Mike Glennon is pretty good?

[Warden of the Northeast]

Yes but Brees started turning it on in San Diego at the end but by then they already drafted Rivers. The only thing that held teams back was the shoulder. Brees was far better and more established when he departed San Diego than Glennon is. With Glennon there is a ton of unknown but definitely worth kicking the tires on at this point.

Those are some expensive tires.

 

[iueyedoc]

Yes but Brees started turning it on in San Diego at the end but by then they already drafted Rivers. The only thing that held teams back was the shoulder. Brees was far better and more established when he departed San Diego than Glennon is. With Glennon there is a ton of unknown but definitely worth kicking the tires on at this point.

Yeah, point is Glennon's play was not going to stop Tampa from taking the #1 prospect at #1 and then subsequently play him. MG's playing time had nothing to do with MG.

 

[Big Tyme D]

Fact is glennon didn't do enuff to convince Tampa not not to draft Winston

Not necessarily true. He had good numbers in his starts for a very bad team... but he wasn't Lovie's guy. All of us should know about Lovie and his tendencies when it comes to handling QBs. But, unless your QB was named Brady, Bress or Rodgers.... you had to draft Winston with the #1 pick the year he was available...couldn't really blame Lovie for pulling that trigger on then player who was considered the #1 prospect that year... Lovie was not going to be cute and to 'not' pick him after TB had messed up so much on thier last first round 'franchise' QB, Freeman... Lovie was desperate to have his own franchise QB.. something he couldn't get in Chicago.

Glennon was just caught in a bad situation for him

 

[BearClaw55]

If Glennon gets injured or sucks and we have to play Mark Sanchez with no developmental QB in place, I will lose my mind.

I agree but Pace should be able to draft a better prospect then Peterman. When the Bears are picking in the top 3 to 4 every round.

 

[Big Tyme D]

However, that doesn't preclude taking a top QB when you're at #3 in the draft. Packers took Rogers when they had Farve. That's the right way to handle the essential position in football.

Yes GB took Rogers..... but they took him at #24, NOT #3... they were at that point a great team. Two totally different situations you can't compare the two. They took a QB to develop who could also be a solid back up. He sat for a few seasons and wasn't the only QB they took during that time either... he just proved to be the best.
The only credit I give to GB is that they regularly take QBs... but they aren't taking them with top picks which wouldn't make or break them... and the vast majority of the QBs they take turn into garbage... but they pick enough solid prospects to get a few gems.

 

[run and shoot]

Not necessarily true. He had good numbers in his starts for a very bad team... but he wasn't Lovie's guy. All of us should know about Lovie and his tendencies when it comes to handling QBs.

But, unless your QB was named Brady, Bress or Rodgers.... you had to draft Winston with the #1 pick the year he was available...couldn't really blame Lovie for pulling that trigger on then player who was considered the #1 prospect that year... Lovie was not going to be cute and to 'not' pick him after TB had messed up so much on thier last first round 'franchise' QB, Freeman... Lovie was desperate to have his own franchise QB.. something he couldn't get in Chicago.

Glennon was just caught in a bad situation for him

Ok so glennon just didn't do enuff to prove that Tampa should wait to draft a Qb. IMO Smith made the right decision.

Smith's been to a couple SB's. He went to a SB here without a Qb Smith is a winner and remains the last HC to have a winning record here......so his decision-making shouldn't be questioned, IMO. You are right, he didn't a
"franchise Qb" on Tampa ( until Winston)

TB had messed up so much on thier last first round 'franchise' QB, Freeman..

.....and Freeman wasn't Greg Schiano's guy. Glennon had 2 opptys. to prove he was " da man" and just couldn't do it. You brought up Brady....well when he got his oppty. he kicked butt and Bledsoe never saw the field again. glennon just didn't impress enuff

 

[Big Tyme D]

What if Jerry Angelo thinks Grossman can be the man and takes Benson instead of Aaron Rodgers...? What could that hurt?

Very bad analogy. In 2003 team needed a QB.. we took a QB.. Grossman... he shows a few good flashes... he gets hurt. Team still thinks it has its QB by the 2005 draft.... which I remember well... we had a decent RBs.. we needed defense... specifically LBs... I was on the Derrick Johnson bandwagon... and was pissed we drafted Benson because I and many others... thought we were fine with T. Jones and should have just resigned ATrain as his back up.

You can never blame a team for wanting to develop a young QB they invested a high pick on. Grossman turned out to not be the answer... but the Bears aern't the only team which has been in that type of situation..... do you invest in another high pick on a QB when you haven't given your recent high pick a chance to develop? blame Grossman for getting hurt.. blame him and the team for his poor development... buy you can't blame them, as many do, for giving the QB a chance before they started looking for replacements.... Aaron was already a Packer before the team knew Grossman was not the future.

