K.Whyte the real sleeper?

[Spunky Porkstacker]

QFT

Not sure how truthful...Mizzell was terrible last PS and given more RS chances than he should have gotten so... Had he actually done something he'd have gotten a lot more use.

 

[dabears70]

See I don't. If he gets poached, he is gone period. But forget whether or not he gets poached, as a matter of fact let's assume Bearly is right and he does NOT get poached with that jaw-dropping speed, ok.

Does he make the 53 eventually? What if he can't develop better NFL level vision and cuts? I mean NEVER can. Did he "bust" out of the NFL? Did he meet expectations for the coach? For himself?

No one in theiright mind would give Pace a black mark on his record for taking a flier on Whyte. Not for that one draft pick, no. But that's not the same as saying he wouldn't be a bust.

In my opinion he's not considered a bust in the way of Pace or his scouts for drafting him in the 7th round if he not only doesn't make the 53 but NEVER develops whatever he would need to make not only our 53 but any 53. It's a damn 7th round pick. Most 4th and 5th round picks don't make the 53 of their teams.

 

[Visionman]

yes and nor should there be expectations from fans as the 7th round typically is a crapshoot when it comes to making the team.

But we were talking on two different levels: fans like you and the player himself which is where I was viewing things.

I am sure he has expectations on himself to DO this and make it. He has to imo to even HAVE the slim chance he has.

So using that logic, if UDFAs and tryout players don't make the 53, they should be considered busts?

TC rosters are 90 players. So I guess each team has a minimum of 37 busts per season.

Man...these GMs suck!

 

[dabears70]

Yes. This. If Whyte can show NFL level cuts and moveswith timing along with that speed, then he would be an historic steal. And no one would give a fuck who is cut for him.

It's also why it's so hard to believe it will happen.

If he shows out as a returner then they're gonna wanna keep him around if they think he could replace Patterson after this year and save $5 mil per. It's so early for any of us to know who will or won't make the 53 because sometimes players just adjust there games better to the NFL. A 7th rounder could just get drafted into a situation that works for him and his game adjusts and then a 3rd or 4th rounder could do the exact opposite and that 7th rounder takes the 3rd-4th rounders spot on the 53 simply because of how those players adjust to the next level.

 

[dabears70]

So using that logic, if UDFAs and tryout players don't make the 53, they should be considered busts?

TC rosters are 90 players. So I guess each team has a minimum of 37 busts per season.

Man...these GMs suck!

Yeah i'm not sure i'd put it that way...lol. Shit i don't even know who's arguing what point out of you guys anymore...LOL.

 

[Bearly]

i'm not saying he'll be a RB but he may not steal a spot form WR either and take the roster spot of one of our backfield guys instead. They may just keep him or Whyte as a specialist as well but that's become less likely in the current NFL.

 

[TL1961]

I love this place sometimes.

Yes it is free for everyone. I started my post with the fact I don't own a phone. FB being free for everyone (me and the people I want to stay in close contact with) IS one of the reasons why a phone with monthly service is not needed for me.

I just thought it odd to use the phrase “get Facebook for free” when that is the only way to do it.
(And that is about what it’s worth, btw.)

 

[TL1961]

Patterson is not a RB. He is a WR

I was half-joking. But the fact is, Patterson carried the ball out of the backfield far more than he was targeted as a WR.

 

[Bearly]

Well if we only keep 3 RB's then i change what i just said about him making the 53 because i thought we kept 4 at times last year especially the 2nd half with Howard, Cohen, Benny and Mizzell but there's no way Whyte beats out any one of Montgomery, M.Davis or T.Cohen. Unless M.Davis isn't what they thought he was gonna be or K.Whyte just simply shows out in TC and preseason then i could see them giving much more thought to K.Whyte over M.Davis. Not sure how excited i'd be to have two rookies in our only 3 RB's we have on the 53 but the kid has talent so i'll be excited to see what he does.

We did but rarely keep 4 on the original 53. If we don't have FB/HB, it could be we keep 4 but that was all explained.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

That's exactly what Bearly says. I have no idea what "expectations" are on a 7th round pick if NOT making the 53. No one has actually answered that yet.

