? Carter was caught speeding by himself before so have many of the Georgia players.

The facts are a grown ass woman on the football staff chose to drink and drive. Carter apparently was sober. That is likely the real reason she crashed and he didnt. Drunk drivers crash all the time and drunk drivers speed whether they are racing someone or not.

The problem here was she was drunk. Period. Dont drink and drive! In the absence of Carter, this drunk driver most likely still speeds and still crashes because that is what drunk drivers do. As a staff member she should have known better ans blaming Carter for her being drunk is silly particularly when he apparently refrained from drinking.

There is video surveillance of them racing each other. There is no denying that. He admitted being next to them when the crash occurred.

I'm sure the state understood that drinking likely played a large part in the wreck. That and that there is no way to prove that Carter caused the wreck in and of himself when the staffer was impaired. So might as well settle for what they can prove.

But all of that doesn't mean his actions didn't contribute to how everything actually played out.
 

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