 

[DC]

As if the Bucs know shit about developing a QB, let alone Lovie. Winston was a must pick due to his popularity in the area.

Don't get me wrong, I want a QB at #3, but to write Mike G. off b/c of the debacle in Tampa is stupid.

 

[Big Tyme D]

Ok so glennon just didn't do enuff to prove that Tampa should wait to draft a Qb. IMO Smith made the right decision. Smith's been to a couple SB's. He went to a SB here without a Qb......so his decision-making shouldn't be questioned.




.....and Freeman wasn't Greg Schiano's guy. Glennon had 2 opptys. to prove he was " da man" and just couldn't do it. You brought up Brady....well when he got his oppty. he kicked butt and Bledsoe never saw the field again. glennon just didn't impress enuff

Your view neglects the fact that TB had a bad team.... it neglects the fact hat TB had the #1 pick the year Winston was the #1 player. Thats a no brainer pick no team would have passed on.... and even if it belonged to a team with a solid QB already established.. like a Luck .. they would have traded it and Winston stilll would have been #1. Glennon was just in a bad spot.
And with out digging up bad history.... Yes we did have a QB... just many fans hated the QB... but he played like Sybil, but he helped get to the SB... as well as the Defense... and he also helped loose the SB along with the Defense... and bad coaching decisions.
Speaking of Lovie's decision making..... there is a reason why he's no longer a head coach. So making statements as if he knew what the hell he was doing.... isn't supported by his continued lack of success as a head coach.

 

[run and shoot]

Your view neglects the fact that TB had a bad team.... it neglects the fact hat TB had the #1 pick the year Winston was the #1 player. Thats a no brainer pick no team would have passed on.... and even if it belonged to a team with a solid QB already established.. like a Luck .. they would have traded it and Winston stilll would have been #1. Glennon was just in a bad spot.
And with out digging up bad history.... Yes we did have a QB... just many fans hated the QB... but he played like Sybil, but he helped get to the SB... as well as the Defense... and he also helped loose the SB along with the Defense... and bad coaching decisions.
Speaking of Lovie's decision making..... there is a reason why he's no longer a head coach. So making statements as if he knew what the hell he was doing.... isn't supported by his continued lack of success as a head coach.

The person who shafted and "in a bad spot" in Tampa was Smith ( the TB ownership was "Sybil") . He had that team on a upswing when he left. Smith never had a Qb here in Chicago. We know this.....Winston is the 1st real Qb for Smith. Point is we made it to the SB with Smith as HC. Currently, Smith is the best HC this team has had and Smith remains a winning HC, If he were a loser, we'd be having a different discussion.

Glennon was just in a bad spot.

and Freeman wasn't Greg Schiano's guy ....Schiano choose Glennon.....


again

Glennon had 2 opptys. to prove he was " da man" and just couldn't do it. You brought up Brady....well when he got his oppty. he kicked butt and Bledsoe never saw the field again. glennon just didn't impress enuff

If Glennon had been impressive then Greg Schiano was still have his job. Right? Good Qb's help to lift bad teams.

 

[Bearly]

Lovie was last place in his division both years there. Lost the last 4 straight in his 2nd year. TB fans are not fond of him and don't feel at all as you do. TB still owed Lovie 3yrs of contract and let him go anyway. He did a lot of good things here but was a disaster in TB.

Was Steve Young a good QB? Here's where you pull some other bullshit out your ass and ignore others when they correct you.

 

[Bearly]

Not necessarily true. He had good numbers in his starts for a very bad team... but he wasn't Lovie's guy. All of us should know about Lovie and his tendencies when it comes to handling QBs. But, unless your QB was named Brady, Bress or Rodgers.... you had to draft Winston with the #1 pick the year he was available...couldn't really blame Lovie for pulling that trigger on then player who was considered the #1 prospect that year... Lovie was not going to be cute and to 'not' pick him after TB had messed up so much on thier last first round 'franchise' QB, Freeman... Lovie was desperate to have his own franchise QB.. something he couldn't get in Chicago.

Glennon was just caught in a bad situation for him

Farve also turned 36 that year.

 

[Big Tyme D]

Glennon had 2 opptys. to prove he was " da man" and just couldn't do it. You brought up Brady....well when he got his oppty. he kicked butt and Bledsoe never saw the field again. glennon just didn't impress enuff[/I]

If Glennon had been impressive then Greg Schiano was still have his job. Right? Good Qb's help to lift bad teams.

