If you don't want to hear anymore about the 2017 draft, move on.

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

both QBs have damn near an identical win/loss NFL record.

LOL

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Pace doesn’t think black people are smart enough to play qb. Thanks to that bias we are where we are

 

[sevvy]

Watson was the most NFL ready. He should have been the pick.

I think the problem with GMs and HCs more often than not, is that they don't realize that they're not fucking good. They have these heightened fucking egos, and zero sense of self-awareness. So they think, yeah, we can pick this Trubisky kid and turn him into the next fucking Joe Montana. And then they draft him, and hand him over to people that are actually dumber and more terrible than they are.

But because they're so stupid, and yet somehow egomaniacs, they don't realize how everyone around them is terrible. And here we are a few years later with a QB that just shits his pants and sucks.

100% when Pace and Nagy get escorted out of the building, they're going to go get lunch together and talk about how good they were, and how everyone else failed them.

 

[Anytime23]

Watson was the most NFL ready. He should have been the pick.

I think the problem with GMs and HCs more often than not, is that they don't realize that they're not fucking good. They have these heightened fucking egos, and zero sense of self-awareness. So they think, yeah, we can pick this Trubisky kid and turn him into the next fucking Joe Montana. And then they draft him, and hand him over to people that are actually dumber and more terrible than they are.

But because they're so stupid, and yet somehow egomaniacs, they don't realize how everyone around them is terrible. And here we are a few years later with a QB that just shits his pants and sucks.

100% when Pace and Nagy get escorted out of the building, they're going to go get lunch together and talk about how good they were, and how everyone else failed them.

Or they're just incompetent fucking idiots who don't do their due diligence or don't know what they're doing.

 

[CHIBEAR]

Playing big in big games is definitely a plus and should absolutely be factored in when they grade a player.

The point I'm making is about the lazy narrative since the draft that just because Watson beat Alabama that every team knew he was a sure-fire franchise QB from a lot of people in hindsight which is wrong and revisionist history.

There's a long list of those guys who seem like "sure fire" stars to the average fan who get to the nfl and suck.

But when you consider that at the end of the season one of Pace's criteria he was looking for in a for a qb was plays big in big games .

The problem is Watson was the basically the qb that the Bears were looking for and the coaches knew it but the GM felt him and his scouting team knew better better with conviction . Pace had already made up his mind before the season ended and then spent months trying to steer the team from any other candidate

The Bears were in the middle of a rebuild after gutting one of the worst lockerrooms cultures in the league . They brought in Fox who did a good job of turning it around but he knew a playmaking locker-room leader like Watson was what the team needed instead Pace grabbed a green guy who had no real experiencing leading team under any sort of pressure .

 

[CHIBEAR]

While I completely agree with you that Watson was clearly the better college QB, both QBs have damn near an identical win/loss NFL record. Watson is 28-21 in gs and Trubisky is 26-20. Both teams sharing an equal amount of talent/lack of talent on both sides of the ball, and obviously both players having the downside of shitty coaches. I dont know that we would be any better off with Watson over Trubisky at this stage in the game.

So you think because they have similar w/l records that somehow they are the same level of QB ?

Ryan pace is that you ?



Watson in those games has scored a 117 tds

Mitch has scored 65 tds


LOL .....

 

[CHIBEAR]

He went 12th overall. That's a mid first round selection. Watson was not a prospect that only Pace missed on, but several other GMs as well. That is all I am saying.

23 teams passed on Aaron Rogers and 31 teams passed on Drew Brees.

Its a hard mistake to forgive. Especially when you think about what we could have had at QB. But at the time, the consensus was that Watson came with questions.

It doesnt matter what every other team did not every other team tanked in 2016 and needed qb or was looking to sign Glennon to 16 million but we did that .

Every team has a plan ours was we needed a qb and we came out of one of the biggest offseasons in the history of the franchise with Glennon and Mitch

 

[CHIBEAR]

I think that's overblown. He was (arguably) the most important person on Clemson's campus. He was a 19 year old kid who received better doctors and trainers for rehab than any of us here would probably get. Plus, it's not like this happened in 1995.

I wont say racism at least I hope it wasnt but I will say this

Kaps protest was ongoing it started in 2016 with Trump getting involved in 2017

In Chicago we had the whole Laquan McDonald murder protests, indictment ,and trial that hit the fan in 2016 and 2017

I simply dont think the Bears as an organization wanted to take a black qb in the 3rd largest market and open up the entire discussion on police brutality and social justice at the podium at halas hall

 

[hckypro19ja]

So you think because they have similar w/l records that somehow they are the same level of QB ?

Ryan pace is that you ?



Watson in those games has scored a 117 tds

Mitch has scored 65 tds


LOL ..
Obviously they arent the same level when it comes to tds scored...but at the end of the day all that matters is wins and losses. All I was saying is that while Watson did nothing but win games in college it hasnt exactly translated to the NFL. And the same people that say he was the reason he won all those games in college will also say its the Texans fault that he hasnt had the same success in the NFL.