Since you want an answer, I will give my opinion.

Let's start with an early 1st rounder.

If he starts, he is meeting the expectations of a 1st rounder.
If he stars, he is exceeding the expectations for his position unless he is one of the blue chip players (usually 3 to 5 per year). If he is a blue chip player and stars, he is just meeting expectations.
If he does not become a starter within the 1st 3 seasons, he is a bust.
If he does considerably worse than 1st rounders picked much later than him, he is at least a disappointment, if not a bust.

Now let's go to the 7th rounders.

If he starts, he is a sleeper.
If he stars, he is a super sleeper.
If he does not become a starter within the 1st 3 seasons, he is a special teams player.
If he does considerably worse than players drafted after him or UDFAs, he is a special teams player.
If he does not make the 53 roster, he is a practice squad player.
If he does not make the 53 man roster, gets picked up by another team and does well for the other team, he is the one that got away.
If he does not make the practice squad nor picked up by another team, he is a disappointment.
If he gets arrested for selling drugs, he is busted (the only choice that ties a 7th rounder with the word bust).

 

[Brownie]

If they could somehow have Howard-Cohen-Cunningham-Mizzel on the roster last year, surely the could fit Cohen-Davis-Montgomery-Whtye somehow, right? With the understanding that Whyte has to be able to play ST just as BC did.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I always have a soft spot for the late round guys, so I hope he succeeds with the Bears. I don't mind too much if it's with another team not in the NFC North.

That's all I got.

 

[Pegger]

Cohen
Montgomery
Davis
Patterson

Wouldn’t he be #5?

Wait a sec, are you talking about a 5 headed rushing attack! For the love of god, that's some magical, unattainable percentage better than the rumored 3 headed attack!

Bring it!

Wait a god damn second. I'm just spit ballin here... What if we had another RB? I'm no rocket surgeon, but based on counting fingers I'm seeing a RB room with somewhere close to 6 runningbacks!

Imagine that 6 headed monster! It would be the Greek Moster known as the Hydra:



Look at that monster! Imagine that creature with a ball on one of the mouths while the other's just head butt defenders like an old school Madden stiff arm!

 

[Visionman]

We did but rarely keep 4 on the original 53. If we don't have FB/HB, it could be we keep 4 but that was all explained.

Even if we keep 4, it's doubtful all 4 will be active on game day. Especially since they will have Patterson active who can fill in at RB if needed.

It will come down to who can be the best ST player (not returns) and the most important gadget player for the offense...

 

[Bearly]

I think that's obviously Patterson plus they paid him a lot for it.

 

[JUSTFINGWIN]

Imo, I think he's just a pure kick returner. He does not have the lateral movement to be an effective NFL RB.

 

[dabears70]

Anyone think it's odd how Vu closed my thread with the last post but somehow BearDen still had time to get a like in that thread closing post? Hmmmmmmmmm....

 

[BearDen]

Anyone think it's odd how Vu closed my thread with the last post but somehow BearDen still had time to get a like in that thread closing post? Hmmmmmmmmm....

Anyone can react to any post in a locked thread. Are you this dumb on purpose?

 

[Tjodalv]

Anyone think it's odd how Vu closed my thread with the last post but somehow BearDen still had time to get a like in that thread closing post? Hmmmmmmmmm....

Fuck yeah!!! Bear Den is part of "the team" now? Why wasn't I informed by super-secret email?

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

So using that logic, if UDFAs and tryout players don't make the 53, they should be considered busts?

TC rosters are 90 players. So I guess each team has a minimum of 37 busts per season.

Man...these GMs suck!

So using that logic, if UDFAs and tryout players don't make the 53, they should be considered busts?

Correct. If you know of a better term than "bust" for failure to make the team, then please offer it.

TC rosters are 90 players. So I guess each team has a minimum of 37 busts per season.

Yes, correct.

Man...these GMs suck!

That depends on the W-L record but I suspect lower bust ratios are directly proportional to higher win percentage.

I get you were going for a reductio ad absurdum dismissal of me, yet you seem to not be tracking the general context of the discussion at hand.

Please post better soon, thanks