Mannn... how many GOOD QBs start off on BAD teams..... a QB is one player... and important player... but still one player. A team could have drafted Payton Manning and with no Pass rush..... no defense.... nothing else going for it ... it will be bad......... and oh guess what... the list of teams which fit that bill are long. Teams which pick QBs in the top five.... are usually bad teams and need more work than just a QB to become good.

Brady /Bledsoe.... that was a unique situation and NOTHING similiar to the situation Glennon was in. Brady was a needle named 'Excalibur' in a haystack.... N.E. got lucky as hell drafting him.

Glennon was drafted initially to develop behind Freeman ... who was the starter, with a bleak outlook, and he actually replaced in his rookie year (Greg Schiano's call)... but the team was bad and in came Lovie, he didnt know Glennon... he doesn't know QBs, we all know that. He rewarded Glennon decent rookie year by sitting him behind McCown, when he should have been given the start, by Lovie.. (the very same thing he did in Chicago when the team drafted Grossman and he opted to start Chandler and freakin Kordell Stewart when he should have been playing Grossman... the same coach behind the Grossman/ Orton debacle)... Glennon got a couple more starts when McCown got hurt..... but the Bucs were still BAD.... thier problems were much deeper than QB....the team ended up in a spot where they had to draft the local kid the #1 prospect, BPA, at #1 who was a QB... and they HAD to play the local favorite over Glennon no matter what.

That's a situation in which the QB had no chance to prove himself... it happens.

Unless he came out and pulled a Brady out his ass... he was not going to justify the team not drafting Winston. Glennon had no chance.

 

[Bearly]

Mannn... how many GOOD QBs start off on BAD teams..... a QB is one player... and important player... but still one player. A team could have drafted Payton Manning and with no Pass rush..... no defense.... nothing else going for it ... it will be bad......... and oh guess what... the list of teams which fit that bill are long. Teams which pick QBs in the top five.... are usually bad teams and need more work than just a QB to become good.

Brady /Bledsoe.... that was a unique situation and NOTHING similiar to the situation Glennon was in. Brady was a needle named 'Excalibur' in a haystack.... N.E. got lucky as hell drafting him.

Glennon was drafted initially to develop behind Freeman ... who was the starter, with a bleak outlook, and he actually replaced in his rookie year (Greg Schiano's call)... but the team was bad and in came Lovie, he didnt know Glennon... he doesn't know QBs, we all know that. He rewarded Glennon decent rookie year by sitting him behind McCown, when he should have been given the start, by Lovie.. (the very same thing he did in Chicago when the team drafted Grossman and he opted to start Chandler and freakin Kordell Stewart when he should have been playing Grossman... the same coach behind the Grossman/ Orton debacle)... Glennon got a couple more starts when McCown got hurt..... but the Bucs were still BAD.... thier problems were much deeper than QB....the team ended up in a spot where they had to draft the local kid the #1 prospect, BPA, at #1 who was a QB... and they HAD to play the local favorite over Glennon no matter what.

That's a situation in which the QB had no chance to prove himself... it happens.

Unless he came out and pulled a Brady out his ass... he was not going to justify the team not drafting Winston. Glennon had no chance.

That's actually happened. Manning led his team to 3-13 with 26TDs, 28 INTs and a 71 rating. Brady didn't start and only took like a half dozen snaps his 1st year.

 

[MrOuija]

Very bad analogy. In 2003 team needed a QB.. we took a QB.. Grossman... he shows a few good flashes... he gets hurt. Team still thinks it has its QB by the 2005 draft.... which I remember well... we had a decent RBs.. we needed defense... specifically LBs... I was on the Derrick Johnson bandwagon... and was pissed we drafted Benson because I and many others... thought we were fine with T. Jones and should have just resigned ATrain as his back up.

You can never blame a team for wanting to develop a young QB they invested a high pick on. Grossman turned out to not be the answer... but the Bears aern't the only team which has been in that type of situation..... do you invest in another high pick on a QB when you haven't given your recent high pick a chance to develop? blame Grossman for getting hurt.. blame him and the team for his poor development... buy you can't blame them, as many do, for giving the QB a chance before they started looking for replacements.... Aaron was already a Packer before the team knew Grossman was not the future.

I think the analogy is apt when you realize the Bears passed up a chance at a franchise QB (Rodgers), for a known mediocre QB (Grossman) who they hoped would become more. We're in the same situation this year given the choice of practically taking any QB we want and declining because we have friggin' Mike Glennon.

 

[MrOuija]

Technically true, but fact is after playing one season for one of the shittiest coaches (Schiano)in recent NFL history, he was benched before ever playing for a HC with zero clue about QB's (Lovie) for a career back up in McCown. No amount of play by a 2nd year third round QB was going to stop a completely shitty TB team from drafting Winston with the 1st overall or playing the first overall over him. It would be true with every team in that situation.

