Jurko: Brock Purdy is a better QB than Justin Fields v. ESPN1000

[Raskolnikov]

Okay, I'll bite then. Who is the sleeper QB in this upcoming draft? You clearly have an eye for scouting QBs that the NFL scouts don't, so let's see how that goes when you have to prognosticate it rather than "call it" after the fact.

With Hurts I was one of two people advocating for him.

I specifically pointed out the game in college that made me believe his intangibles and will to win, his inspirational self sacrifice leadership exemplified in Oklahomas big 12 championship game against Baylor.

I said watch that game and tell me how you are gonna tell him he will fail. He single handed kept Oklahoma competitive.

Jalen Hurts, No. 6 Oklahoma Outlast No. 7 Baylor in OT to Win 2019 Big 12 Title

The No. 6 Oklahoma Sooners provided a major boost to their College Football Playoff resume Saturday with a 30-23 overtime victory over the No. 7 Baylor Bears in the 2019 Big 12 Championship Game at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas...

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[dbldrew]

Not really. I told you exactly how to get a fair comparison in order to eliminate decreased passing volume and increased rushing volume from Fields, but you prefer lazy moronic analysis with mostly insignificant differences.

And I already pointed out how flawed that was.

 

[ijustposthere]

And I already pointed out how flawed that was.

No, you didn't. This was your response when I told you to use yard per target to eliminate volume/rushing discrepancies:

I'm replying to YOUR arguments, if you try and argue that fields 2021 volume vs this year has something to do with the drop in his weapons ypg then I will reply to that, If you try and argue that it was because they changed the offensive design to utilize his running ability I will reply to that as well. Make better arguments if you dont like how its going..

And when I complied the ypg averages I just looked at the yards for his starts vs other QBs starts for each weapon to specifically remove that complaint.

Listen it is what it is.. he is not a very good passer

So yeah, like I said, lazy moronic analysis, and it wasn't even a full analysis to boot. And even then, it's irrelevant, since we all know where Fields needs to improve.

 

[dbldrew]

No, you didn't. This was your response when I told you to use yard per target to eliminate volume/rushing discrepancies:

So yeah, like I said, lazy moronic analysis, and it wasn't even a full analysis to boot. And even then, it's irrelevant, since we all know where Fields needs to improve.

the NFL does not rate production on YPTarget otherwise the Bears would have the best receiver in the NFL.. The NFL bases production on yards, thats what I used.. your idea is flawed, unless you are going to say that Fields had the best WR in the whole NFL with Evans?

Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Ctch%	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	Y/Tgt ▼	R/G	Y/G	Fmb
1	Darrynton Evans	CHI	24	RB	6	0	1	1	100.0%	33	33.0	0	1	33	33.0	0.2	5.5	0
2	Tyler Badie	DEN	22	RB	1	0	1	1	100.0%	24	24.0	1	1	24	24.0	1.0	24.0	0
3	Ronald Jones II	KAN	25	RB	6	0	1	1	100.0%	22	22.0	0	1	22	22.0	0.2	3.7	0
4	Ross Dwelley	SFO	27	TE	12	0	5	3	60.0%	105	35.0	1	3	56	21.0	0.3	8.8	0
5	John Brown	BUF	32	WR	3	0	2	1	50.0%	42	42.0	1	1	42	21.0	0.3	14.0	0
6	Keke Coutee	IND	25	WR	8	0	1	1	100.0%	20	20.0	0	0	20	20.0	0.1	2.5	4
7	Marcus Jones+	NWE	24	DB	15	4	4	4	100.0%	78	19.5	1	3	48	19.5	0.3	5.2	1
8	Kendall Blanton	LAR	27	TE	4	0	2	2	100.0%	35	17.5	0	1	28	17.5	0.5	8.8	0
9	Patrick Taylor	GNB	24	RB	14	0	1	1	100.0%	17	17.0	0	1	17	17.0	0.1	1.2	0
10	Jalen Guyton	LAC	25	WR	3	0	4	2	50.0%	64	32.0	0	2	54	16.0	0.7	21.3	0
11	Jalen Virgil	DEN	24	WR	9	1	5	2	40.0%	75	37.5	1	2	66	15.0	0.2	8.3	1
12	Frank Darby	ATL	25	WR	5	0	1	1	100.0%	15	15.0	0	1	15	15.0	0.2	3.0	0
13	Kevin White	NOR	30	WR	7	2	5	2	40.0%	74	37.0	0	2	64	14.8	0.3	10.6	0
14	Tevin Coleman	SFO	29	RB	5	0	3	3	100.0%	44	14.7	1	2	30	14.7	0.6	8.8

