Nagy and his RPO need to go

[Broc]

I'd love to hear Nagy defend his ridiculous pass first RPO scheme and overall offensive philosophy here.

You have the worst OL in the league and a QB that struggles to read the field and make correct decisions... Please explain yourself Matt.

• You don't run the ball so the RPO fakes are pointless and fool nobody.
• The rare times you do run the ball you run the same inside trap play that your players haven't blocked correctly all year or gimmick reverses that never work or worse yet get fumbled.
• The constant WR screens are worthless.
• Your team can't run a successful RB screen to save their lives.
• And for all your supposed offensive "genius" your route concepts rarely produce open WRs. Almost every throw is a tough contested catch into a tight window with zero margin for error. Maybe once a game you'll see a WR wide open where as our opponents WRs are constantly wide open without a defender within 10 yards of them converting easy catch after easy catch. We see more routes concepts with multiple WRs close enough to hold hands than we do come wide open.

The obvious schematic failures aside your decision making is even more questionable.

How many weeks do you need to watch your offense not work before accepting the reality that you do not have the players to run what you want to run the way you want to run it? Asking for a friend because clearly 16 weeks wasn't enough...

It's even crazier when you consider how functional the offense looks whenever they go vanilla I-formation with a fullback despite all the roster limitations . Once again the one drive they used it yesterday to start the 3rd quarter they marched right down the field and score their only TD of the day.

If there's one thing Nagy had proved this season it's that he has no business running an NFL offense next year. If he wants to just be the HC and MC of club dub and just focus purely on managing the overall game and players that's fine but if he can't put this ego aside and refuses to step back from the offense he needs to go. Turn it over to Pagano and bring in an OC that doesn't have his head up his ass.

And for all the meatballs that will inevitably come in whining about Trubisky save your breath. If you think a different QB is somehow going to fix all the problems with Nagy, his scheme, decision making, and overall offensive philosophy you're a fucking moron.

 

[dennehy]

Nagy will have to put down his ego, adapt, or perish. Hopefully Pace hires a normal OC who can balance Nagy's craziness. Look at how Minny did this year installing a Kubiak style scheme and limiting what Cousins had to do. That'd what the Bears should do imo, or something like it.

 

[WindyCity]

His reverting to what did not work earlier in the system was frustrating.

 

[bearmick]

You have the worst OL in the league

LOL no they don't.

 

[Nail Polish]

LOL no they don't.

I think that the Minnesota 2nd string defense would differ with you

 

[elbandido]

I'd love to hear Nagy defend his ridiculous pass first RPO scheme and overall offensive philosophy here.

You have the worst OL in the league and a QB that struggles to read the field and make correct decisions... Please explain yourself Matt.

• You don't run the ball so the RPO fakes are pointless and fool nobody.
• The rare times you do run the ball you run the same inside trap play that your players haven't blocked correctly all year or gimmick reverses that never work or worse yet get fumbled.
• The constant WR screens are worthless.
• Your team can't run a successful RB screen to save their lives.
• And for all your supposed offensive "genius" your route concepts rarely produce open WRs. Almost every throw is a tough contested catch into a tight window with zero margin for error. Maybe once a game you'll see a WR wide open where as our opponents WRs are constantly wide open without a defender within 10 yards of them converting easy catch after easy catch. We see more routes concepts with multiple WRs close enough to hold hands than we do come wide open.

The obvious schematic failures aside your decision making is even more questionable.

How many weeks do you need to watch your offense not work before accepting the reality that you do not have the players to run what you want to run the way you want to run it? Asking for a friend because clearly 16 weeks wasn't enough...

It's even crazier when you consider how functional the offense looks whenever they go vanilla I-formation with a fullback despite all the roster limitations . Once again the one drive they used it yesterday to start the 3rd quarter they marched right down the field and score their only TD of the day.

If there's one thing Nagy had proved this season it's that he has no business running an NFL offense next year. If he wants to just be the HC and MC of club dub and just focus purely on managing the overall game and players that's fine but if he can't put this ego aside and refuses to step back from the offense he needs to go. Turn it over to Pagano and bring in an OC that doesn't have his head up his ass.

And for all the meatballs that will inevitably come in whining about Trubisky save your breath. If you think a different QB is somehow going to fix all the problems with Nagy, his scheme, decision making, and overall offensive philosophy you're a fucking moron.

Question : could there be a contract clause giving Nagy the O play calling? Why do we get an unproven college OC if not then? My guess is that no proven OC will accept working here if that's the case.

 

[HearshotKDS]

Completely agree that the RPO isn't working for the current personnel on Offense. Even if it did fit the group, I think Nagy uses it too much in his "ideal" offense, towards the beginning of the season this almost seemed like the "base" of his offense. It's probably best used as a change of pace 4-5 times a game, not 10 or more times.

But a defense of it is that it should work. RPOs can be a great way to let your athletic QB utilize his legs to make big plays. BAL uses it (sparingly, like mentioned above) and Lamar kills with it. Nagy's RPO isn't a complex read: QB decides pre-snap if he can do a quick pass, or if the "pass" look isn't there then it's just a quick decision 1 player post snap read on whether to keep or hand-off. Unfortunately, Mitch is bad at post-snap reads, and the OL is bad to the point where they can't execute with the ambiguity of where the ball is going to go. Both of these are glaring flaws on the part of Mitch and the OL, but at some point if you keep using a bucket that you know has a hole in it, shame on you for whining about leaks. So team is too bad or too stupid to execute the RPO, then move on to something else that they can do.