Glennon may or may not be better than what people think he is, but his time in Tampa is little indicator.

Every team? How about this one? True we have #3 overall instead of #1 so it's not completely apples to apples, but it sure looks like we're passing up that top QB prospect for the same guy you said wasn't going to prevent TB from taking a QB.

 

[Luke]

Mannn... how many GOOD QBs start off on BAD teams..... a QB is one player... and important player... but still one player. A team could have drafted Payton Manning and with no Pass rush..... no defense.... nothing else going for it ... it will be bad......... and oh guess what... the list of teams which fit that bill are long. Teams which pick QBs in the top five.... are usually bad teams and need more work than just a QB to become good.

Brady /Bledsoe.... that was a unique situation and NOTHING similiar to the situation Glennon was in. Brady was a needle named 'Excalibur' in a haystack.... N.E. got lucky as hell drafting him.

Glennon was drafted initially to develop behind Freeman ... who was the starter, with a bleak outlook, and he actually replaced in his rookie year (Greg Schiano's call)... but the team was bad and in came Lovie, he didnt know Glennon... he doesn't know QBs, we all know that. He rewarded Glennon decent rookie year by sitting him behind McCown, when he should have been given the start, by Lovie.. (the very same thing he did in Chicago when the team drafted Grossman and he opted to start Chandler and freakin Kordell Stewart when he should have been playing Grossman... the same coach behind the Grossman/ Orton debacle)... Glennon got a couple more starts when McCown got hurt..... but the Bucs were still BAD.... thier problems were much deeper than QB....the team ended up in a spot where they had to draft the local kid the #1 prospect, BPA, at #1 who was a QB... and they HAD to play the local favorite over Glennon no matter what.

That's a situation in which the QB had no chance to prove himself... it happens.

Unless he came out and pulled a Brady out his ass... he was not going to justify the team not drafting Winston. Glennon had no chance.

Thanks Big Tyme, you surely have some well thought out, articulate and accurate posts. Unfortunately, you will soon learn that they will mostly fall upon deaf ears around here. The problems is that many posters feel that the MG signing will preclude the Bears from signing the next "elite" QB at #3 and now despise his very existence. Some of the seemingly more knowledgeable posters have even said that he played very bad at TB and look at his record there. Obviously, both arguments are comical if not ludicrous. Please keep on posting though, its nice to read the occasional coherent thought around here.

 

[iueyedoc]

IMO Smith made the right decision.

Smith's been to a couple SB's. He went to a SB here without a Qb Smith is a winner and remains the last HC to have a winning record here......so his decision-making shouldn't be questioned, IMO. You are right, he didn't a
"franchise Qb" on Tampa ( until Winston)

Thats's some funny shit.

The person who shafted and "in a bad spot" in Tampa was Smith ( the TB ownership was "Sybil") . He had that team on a upswing when he left. Smith never had a Qb here in Chicago. We know this.....Winston is the 1st real Qb for Smith. Point is we made it to the SB with Smith as HC. Currently, Smith is the best HC this team has had and Smith remains a winning HC, If he were a loser, we'd be having a different discussion.


If Glennon had been impressive then Greg Schiano was still have his job. Right? Good Qb's help to lift bad teams.

Lovie Smith has won 11 of the last 44 games he has coached in pro and college football, he has won one 1 playoff/bowl game in the last 9 years as a head coach. Give it up, he was average at one point, but he isn't even that anymore. He's just bad. Let it go.

 

[iueyedoc]

Every team? How about this one? True we have #3 overall instead of #1 so it's not completely apples to apples, but it sure looks like we're passing up that top QB prospect for the same guy you said wasn't going to prevent TB from taking a QB.

If there is a guy that Pace thinks is worth #3 Pace will absolutely take him. Thing is some don't even think there is a 1st round worthy QB. Do you think that if Mariota, Wentz or Winston were in this draft that Pace would pass on them?


The Bears being the Bears seem to have bottomed out in a QB poor draft year. It just seems they are destine to languish in QB purgatory

 

[dabears70]

I would think that Pace feels the same way.

How many people on here are licking their chops for him to have a bad start to the season though? I think i can name about 7-10 and i already expect it but a slow start wouldn't shock me with how little he's played the last few years. I think he's gonna be a average to good QB and will win some games for us and might even shock a few people. We still need to see what Pace does in the draft and see if he adds a legit player on offense for him or not which i could see at WR or TE and might even shock everyone with a early pick at RB (C.McCaffrey please).