 

[hckypro19ja]

LOL

Laugh all you want, but are QBs not graded on their ability to win games regardless of the talent or lack of talent around them?

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Laugh all you want, but are QBs not graded on their ability to win games regardless of the talent or lack of talent around them?

In a certain context, yes.

Texans are worse, record wise, than the Bears. Doesnt mean Bears QBs are better or on par with Watson

 

[hckypro19ja]

In a certain context, yes.

Texans are worse, record wise, than the Bears. Doesnt mean Bears QBs are better or on par with Watson

I agree with you, I just dont understanding the pining for a QB that, while better than our current situation, wouldnt do much better on this team than the team hes currently on. Watson is a good QB, but he is not the type of QB who will win games regardless of the talent around him..such as a Rodgers or Wilson. I dont know about you, but I want someone who is gonna find ways to help his team win games and I personally dont care if he throws 100 TDs a year.

 

[CHIBEAR]

Obviously they arent the same level when it comes to tds scored...but at the end of the day all that matters is wins and losses. All I was saying is that while Watson did nothing but win games in college it hasnt exactly translated to the NFL. And the same people that say he was the reason he won all those games in college will also say its the Texans fault that he hasnt had the same success in the NFL.

They are not on the same level as far as play period . Team records aside Watson has performed at a much higher level than Mitch has and you claimed that

I dont know that we would be any better off with Watson over Trubisky at this stage in the game.

 

[CHIBEAR]

I agree with you, I just dont understanding the pining for a QB that, while better than our current situation, wouldnt do much better on this team than the team hes currently on. Watson is a good QB, but he is not the type of QB who will win games regardless of the talent around him..such as a Rodgers or Wilson. I dont know about you, but I want someone who is gonna find ways to help his team win games and I personally dont care if he throws 100 TDs a year.

You are making excuses dude .

I love how you have somehow switch your ridiculous endorsement of Mitch to now mean that because Watson is not Rodgers or Wilson good is not good enough to win football games with the Bears with again is just throwing crazy talking point against he wall .

 

[mecha]

I think the dude's saying Watson probably doesn't throw for 4000 yards and 30+ touchdowns with the Bears like he is with the Texans now. that's what I took away from that. the Bears had a guy that threw for 4500 yards for someone else and he never came close to 4000 with them.

the Bears outside of some legendary grade runningbacks in Sayer/Payton/Anderson/others from present modern era over the course of the last 55 years have never been an "offensive powerhouse" with passing proficiency. because they keep mating to some philosophy that they don't need to do that (OMGSMASHMOUTH DEFENSE AND RUN DA BAW). <--- neither of which the team does well today FYI

in the Super Bowl era that's translated to a singular win, and it was because of the defense...

lose the McCaskeys and the outdated assclown philosophies of what represents the Chicago Bears and maybe you'll get a Watson level quarterback.

 

[sevvy]

Laugh all you want, but are QBs not graded on their ability to win games regardless of the talent or lack of talent around them?

The Texans are just objectively a worse team. And DeShaun Watson is just objectively a better QB.

It'll be great when we can draft a QB and have a staff here that doesn't make our QB FUCKING WORSE than he is coming out of the draft. Lol.

 

[Anytime23]

I agree with you, I just dont understanding the pining for a QB that, while better than our current situation, wouldnt do much better on this team than the team hes currently on. Watson is a good QB, but he is not the type of QB who will win games regardless of the talent around him..such as a Rodgers or Wilson. I dont know about you, but I want someone who is gonna find ways to help his team win games and I personally dont care if he throws 100 TDs a year.

He's a franchise QB. A guy you build around. A guy who puts the ball where it needs to go. He's OL is dogshit and he still performs.

This is a playoff team with Watson.

 

[hckypro19ja]

You are making excuses dude .

I love how you have somehow switch your ridiculous endorsement of Mitch to now mean that because Watson is not Rodgers or Wilson good is not good enough to win football games with the Bears with again is just throwing crazy talking point against he wall .

Making excuses for what? I dont remember endorsing Mitch at all, in fact Ive agreed that from a performance standpoint everyone is right that Watson has put up much better yards and TDs. But that hasnt translated into a better win/loss record. Great QBs find a way to win regardless, can you agree with that? My whole point has been while Watson is putting up some good numbers, I do not think he is that level of QB that we as fans should be hoping for in the future.

 

[hckypro19ja]

The Texans are just objectively a worse team. And DeShaun Watson is just objectively a better QB.

It'll be great when we can draft a QB and have a staff here that doesn't make our QB FUCKING WORSE than he is coming out of the draft. Lol.

While they may be a worse team, they still have alot of the same issues the Bears have....shitty Oline, absolutely horrible coaching (I would even say our offensive coachint is far worse than theres) and fairly equal talent on both sides of the ball.

 

[hckypro19ja]

He's a franchise QB. A guy you build around. A guy who puts the ball where it needs to go. He's OL is dogshit and he still performs.

This is a playoff team with Watson.

Is our Oline not completely dogshit? And how about our top notch offensive coaching/scheme? How would Watsons problems with the Texans all of of a sudden not matter if he played with the genius that is Nagy?