 

[Mdbearz]

I think the RPO may have actually contributed to the OL woes. Can you imagine if you are an O-lineman and you do not know if the QB is going to hand off the ball or throw it? They are two completely different techniques, I could not agree more that RPO was not a good fit for this team.

I know that the Vikings had in Backups but the success that the run game had should be an indicator to Nagy on how to play to the strengths of both his O-line and RBs.

I think our O-line could be decent again if they know what the hell the assignment is when they go to the line. Part of that is scheme and part of that is coaching.

Harry needs to go and Nagy needs to scheme so that everyone knows what is going to happen when the ball is snapped.

 

[Broc]

LOL no they don't.

You must not be actually watching the games or tape because they are comically bad across the board.

Leno plays softer than baby shit and gets beat like a drum on virtually every snap. Daniels is completely lost and also plays soft as fuck. Our "best" player Whitehair wouldn't start on another team. We legit don't have a RG - Long is washed up, Coward is a whiff machine, and Larson is a back up. And RT isn't any better as both Massie and Lucas are backup quality players.

IMO both 2 round picks should be used to upgrade the OL.

 

[Nail Polish]

Why do we need RPO's when we have all those WR screens to help the team...lol

 

[NCChiFan]

You must not be actually watching the games or tape because they are comically bad across the board.

Leno plays softer than baby shit and gets beat like a drum on virtually every snap. Daniels is completely lost and also plays soft as fuck. Our "best" player Whitehair wouldn't start on another team. We legit don't have a RG - Long is washed up, Coward is a whiff machine, and Larson is a back up. And RT isn't any better as both Massie and Lucas are backup quality players.

IMO both 2 round picks should be used to upgrade the OL.

This is where it needs to start. You can't evaluate much else, RB's, QB's even Wr play (drops excluded) with a porous O line. Watch a bit of the "Tape never lies" and you can witness in slow motion the pathetic O line play that blows up about every O play the offense attempts to run. And in fairness, the few plays that succeed, the O line plays all pro, then back to the dismal ridiculous amateur hour. O line coach needs to be canned.

 

[Midway Fields]

Nagy will have to put down his ego, adapt, or perish. Hopefully Pace hires a normal OC who can balance Nagy's craziness. Look at how Minny did this year installing a Kubiak style scheme and limiting what Cousins had to do. That'd what the Bears should do imo, or something like it.

Pat Shurmur is available ?

 

[Nail Polish]

This is where it needs to start. You can't evaluate much else, RB's, QB's even Wr play (drops excluded) with a porous O line. Watch a bit of the "Tape never lies" and you can witness in slow motion the pathetic O line play that blows up about every O play the offense attempts to run. And in fairness, the few plays that succeed, the O line plays all pro, then back to the dismal ridiculous amateur hour. O line coach needs to be canned.

We have guys here that think drafting another QB will fix all the Bears woes

 

[ChiKhan]

You realize he does RPOs because he has a QB with low football IQ? It let's Mitch play off his instincts and makes his decision making much simpler. It was working better last year when Mitch was using his legs more and until the Cowboys game Mitch looked scared to run. He would not be doing RPOs if let's say he had a veteran QB like Alex Smith from the get go. Mitchs legs haven't really been a factor for most of the year.

 

[elbandido]

Pat Shurmur is available ?

I'm afraid no proven OC will accept to work here if Nagy is calling the plays. That's why we have a college OC.

 

[Midway Fields]

LOL no they don't.

Lol it’s close.

 

[DaaBears]

This is where it needs to start. You can't evaluate much else, RB's, QB's even Wr play (drops excluded) with a porous O line. Watch a bit of the "Tape never lies" and you can witness in slow motion the pathetic O line play that blows up about every O play the offense attempts to run.

Yesterday really told the story. This line got destroyed by 2nd stringers across the board. What was odd, when they went to using a fullback, the running game was actually great. Yesterday there was 0 opportunity to throw the ball down the field, as within 2 seconds someone was running full blast at Trubisky with no blocker anywhere in sight.

Another thing that the announcers showed very clearly yesterday, is the inability and/or lack of desire for ANY of the wide receivers to block whatsoever. The Bears clearly were DOMINATED at the line of scrimmage on offense yesterday by all backups.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Every year.... we need to switch to the 4-3. (3-4 if running a 4-3 already). This year it’s “we need to ditch the RPO’s.” Every fucking year it’s bitch about the scheme. It gets tiring.... The only scheme that makes you guys happy is dreaming about the perfect one they’ll run next year.

 

[Midway Fields]

I'm afraid no proven OC will accept to work here if Nagy is calling the plays. That's why we have a college OC.

That’s a good point.

 

[Midway Fields]

This is where it needs to start. You can't evaluate much else, RB's, QB's even Wr play (drops excluded) with a porous O line. Watch a bit of the "Tape never lies" and you can witness in slow motion the pathetic O line play that blows up about every O play the offense attempts to run. And in fairness, the few plays that succeed, the O line plays all pro, then back to the dismal ridiculous amateur hour. O line coach needs to be canned.

Anyone who didn’t witness it live yesterday is just oblivious.

Charles Leno being allowed to start 16 games is a travesty.