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I'd take CJ and Fitz over Moss and TO fairly easily, but those two certainly round out the top five.
Fairly easily? You have to be 30 yr or under to make the statement. Just take a look at career stats and keep in mind T.O. and Moss played before half the QBs in the league were throwing for 4000 yards.
 

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Fairly easily? You have to be 30 yr or under to make the statement. Just take a look at career stats and keep in mind T.O. and Moss played before half the QBs in the league were throwing for 4000 yards.
Your rewarding longevity over talent.
Did DC fear CJ, Moss, or T.O more?
 

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Fairly easily? You have to be 30 yr or under to make the statement. Just take a look at career stats and keep in mind T.O. and Moss played before half the QBs in the league were throwing for 4000 yards.
LOL, no. I've seen them all and realize that CJ and Fitz put up gawdy numbers while having relatively little around them. Moss and T.O. routinely quit on their teams and forced trades when they were in situations CJ and Fitz put up with their entire careers.
 

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Fairly easily? You have to be 30 yr or under to make the statement. Just take a look at career stats and keep in mind T.O. and Moss played before half the QBs in the league were throwing for 4000 yards.
Owens and Moss played 218-219 games to Calvin's 135.
 

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Fear factor lol? I’d say 1) Moss 2) Megatron 3) TO.

Moss might have feared DC’s more than any player in nfl history.
Debatable. CJ never had any years were he quit on the team. Moss did. Moss had more straight line speed, CJ was better at 50-50 balls and ran better routes.
 

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LOL, no. I've seen them all and realize that CJ and Fitz put up gawdy numbers while having relatively little around them. Moss and T.O. routinely quit on their teams and forced trades when they were in situations CJ and Fitz put up with their entire careers.
I’d argue what C.J. did was worse. Dude straight up admits he quit in his prime because his team sucked. How great are you when that’s your approach? Not top 3 :)
 

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Debatable. CJ never had any years were he quit on the team. Moss did. Moss had more straight line speed, CJ was better at 50-50 balls and ran better routes.
Better at 50/50 balls?!?

Kindly re-familiarize yourself with Randy Moss.

Here’s 9 minutes worth of 40 yard touchdowns lol.

 

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I’d argue what C.J. did was worse. Dude straight up admits he quit in his prime because his team sucked. How great are you when that’s your approach? Not top 3 :)
He never straight gave up on the field and became a malcontent like Moss and T.O. did. Fitz and CJ were/are better route runners than Moss and T.O., which is why I'm distinguishing them above those two. If we were talking sheer talent, Randy Moss is number one.
 

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Better at 50/50 balls?!?

Kindly re-familiarize yourself with Randy Moss.

Here’s 9 minutes worth of 40 yard touchdowns lol.

Kindly take the opinion of someone that played with both................


Start at the 4:24 mark

game-set-match
 

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He never straight gave up on the field and became a malcontent like Moss and T.O. did. Fitz and CJ were/are better route runners than Moss and T.O., which is why I'm distinguishing them above those two. If we were talking sheer talent, Randy Moss is number one.
Calvin was a complete player, right down to blocking.
 

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Calvin was a complete player, right down to blocking.
When we're talking about the best to ever play the game, they all pretty much are. Moss was such an athletic freak that if he had the drive of Rice or T.O., he'd very easily be the best WR to play the game.
 

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When we're talking about the best to ever play the game, they all pretty much are. Moss was such an athletic freak that if he had the drive of Rice or T.O., he'd very easily be the best WR to play the game.
Moss was great for sure, but when talking about Calvin vs Moss, you have to take everything into consideration. Yeah Moss has some great highlight tape, but what is more telling is the tape of him when the play wasn't designed to go his way. Compare that to the tape of CJ when the play wasn't designed to go his way. There really is no comparison.
 

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Moss was great for sure, but when talking about Calvin vs Moss, you have to take everything into consideration. Yeah Moss has some great highlight tape, but what is more telling is the tape of him when the play wasn't designed to go his way. Compare that to the tape of CJ when the play wasn't designed to go his way. There really is no comparison.
I know, and T.O. used to improvise on his routes as well. That's part of the reason I got Fitz and CJ ahead of both of them.
 

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When we're talking about the best to ever play the game, they all pretty much are. Moss was such an athletic freak that if he had the drive of Rice or T.O., he'd very easily be the best WR to play the game.
I was just gonna say this. If Moss had the work ethic of say, Khalil Mack, I think he woulda been hands down the greatest receiver to ever play the game.
 



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