 

[ijustposthere]

the NFL does not rate production on YPTarget otherwise the Bears would have the best receiver in the NFL.. The NFL bases production on yards, thats what I used.. your idea is flawed, unless you are going to say that Fields had the best WR in the whole NFL with Evans?

Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Ctch%	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	Y/Tgt ▼	R/G	Y/G	Fmb
1	Darrynton Evans	CHI	24	RB	6	0	1	1	100.0%	33	33.0	0	1	33	33.0	0.2	5.5	0
2	Tyler Badie	DEN	22	RB	1	0	1	1	100.0%	24	24.0	1	1	24	24.0	1.0	24.0	0
3	Ronald Jones II	KAN	25	RB	6	0	1	1	100.0%	22	22.0	0	1	22	22.0	0.2	3.7	0
4	Ross Dwelley	SFO	27	TE	12	0	5	3	60.0%	105	35.0	1	3	56	21.0	0.3	8.8	0
5	John Brown	BUF	32	WR	3	0	2	1	50.0%	42	42.0	1	1	42	21.0	0.3	14.0	0
6	Keke Coutee	IND	25	WR	8	0	1	1	100.0%	20	20.0	0	0	20	20.0	0.1	2.5	4
7	Marcus Jones+	NWE	24	DB	15	4	4	4	100.0%	78	19.5	1	3	48	19.5	0.3	5.2	1
8	Kendall Blanton	LAR	27	TE	4	0	2	2	100.0%	35	17.5	0	1	28	17.5	0.5	8.8	0
9	Patrick Taylor	GNB	24	RB	14	0	1	1	100.0%	17	17.0	0	1	17	17.0	0.1	1.2	0
10	Jalen Guyton	LAC	25	WR	3	0	4	2	50.0%	64	32.0	0	2	54	16.0	0.7	21.3	0
11	Jalen Virgil	DEN	24	WR	9	1	5	2	40.0%	75	37.5	1	2	66	15.0	0.2	8.3	1
12	Frank Darby	ATL	25	WR	5	0	1	1	100.0%	15	15.0	0	1	15	15.0	0.2	3.0	0
13	Kevin White	NOR	30	WR	7	2	5	2	40.0%	74	37.0	0	2	64	14.8	0.3	10.6	0
14	Tevin Coleman	SFO	29	RB	5	0	3	3	100.0%	44	14.7	1	2	30	14.7	0.6	8.8

 

[ijustposthere]

You're trying to make an efficiency argument using a cumulative stat. You have a complete, fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to analyze.

 

[dbldrew]

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Lol you make a dumb argument I'm going to point out why it's dumb. Stop making dumb arguments maybe?

 

[ijustposthere]

Lol you make a dumb argument I'm going to point out why it's dumb. Stop making dumb arguments maybe?

You're just too stupid to actually understand what you're trying to do.

 

[dbldrew]

You're trying to make an efficiency argument using a cumulative stat. You have a complete, fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to analyze.

No I'm making a production argument, based on how the NFL rates production. I just did it at the per game level to compare the difference between different QBs.

Your counter arguments have been idiotic

 

[Bearly]

Mooney was the number 1 in 2021.. unless you are saying AR12 giving up on the bears and a 400 yard season is number 1 territory? I mean that means that EQ is almost there to be considered a #1 WR!
Stop with the excuses, Fields is not a good passer, he is throwing at a 1950s era pace.. and your desperately trying to make excuses for that?

