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They dont want Nichols and don't want to give up a 4th. Their pick is in high demand and they know they can make a fool out of Pace

Why wouldn’t they want Nichols?

He is young, cheap, and super productive. Their DTs are Grady Jarrett and a bunch of scrubs.

A future 4th isn’t derailing anything.
 

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There may be a bit of competition.
I think you can add in Denver, NE heck maybe even Detroit since they are only at 7.


@mlombardiNFL: "I think Washington is going to be the next team to unload all their picks to try to get a QB. I think they love Lance. I don't think, I KNOW Washington loves Lance … I think they're willing to go get him."

— Burgundy Blog (@BurgundyBlog) April 7, 2021

Washington has consistently made out list of potential trade candidates, but at 19th overall, would need to pay a premium to get to 4. In fact, our latest mock draft from editor Kevin Knight had the Falcons swapping picks with Washington. Knight’s projected trade was Washington sending over nearly every 2021 pick and its 1st round pick in 2022


 
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This team is doomed for the next five years. They missed on their QB when they got MT instead of PM. They keep putting shit talent behind center and fans keep making complicated ways of how it could work. Lawrence is the only QB from this draft who will be a player in his career. These college teams are stacked with talent for false advertisements. They can customize their schedules to benefit those stacked teams. If you disagree fine but your looking at the world biased. Ask Goff if you can't be holding a clipboard in a couple years ask Marriotta, or RG3, or Winston, Hurt, hell ask Mitch. Each year for at least the past decade has shown emergence of one maybe two QB in a QB heavy year sticking around and playing good. The only QB that will survive from this draft and that may only to be a backup is Lawrence. This league is not producing the talent it once did. Look around the league and see for yourselves. You have some decades old talent at the top a few young guns coming up and a whole mess of backups that have to be a teams starter bcuz they have no other options. We are heading towards the last one.
 

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Trading up to #4 means you are using three 1st round picks on the fourth QB off the board. Are Lance and Jones worth that price tag? Fields probably is imo.
I think Fields is worth it and I like Jones a lot but think he has a higher risk of not being a franchise QB. Lance I have no idea which probably means I would not do it for him. If the Bears trade up this time the
Pretty much everyone thought Pace/Nagy should have been fired except the people in power to actually do it. Then there is all this speculation and secrecy surrounding Pace's contract. Idk what to think anymore. I agree though, if McCaskey's were committed to Pace, they shouldn't hamstring him, but I get the hesitation from ownership to give up future firsts. Pace signed Glennon, didnt' work. Drafted Trubisky, didn't work. Traded for Foles, didn't work. And has now asked ownership to sign Dalton well above market value. Why should they allow him to give up a bunch of picks for the 4th best QB?

I would hope they discussed this and Pace had a plan going into the offseason that didn't include trading up into the top 5. That's why the McCaskey's could say fuck off, figure it out. That's not the strategy you presented.

Personally, if Fields is there at 4 on draft day, I wouldn't be upset if they made the move. If it's for Mac Jones, then meh.
There is no way to know what the plan was and whether it included trading up for a rookie if a vet FA did not work out. Would seem to me, it would include trading up to fix the QB mess. The odds of us signing a good Franchise QB in FA were slim if any really existed at all. The best place to get a Franchise QB is the draft. Odds are ownership was on board for a big trade up from the beginning and these rumors of ownership not wanting to use future picks is BS.
 

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I have none. The only hope is Nagy and Flip are making the pick.

But no QB is treading water.

I would let him trade next years picks, but not 2023.

why would you have any more confidence in Nagy and Flip over Pace? None of them have proven anything at all. Trading future first round picks is like giving my 7 year old my credit card in a candy store.
 

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why would you have any more confidence in Nagy and Flip over Pace? None of them have proven anything at all. Trading future first round picks is like giving my 7 year old my credit card in a candy store.

Pace is a known failure.

Nagy is an unknown.

An unknown is better than a known failure.

I don’t want Pace making the trade or picking the QB, but that ship has sailed.
 

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Why wouldn’t they want Nichols?

He is young, cheap, and super productive. Their DTs are Grady Jarrett and a bunch of scrubs.

A future 4th isn’t derailing anything.
Jarrett is a three tech in a 4-3, don't think Nichols is nearly as effective as a 1, he would be redundant. And to trade for him with one year left on his rookie deal, not exactly cheap moving forward.
 

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Jarrett is a three tech in a 4-3, don't think Nichols is nearly as effective as a 1, he would be redundant. And to trade for him with one year left on his rookie deal, not exactly cheap moving forward.

The inclusion of Nichols and the falcons 2022 4th is meaningless in this mock trade.
If I'm Atlanta and trading the 4th pick down to #20, that means they are attempting to win with Ryan in the next few years.
I would ask for 2021 #20 and #52, 2022 1st and 2nd rounders as well as JJ and/or Smith.
Its going to take a massive over pay to acquire the #4 pick this year.
 

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I have no Love for Pace and Nagy, but I don’t agree with the whole ‘Pace got fleeced by Lynch’ narrative. At least Pace took a swing at QB. He missed. Happens all of the time. More so than usual on the Bears. What did Lynch do? Solomon Thomas-bust. Reuben Foster-headcase. QB?? Massive overpay for always hurt Jimmy G. He did hit on Kittle tho.

Don’t get me wrong. I was happy when we drafted Trubisky and was one of the first guys on this board to bang the table for him. Looking back, I have zero regrets.

My issue was whether or not Pace had to move up or not. He just didn’t. He was locked in and missed out on the other two talents to move up one spot for Señor Camry.

So, No, I don’t want him moving up for rookie Qb5 if we are lucky or throwing a first round draft pick away on a fourth round talent because we are feening fora Qb.
 

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Don’t get me wrong. I was happy when we drafted Trubisky and was one of the first guys on this board to bang the table for him. Looking back, I have zero regrets.

My issue was whether or not Pace had to move up or not. He just didn’t. He was locked in and missed out on the other two talents to move up one spot for Señor Camry.

So, No, I don’t want him moving up for rookie Qb5 if we are lucky or throwing a first round draft pick away on a fourth round talent because we are feening fora Qb.
From what I read, half the Browns staff loved Trubisky. Even ownership liked him and his story to sell tickets since he was an Ohio kid. They lost out with the first pick selection, but the idea that they would try and move back to #2 and get Trubisky, was not crazy. Did they call, who knows, but there was a threat. Would SF have moved down to #10, who knows. If Pace did nothing and the Browns stole him at #2 and he turned into a star everyone on this board would be calling for him to be fired due to not trading up.
 

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No reason to give up a second 1'st rounder.
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If there is no competition for the 4th pick 2 - 1st and a 2nd might be enough, but Washington, Denver, and Pittsburg are possible. Denver is the biggest threat since they have the 9th pick. They might end up with Bridgewater. I'd have no issues giving up 3 firsts and a second for Fields. We would have to offer a bigger package since coming from pick 20. Has any team ever traded from the 20s to the top 5?
 

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New draft stratagy.....

Ask Pace to rank every QB in the draft.

Draft the guy Pace thinks is worst. (He will really be the best)

Just remember that the QB choosing isn't just Pace cause they made it very clear that Nagy and others will have big voices in any of the next QB decisions. I know Nagy was the biggest voice in getting Foles but even though that didn't work out i still 100% get what they were hoping for with Foles who won a Super Bowl in what's supposed to be a Nagy style offense with both him and Peterson coming from the Andy Reid tree. If Foles wasn't running for his life every time the ball got snapped to him maybe he could of been better but our o-line was at it's worst when he was the starter.
 

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