So dumb.

 

[dbldrew]

So dumb.

In what world is a 400 yard WR a number 1 compared to a 1000 yard WR? Please explain that one to me and if that's the case then I guess EQ is a solid number 2 because he is knocking on the door of your definition of a number 1.

The mental gymnastics you guys have to go through to try and justify Fields passing at a 1950s era QB must be exhausting..

 

[Bearly]

Why are the 49ers losing today? I thought the team was so good any QB could win with them.

The more sturdy, muscular and flexible Fields likely never leaves the game or stops throwing. If in Garoppolo shoes, he's probably at least available. Those are some smallish weak ass QBs playing a big boys game. Nobody took a bigger beating that Fields this year. Anybody think he's not at least available for a playoff game? It's a big part of being an NFL player.

 

[Bearly]

In what world is a 400 yard WR a number 1 compared to a 1000 yard WR? Please explain that one to me and if that's the case then I guess EQ is a solid number 2 because he is knocking on the door of your definition of a number 1.

The mental gymnastics you guys have to go through to try and justify Fields passing at a 1950s era QB must be exhausting..

Do you bring a shovel to every argument?

 

[TL1961]

You are misreading what I wrote you have to compare it to the NOT JF stats. which is 80 ypg for Mooney and 45 ypg for kmet

So even with manipulating the stats in favor of Fields, Fields was slightly better then his rookie year, but still falls short vs other QBs like I said.

Mooney with Arob vs Mooney without?

Isn’t that what you mean?

 

[Bearly]

With Hurts I was one of two people advocating for him.

I specifically pointed out the game in college that made me believe his intangibles and will to win, his inspirational self sacrifice leadership exemplified in Oklahomas big 12 championship game against Baylor.

I said watch that game and tell me how you are gonna tell him he will fail. He single handed kept Oklahoma competitive.

Jalen Hurts, No. 6 Oklahoma Outlast No. 7 Baylor in OT to Win 2019 Big 12 Title

The No. 6 Oklahoma Sooners provided a major boost to their College Football Playoff resume Saturday with a 30-23 overtime victory over the No. 7 Baylor Bears in the 2019 Big 12 Championship Game at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas...

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You were obviously right but that's not enough. He was not a great thrower nor had great vision in college.

 

[NCChiFan]

Purdy isn't when he is sitting on the sidelines his arm in a sling due to bad O line play.

 

[ijustposthere]

So dumb.

Yup, like I said. He refuses to account for every yard. Not to mention that any criticism levied towards Fields can be done by simply watching the games.

 

[TezMaKai]

In what world is a 400 yard WR a number 1 compared to a 1000 yard WR? Please explain that one to me and if that's the case then I guess EQ is a solid number 2 because he is knocking on the door of your definition of a number 1.

The mental gymnastics you guys have to go through to try and justify Fields passing at a 1950s era QB must be exhausting..

Hi there, just wondering if you’ve had a chance to review the stats of Fields and Purdy against common opponents. I’d really love to hear your thoughts since you seem to be going extra hard in the paint within this ‘Purdy is better than Fields’ thread.

 

[dbldrew]

Do you bring a shovel to every argument?

So no your not going to try and justify saying a 400yrd receiver is a number 1 when a 1000 yard one isn't?

Thought so

 

[Bearly]

So no your not going to try and justify saying a 400yrd receiver is a number 1 when a 1000 yard one isn't?

Thought so

What's to justify? He was clearly the #1 and had fewer yards because he drew the coverage (away from Mooney). That you can't follow along surprises no one. Let us know when you can walk and chew gum at the same time. D's try to take away your top WR. 2021, that was AR. Last year, that was Mooney. Bears also were ranked last in pass protection DVOA the last 2 years but the adjusted sack rate went from 9.5% in 2021 to 13% in 2022.

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